I thought i would start a test for the ladies

found a few points in my account and wondered what i should do with them. ultimately, i came to the conclusion that i would like to observe other men reacting (or not, as the case may be) to pheros worn by women. i’m not a scientist nor a researcher and i’ve never written a research paper before but i thought it would be fun to start a female oriented thread.

If you didn’t know already, i live in Thailand. Famous for decades as the adult R&R capital of the world, or , to put it quite bluntly, B,B&B and no that doesn’t stand for bed and breakfast but bars,bitches and beaches.

if you are easily offended, devoutly religious (any denomonation will do), or have strong opinions about the immorality of prostitution, read no further. ***anyone is welcome to comment as this “test” will continue as long as necessary to prove/disprove my assumption that in a semi controlled environment, average looking women using pheromone products (bar girls in this case) working in a poorly located bar, will land as many customers as average looking girls (without pheros) working a bar in a good location and possibly even as many customers as a “pretty” girl (without pheros) working in a well located bar.


how will i go about this?

to start, i am a fight fan. i enjoy watching trained professionals fight. here in thailand i have opportunities to do this on a regular basis as muay thai is as common here as somtam and thais will regularly host events featuring male and female fighters, although sometimes “trained” here means they know what muay thai is but probably haven’t practiced it much.

where i live, there is a regular saturday night fight night and i am a regular attendee. in order that you might understand the layout of the facilities, the people who work there and the customers in attendance i am going to begin by giving my best description of all of the above.

the event-

muay thai (alternating male and female fights) held outside in a traditional boxing ring surrounded by at least 10 “satellite” bars. i call them satellite bars because they are each there because of the boxing event, they are each individually owned and operated and well, because they look like a bunch of satellites orbiting the earth, or in this case, the ring.

between each bar and the ring there is space for a total of probably 500 stacking chairs brought out specifically for the occassion. on any average saturday night, they are full, as well as the few bar-stools at each bar.

the workers-

bar girls. plain and simple. as i said previously, spare me the righteous indignation, start your own new thread if you want but i don’t want it here, thank you. these are ladies who have found that schooling was too expensive for their families, working 7 days a week and 12 hours a day in a sweatshop factory to earn 3,000 baht per month (less than 100 US dollars) was not enough to care for their child(ren) or families, farm life was boring, they dream of a “rich” boyfriend from the west coming to take them away, or it can be all of the above or another reason entirely. each bar has on average 5-10 girls working. sometimes there are ladyboys in the mix, on occassion there are much older women working the bar who are not expecting customers for themselves but are there to do the dirty work behind the bar so that the better looking, younger women can be “butterflies”, working the crowd and generating the much needed baht to keep the wheel greased.

these women are here for you, plain and simple.

the customers-

men and women. some children. probably 80% tourists on holiday and the remainder are expats like me looking for some entertainment and a cold beer.

The test-

i’ve chosen the most poorly located bar for this test. poorly located here means that if you sit on a bar stool at this bar, you can see the ring but not the fighters. it also means that this bar is located closest to the only toilet facility available for all of the bars. i believe this is ideal for this test for several reasons, first, a well located bar with good views of the ring will always have customers. second, the close proximity to the toilets (15 yards) means that all customers (and workers) must pass this bar in order to use the facilities. as the walking path to get into the toilets is narrow, each girl with a phero application will have an excellent opportunity to diffuse those pheros into the walkway and with enough smiling and crafty thai girl training, hook the customer into a bar stool and possibly more.

i’ve also chosen this bar because it is run by a thai woman friend of mine. friend in the sense that long ago, i had a business that served many farang and she saw this and opened up a thai food stall immediately adjacent to me. naturally we talked a lot. she was newly pregnant by her thai husband at the time, we became friends and i was even at the hospital when her baby was born. i closed that business over a year ago to take advantage of a more lucrative position in another part of the city and she closed her food stall immediately after i did, renting this bar with money she had saved and recruiting her friends and even family from her village to work in it. in addition, as her bar is what i describe as poorly located and with only average looking girls working, it correspondingly has fewer customers than the other bars. i want to see if pheros can help remedy the situation.

she has no idea what pheromones are, but when i told her that i would like to do this test using her bar and her staff, she was obviously very enthusiastic as the prospect of getting more customers paying for drinks for themselves and the girls, paying bar fines to take girls home and ultimately paying a girl for her company means good business.

how i intend to conduct this test and what products i will be using-

her bar has, on average, 6 women working on a night like this. using a scale of 1-10 (1 being butt ugly/old/both and 10 being a stunner), she has no women working that i would rate higher than 7 and a solid 5 would be par for the course here.

for tonights test i will be using only Instant Sexiness, i have just used up my points ordering more Instant Sexiness, MX135 and TAA @ 30mcg but they did not arrive in time for tonight. i have already explained to the bar owner what i intend to do, the girls are all very excited, and weather permitting (storming at the moment but only 10 am here saturday morning now so another 12 hours before fights start), it will kick off tonight with me randomly selecting 3 of the ladies to receive a phero spray, the other three ladies will be left to their own devices but can certainly be used for future tests. as i only have Instant Sexiness in my possession at the moment, and 6 girls working at the bar, i believe i should start this test by selecting 3 of them randomly and giving 1 girl 1 full spray, 1 girl would receive 2 full sprays and the third lucky girl will get 3 full sprays.

if any of you ladies have any comments to make about number of sprays or where you have found them to be most effective, by all means add your input. until then, i will use the traditional pulse points, hair, and probably one full shot right between the chesticles to keep men focused. :smiley:

after the application, i will move to the adjacent bar and remain an observer for the rest of the night. this is because i do not want other men to see me at the bar simply because they might believe that i am after one or more of the girls working there and that may negatively affect their decision to sit there, and also i will sit at the adjacent bar because the girls there are better looking. lol.

in the future, i am happy to read suggestions for testing methods, control groups, products to test etc so please add your comments and if i get enough interest out of this, and have enough points in my account, i will obtain additional female pheros (probably will not test putatives here, only products in the womens line or MX series with enough feedback) to be used on following weekends.

Cool! I can’t wait to read your results!

I think a control group is a good idea

I have to say that although I find the idea of sex tourism pretty abhorrent, I am interested to see what results you come up with.

One suggestion: I think you need to account for possible changes in body language and behavior by using a placebo. (The girls who receive the pheromone sprays might feel and act more confident/sexy and thus get more customers. You wouldn’t be able to say whether the change was attributable to the pheros or their behavior.) So give all the girls a spray of something and don’t tell them who actually got the goods.

good idea, i had considered something similar previously but had no idea what to spray that would be neutral. i suppose i can fill an empty To Go bottle with water lol.

saturday night was rained out btw. it is rainy season here right now and still pouring down. every day is hit or miss.

on the bright side, i will (or should have) my newest order with ISexi, MX 135, TAA@30mcg for the next event.

received my most recent order yesterday, including To Go bottles of Instant Sexiness and MX 135 for this test. weather permitting, i will be running the first test tomorrow night.

hey Josef,

If I were you I would get ahold of some cheap perfume from the dollar store to spray on all of the women. Otherwise they might figure out who actually has the pheros (because only three of them would smell like anything).

Good luck with your test!

hi there, we appear to be on the same wavelength as i had just planned on spending my upcoming lunch break at the perfume store with that in mind. fortunately, thailand is full of knock off perfumes, black market crap in a nice bottle that i can get insanely cheap and i had intended to spray that on all of the ladies, regardless of whether they get the -mones or not.

many thai ladies wear perfumes similar in nature and strong scent to what american teenage girls would wear. very strong and sometimes obnoxious lol. it will cover nicely though and won’t set me back more than 100 baht for enough to do a month or so of testing.

aaargh, just realizing that today through sunday marks the official cremation ceremony for a now deceased princess.

this means no alcohol sales for the next few days as well as no public entertainment etc.

also means no boxing on saturday night. i’ll see if i can come up with another way to test these before next saturday…

skies are clear and certainly seems to be a go for tonight. i have 2 extra girlfriends coming with me tonight that are in on it, they will be wandering around the stadium so they won’t be confused with bar girls and one will be wearing Instant Sexiness, the other MX135. there are 6 girls at the bar that know what is going to happen in a couple of hours so i have the aforementioned lady pheros and have also put some super cheap perfume that some of them are so crazy about into an extra to go bottle with no phero content.

all told, 8 different ladies will be wearing something, pheros or not and i will give a complete rundown tomorrow if i’m not too hungover.

I too, look forward to the results.

ok, first test run under my belt and i’ve learned quite a bit i think from the experience. enough at least to warrant several more under the same and other circumstances.

first off, only 4 women were used for this first test since a few of the others were feeling pretty lazy saturday night and didn’t show up until well after i did. weather conditions were less than perfect in spite of the lack of rain. we were on the tail end of a tropical storm so there were pretty significant winds working against us and as it is an outdoor venue, obviously it would be much harder for anyone to detect and isolate the phero wearers in this large a setting.

in addition to the wind, i made a mistake with application points, or at least i didn’t take into consideration a womans perogative to change her mind about hair styles and after spraying either phero product on two of the ladies neck pulse points, they promptly proceeded to let their loooong hair down , completely hiding the pheros.

also, while i speak enough thai to get my point across, the finer details and phrases are still to be learned so getting the point across about behavioral changes or modifications necessary to pull off the right persona were a bit lacking. one of my girlfriends will accompany me on the next test run for this purpose.

as for the test,

4 women wore pheros, two of them wearing Instant Sexiness and two others wearing MX135. one girl wearing IS on neck pulse points, the other IS girl wearing one spray to upper chest and one spray shared between wrists. the other two ladies repeated the same application procedure with MX135.

(on a side note, one of the girls barely understood the nature of the perfume and asked me to only spray her fingertip!)

applications done, i moved to the next bar over and ordered a beer with my back to the fights that were about to begin, just so i could focus on watching the bar with the phero girls.

fights started at 11pm and if you read the original post, you might guess that this is the time when the bar with the phero girls would be basically empty as you cannot watch the fights from the bar stools but this wasn’t the case this time. apart from 2 of the 15 or so bar stools, each other seat was occupied within 30-45 minutes of the phero application.

since i don’t have attendance numbers and can only state that it looked like a pretty good crowd (all temporary seats in front of the ring were full), it is obviously very difficult to make a blanket statement that the seats at my friends bar were full because of the phero spray, so we’ll just have to repeat this procedure next saturday and on and on to be able to make any definitive statements.

so the bar was full for the first hour after the fights started, meaning more drinks were being purchased (one of my secondary assumptions for conducting this test) but, i really need to have a chat with the girls about behavior as one girl in particular (the one that wanted a spray only to her fingertip) must have thought it was magic as she just sat behind (not outside) the bar and i didn’t see her smile for any of the two to three hours i was watching.

in the end, while two of the girls stayed behind the bar the entire time i was lucky in that the two that sat outside the bar were split between IS and MX135. i don’t know yet whether any of the girls wearing pheros were bar-fined that night or not as i left just before 2am but can say with certainty that it was an above average low season night for the cash register.

i have decided to add an additional series of these tests to be conducted inside the largest shopping mall/food court area and will be continuing the fight night tests next saturday, this time with a bit more of a discussion about attitude/behavior and a change in application points.

oh, also, i had intended for at least two more girls to be a part of the test and they would have gotten a “placebo” perfume spray but they were late arrivals and i wanted to have at least two girls wearing each of the two phero products i had.

if anyone would like to suggest another ladies phero product to try, i’m all ears and will be sending in another order this week (due to shipping times it won’t be here for next saturdays test but can be included on the following saturday).

ok, i saw that there is a special discount meaning free international shipping (is Androtics the best or what?) until Nov 30 so i used up my points and got the women’s p74 test pack, MX235 and MX136 “Liquid Sunshine” to add to and continue these tests.

i’m having as much fun recruiting ladies to try these out as i am testing out my own haha.

ok didn’t intend to abandon this thread for so long. my new kiddo has had most of my attention for the last several weeks but i have a couple different things/situations/tests to add…

i live on the beach. most days you can find some thai ladies have set up shop on the beach offering massages for 200 baht or so. anyway, i live on a very private and somewhat remote beach so it is very unusual to find a massage lady there.

anyway, my baby’s momma just had a friend visiting from way up north and she happens to be a massage expert who has worked in japan and hong kong so i thought, what the hell let’s put the massage lady and her friend (both 40+) on the beach with only one getting a phero treatment and see what happens…

first test, massage expert “no pheros”, her friend knows massage but not expert MX135, 3 sprays neck/chest.

along comes an older german tourist and both ladies being outgoing pounce on the opportunity and after a couple minutes of chit chat (ladies speak no german and very little english, german man speaks no thai and very little english) he chooses the massage expert (younger and perhaps more attractive but alas phero-less) for a one hour oil massage on the beach.

one hour later (friend with pheros had stayed near them to chat so no one was lonely) german tourist is a happy camper and departs after asking how to contact them for a massage the next day.

however, he didn’t wait till the next day to contact them. very soon after massage was finished, he returned to the beach asking specifically for friend MX135 the next day (remember, MX135 friend is not a trained masseuse).

after arranging a time for the following day and separating again, it is only a matter of 2 or 3 hours before he is back AGAIN, looking for friend with MX135 but not finding her, asking how to call her, where she lives etc. each of the girls is having a blast laughing about the situation now because they were very skeptical of the power of pheromones up to this point.

following day, she re-applies MX135 (3 sprays, this time spraying inside elbows and neck) does the one hour massage on the beach and arranges for a time the next day which ultimately becomes the next day and next day and next day.

he has now had a massage from the same un-trained lady wearing MX135 for the last 4 or 5 days. i think it is important to point out that the trained masseuse is the younger and more attractive of the two.

On to the next test scenario…

Having had a bit of phero success on the beach and remembering what this thread was about to begin with, i ask both of these ladies if they would like to each put a different phero product to the test against the younger ladies at the bar on fight night and they happily agreed to the test.

pro-massage lady wears 3 sprays of Liquid Sunshine (1 spray to each side of head and 1 spray to upper chest)

her friend wears 3 sprays of Instant Sexiness in the same locations

it’s a crowded night at the fights as the peak tourist season has begun so we take up different locations at the bar with the two of them sitting on one side of the octagonal bar and i sit across from them where i can appear to be watching the fights but really just keeping an eye on the customers.

there are 6 ladies working at the bar on this night, all younger and most would be considered more attractive than the two ladies that are wearing pheros so i consider this to be a fair fight haha.

if you read back through my OP, i chose this bar not just because the owners were friends of mine from years back but because the bar is poorly located and so from my perspective, a good choice to determine phero effectiveness.

during this test, the phero ladies took up positions on bar stools and did not partake in the standard bar-girl antics of “Halloooooooo’ing” and “Welcooooome” each farang man that would pass by but rather sat on their stools and let the phero-less girls try to bring in the customers.

they failed. miserably. if that sounds harsh, well, it’s just a matter of fact that most farang men will walk right past those gimmicks looking for either a better seat, a more attractive lady or both.

in the 4 hours worth of fights that we sat at the bar, the only customers apart from myself the entire night took up places next to one of the two phero wearing ladies, buying them drinks for the duration of the evening while the phero-less youngsters chased down potential customers left and right failing to snag a single one all night.

in fact, in the two days following the fights, the trained massage lady has received no less than 6 phone calls from the man she spent the entire evening talking to, and even went out to dinner with him last night as well as making plans for seeing him today after work.

the more i think about it, the more i like the original idea for this thread for testing pheros, a poorly located bar for one and very average looking ladies (and in some cases, older average looking ladies) second.

ah, almost forgot, the owner of the next bar over from the testing site saw what was going on and came over several times to comment on it, asking the owner of the test site if these new ladies were working for her or not etc. didn’t let her in on the secret, yet.

thank you to whomever just added a bunch of rep, you didn’t leave your name.

i just did a bit of calculating to figure out how well these thai ladies benefited from the phero experience so i thought i would add it here. please remember that an average thai lady makes between 3,000 and 5,000 baht per month unless she takes a “position” in the adult industry.

1 hour massage = 200 baht.

MX135 lady has had at least 4 one hour massages with the german tourist in as many days. she also maintains a regular day job so all of these massage side jobs are extra income and in this case, they are all directly attributable to phero use, so she has earned an additional 800 baht minimum this week alone from massage, which as i mentioned previously is not something she is trained to do and is not her regular work.

at the bar, both ladies benefited from phero use. i just got off of the phone with them to inquire as to the number of drinks each received (and as an extension, the kick back from the bar as all ladies receive a tip from the bar for each drink a man purchases for them) and while the exact count cannot be remembered, each lady over the four hours received a minimum of 4 drinks. the drinks for ladies here are 150 baht so 600 baht each for drinks (approx 100 baht “tip”).

in addition, the pro-masseuse Liquid Sunshine lady as i mentioned in the previous post was invited out to dinner last night so she was obviously treated to something much more than a 35 baht plate of somtam but the value of dinner and drinks is unknown. what is known is that when i talked to her this morning, he had asked to spend this evening with her so the residuals are coming in as quickly as these ladies can scoop them up.

i realize that this may not seem like much at all to a woman in the western world, however, if you shared floor space in a small un-airconditioned room with 5 other ladies all working 12 hours a day to make ends meet and surviving on less than the equivalent of 100 US dollars per month, i’d imagine that it is something equivalent to winning the lottery.

Josef,

Can you give us a brief synopsis of what you have found with the pheromone mixes you have tested so far. Journals are great, but a short summary would be very welcome at this point rather than trying to wade through all the journals for information. Do you find the mixes play as advertised? Did you find anything surprising or unexpected?

Thanks,

Diane

hi diane,

just stopped in to check emails on my way to the store, have some more shopping to do for ma bebe’s first xmas tomorrow. i will be back in the next day or so to try and summarize the results so far as well as provide a better breakdown in the future. i do have plans for quite a few more of these as i just got the ladies p74 test pack a couple weeks ago and i’ll do the best i can with each one. it can be a bit of a challenge as i’m not wearing them, and usually not privvy to the conversations that are going on, only observing from a distance but i’ll do the best i can.

merry christmas, one and all!

I love this thread!!

What would be interesting if the opportunity arises -

To change back and forth which lady is wearing the pheros and see if a man will follow the pheros from one lady to the other and back.

Will he choose a favorite or will he keep changing his mind as the pheros are worn by a different lady?

hey Warren, interesting idea. while i haven’t had the opportunity or time yet to try that specifically, i did notice that in the beach massage scenario i mentioned above that the german man chose the unqualified (as much as any thai lady can be “unqualified” for massage purposes haha) and older lady who was wearing pheros , over the highly qualified younger lady who was phero-less, after already receiving an excellent massage from the real deal.

i think there will be some difficulties with the “follow the phero” test in that western men, for whatever reason, can’t seem to just enjoy physical contact without bonding. they always seem to get emotional over sex and you wouldn’t believe the number of times that i’ve seen younger men who, in a moment of complete and total inebriation, take a complete dog out of the bar/club yet even after waking up and sobering up the next day, they again choose to go with that same woman and usually the justification is “familiarity”.

ok, i get familiar with loads of women but i sure ain’t getting too familiar with any ugly ones a second time.

as for the summary you requested diane, i think it will be too difficult to summarize the past events due to several factors, first, i stated in my original post that i would be applying the pheros to the ladies then taking a seat at the next bar over to observe. given the distance, the language barrier, and the thai ladies complete phero innocence and inability to decipher subtleties and relay them back to me, it would be a difficult undertaking.

however, i understand there is a need for summaries as much as journals and will be doing everything possible in future tests to be able to do both. up to this point, i believe i only used 3 products, Instant Sexiness, MX135 and MX136 and on each occassion, as noted in the previous posts, all three products were hitting on all cylinders.

one interesting direct quote i overheard at a club, in one of those moments where the music is so loud you are literally shouting into a girls ear in a language she barely understands, only to have the DJ stop at the worst possible moment, “I DON’T KNOW WHY I LIKE YOU BUT I LIKE YOU”

the reason this was so funny to me is not so much the perfect timing of the DJ but the fact that the person announcing this to the entire club was approx 25 years old, and shouting this to a 50+ pleasantly plump thai lady who happened to be wearing Instant Sexiness.

since the previous tests were only observations from the next bar over, i will do the next tests but stay put at the same bar so that i can overhear comments and be able to place those comments with the lady wearing each different phero product.