Testing pheromones, singles nightlife setting

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I’d like to post my experiences testing pheromones in a nightlife setting.

I am a single white male, 33, athletic, 5’9", dark hair, decent looks, just listing these things for the sake of completeness. I am not Brad Pitt but there is nothing about me that repels women either. If anything looks will usually work slightly in my favor.

I have logistics in place (car, house, etc) so no handicap there either. Basically let’s say I’m an average guy and a perfect test subject.

I played with pheromones a few years ago but without any results. Last night I started testing again. I used a -nol and a -none product and covered, and went out. The products will remain nameless because I bought them from another (reputable) site. But they are quality products that contain -nol and -none.

I know that when people first start wearing pheromones, they start seeing things because they’re looking for them, and everything becomes a hit. I try to keep my experiments as objective as possible.

I can recognize almost any effect that is out of the ordinary, even if it’s just a subtle increase in interest, or an overt advance or comment, or even an unusual text message after parting ways.

I went to a couple of venues last night but did not notice any effect. I know how much and how to apply so it’s not the dreaded OD.

I will use again tonight and report.

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Second night testing, used -nol and -none and a cover. Interacted with several people, nothing out of the ordinary at all.

Maybe there is too much olfactory noise at bars and clubs for this stuff to work? Maybe pheromones require very close quarters for them to have any effect at all, such as being in bed with someone or at least in a normal indoor setting?

Then again, for this to be true, it would mean that pheromones had no role in human evolution before the advent of buildings.

I will do one more test tomorrow, but so far this doesn’t look promising.

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Which products sold here at Androtics would work well for making girls initiate conversation in a nightlife setting? I’d consider that as solid proof as there’s no way to misinterpret that.

Also, are part of all of the contents of said product known? I’d love to know exactly what is working for me and why. (-nol or -none or what)

Thanks.

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IO or a combination of Instant Shine/IH have worked very well for me.

No none in these of course, so OD is not a serious issue unless you use so much you end-up feeling drained after a few hours.

Yes, the primary components and proportions are well known, although both also contain steering molecules that are obviously not released for commercial reasons.

And for a none-based mix, Ammo and Instant Shine or IO is a good one. TUTH/IO can also be good in clubs and more determinedly sexual situations but it can be a bit much for more genteel situations and overt none can repel some at any dose.

However, if you just put these on and stand there like a wallflower or otherwise ignore people, most of the effect and any interest will soon wane, pheros really excel when you work them a bit, especially socials - With pheros, you ought to notice more and better conversation and more positive responses to opening than without.

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2x ammo + 2x IS for you!

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I applied -nol generously and went out tonight. I did not notice any effect. I got together with a group of friends. There was a girl in the group. I interacted with her, nothing I’d call a hit. There were several other girls around, no signals or any such thing. I interacted with a couple more girls, nothing.

I am beginning to believe that maybe mones work best one on one and in close quarters, like being with only a handful of people in a room, or driving in a car, or of course sleeping with someone, since there is so much proximity, and you already know the person well that you can definitely tell if you see something unusual.

Why do you guys think that Ammo/IS/IO would be better than using pure -nol and -none? What do those products have that makes them better? I am definitely open to trying them, but just want to know why they would work where -nol and -none failed.

EDIT: One other thing I keep seeing is that people over 30 or 35 need to apply more. This strikes me as patently false unless I am missing something. Testosterone level decline from peak by 0.3% a year on average. The testosterone level of a 30 year old really isn’t that much lower than a 20 year old’s. If we consider that pheromones are testosterone metabolites it seems puzzling that people over 30 would need double doses.

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You don’t want to name them but what form are the pheros you are using supplied in, how are you applying them, are they chemset or scented/standalone or designed for mixing/use with a cover - and are you? Also which doses and application points are you using?

The thing Ammo and other mixes have over single molecules is that they are steered/balanced.

In Ammo’s case it is balance - The none is offset by equal amounts of nol and rone - Which makes for a fuller and more well rounded social/sexual impression than any one used on its own. Adding IS/TAA to that brings more steering in a happy/feelgood direction, which complements the mix nicely whilst IO can further moderate the none (particularly around younger people) and more serious effects of rone, as well as adding more of its own properties. Depending on the sujects response, this can be both good and bad.

For IH and IO, although they are approx 70% of their primary nols (alphanol in IO, betanol in IH), the seconday nol and steering molecule again, fills-out their impression and helps direct the desired effect. Alphanol is a more bright/bubbly product whilst betanol is more serious and promotes deeper communication - mixing in different proortions can help give alphanol more substance and make betanol seem less serious.

All-in, they do seem to be easier to use/dose and get the desired results but that in no way means you can’t use single molecules on their own or to steer/alter the mix further - I’ve long ago found that adding just plain none to certain social mixes can direct them in a sexual direction more effectively than by adding another mix - but it can more easily backfire in the wrong situations.

Testestorone decline - This can be quite variable and 0.3% a year is only one end of a range. Other studies can place it much higher depending on a variety of health/influencing factors.

Also, subjects response to mones does change quite markedly as they age and ten years can see a huge difference in response to certain mones - Particualrly none and rone. Very generally, younger women (teens-early 20s) tend to be more responsive to lower doses of none and rone, whilst socials/nols play a far greater role. As they hit their mid 20s, this begins to change and by their late 20s/30s, the balance is generally tilted in favour of higher/more overt doses of none and rone but socials still play a role, but less so. Again, there is more than just physical factors involved - Social and societal influences are all part of the picture here. This is why there is a marked difference in mixes a guy my age can use compared to a younger guy, although you can get exceptions at any age but I would still tend to use a more social/socially engaging mix around younger people and a more status/sexually overt mix around older.

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Hey thanks for your reply. Right now I have Scent of Eros, NPA, and a couple of other products. I use the first two mainly. I am applying them correctly so the problem isn’t there. I’ll continue to try them before I move on to Ammo or TUTH or anything that might produce any results.

About the ideas you present concerning “steering” molecules, testosterone, younger women responding to less none, etc, if there are any supporting scientific studies I’d love to read them. Otherwise I tend not to put too much stock in anecdotal evidence.

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Another night testing! I go out almost every night.

I went to the gym, lifted weights, took a shower, applied a generous amount of -nol, and went out. This time I stayed in the same spot for a couple of hours. I wanted to make sure I created an unmistakable phero-cloud around me. There were girls in very close proximity. I did not notice any effects at all, sadly. I will continue testing until I run out, so there will be many more nights.

Also, I must mention that my favorite part of the forum is the Studies & Abstracts. There is an article that mentions how the pill interferes with a woman’s natural ability to sniff out the best possible mate and makes her choose men she normally wouldn’t.

I am pretty sure that all women I meet at bars and clubs are on it. This is wishful thinking, but is it a stretch to wonder if it may play a role? My ancestry is Mediterranean, and most women I meet are of Irish/English/Northern European decent (or whatever the average American stock is). This is an oversimplification, but genetically speaking, I am a good match because our MHC profile vary more, compared with a guy from the same stock.

From How women rate the sexiness/pleasantness of a man's body odor on genetic similarity

If we are to take this information at face value, it seems I would need to change my pheromone signature to the “wrong” kind, the kind that is very close to theirs, since their nose is under the influence of the pill!

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You might want to try throwing a little A314 in the mix. Not enough to promote some of the anti-social aspects, of it, but enough to promote the ‘higher social standing’ aspect of it. Clubs are so saturated with people that it behooves you to try to elevate your ‘social status’ to get attention. A lot of that is merely being socially in command of your environment and the people (both men and women) around you. When people are socially drawn to you, they will more likely be sexually drawn to you.

A314 mixed with socially oriented pheromones goes a very very long way in clubs. The A314 gives you the elevated social status, the social pheromones create an aura of positivity around you. My base club mix back in the day was A314, Instant Openness, and P74, and I had really great results with it.

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Isn’t A314 the stuff that comes in a blue bottle? Not to contradict you, but I remember from years ago that it was believed to contain so little pheromone content that it had no effect. I do remember it smelling pretty good. I did a bit of searching and see that there is now a newer version of it.

Gym update

I applied a bit of -none and covered and went to the gym. I had a good workout, otherwise nothing unusual. I did notice for the first time though a hint of a foul odor. I have never been able to smell -none, so it may be that I am finally starting to. I will give the bottle a sniff everyday and see if I can train my nose to smell it.

You are correct about clubs. For this reason I will try to test mones in other environments too. What I am looking for is passive hits, like an unusual comment, or someone being overly friendly, or talking or hanging around longer than they normally would. The bar is really low - I am willing to accept anything slightly unusual as a hit. From the reports I read, the most credible ones seem to come from people who test mones on people they already know, and with whom they interact for a while, since that allows them to notice unusual things

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A314 has gone through several revisions (so far the latest isn’t my favorite), but it is a very good product and has been a staple in my mixes for many years (since the days when a314 was androtics’ product a they didnt have their own store).

Androtics has been very tight lipped about the formulation of a314, but I don’t doubt that there’s a good amount of pheromones in there because it works. It isn’t a blatant sexual product like the androsterone products out there, and is definitely not as socially light-hearted as something like instant openness. But it’s extremely effective at building respect, elevating perceived social status/positioning, and social command…which are important attractive traits for a guy, and useful in just about any social setting. I think they’re particularly important traits in a club, where, ironically, women naturally have their social filters up against most guys. Standing out and being socially ‘above’ the average dude there goes a long way…to the extent that you’re still sociable of course

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I mentioned yesterday that I was going to sniff -none everyday to see if I can train myself to smell it. Interesting effect: I sniffed -none for several seconds before heading to the gym and had another great workout. This could all be in my head, but I am a pretty big skeptic.

The other effect is that it really elevates my mood and changes the way I feel. For lack of a better word, I feel more “alpha.” I feel more aggressive, more confident, in a “strong silent type” way. I would also describe it as a rather “dark” mood. Very hard to describe this, but it’s there. I felt a shift within me.

I will continue to try this and report, it could be placebo for all I know, but being the big skeptic I am, this effect is pretty unmistakable. Could -none make me more confident and at the same type create a sexual vibe? Interesting thought.

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Smelling -none before the gym once again resulted in a nice mood lift and good workout. I notice it also shifts my mood to an aggressive, confident, alpha feeling. I will continue to experiment with this but this effect alone seems worth using -none.

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I’ve said it many times, I’ll say it again. Pheromones don’t make other people do stuff. Pheromones send an information about the person that’s wearing/producing them. They can make the results of your actions better, if those actions are congruent with the pheromone signature. If they aren’t, people will see you as confusing or creepy. So you spray yourself heavily with androstenols and just stand for hours in one spot without saying a word to anyone? Go figure.

Pheromones are a tool. Like a hammer. If just buy a hammer and lay it on a pile of bricks, and go away, and come back few days later, will the house be built? Would you take the hammer back to the shop to complain that it’s not working?

Androstenols promote/suggest approachability. If your pheromone signature send this kind of signal, but you just stand still (as you said, to produce an unmistakable pheromone cloud) in one spot, probably quite tense (since anticipating some sort of spectacular results that you really want to happen but don’t quite believe they would), well…
You should also remember, by cultural patterns, women don’t initiate conversations nearly as often as men in public places. Even if they feel attracted. The true result is in their heads. You send a signal that they receive subconsciously. The fact that they don’t act on it doesn’t mean there isn’t any. But if you actually did something for a change, the outcome would most probably be much better than if you did the same thing without pheromones.

I suggest, do another two tests. Go out without any pheromones. Talk to women. Like, five of them. Ask a question, introduce yourself, whatever. See what the reactions are.
Then another night, go out wearing pheromones. Like, a lot of androstenols and a little bit of androstenone. Do the same thing, approach the same number of women (but different women), use the same lines. Judge the reactions. There you go.

You can build a house with your bare hands, but you have to actually use them. You can also build one using tools, it would be quicker, better, more effective. But just staring at the pile of bricks won’t build anything, whether you have empty hands or hold a hammer. The result will be the same - none at all.

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Thanks, but I choose to test in different ways. There is too much room for placebo otherwise. I see a lot of reports saying things like “I noticed a lot of eye contact from girls on the street” where it’s obvious that said girls couldn’t possibly have been exposed to the pheromones. Or people approaching women only when they are wearing pheromones. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I’m going to try to keep things very objective. Any positive results I report will carry quite a lot of weight. So far I am noticing an effect on my own person when smelling pheromones, and that is pretty substantial and worth buying pheromones if the effect is consistent over time.

PS: You underestimate women. They have no problem going after what they want.

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that’s exactly why I suggested you approach women without any pheromones first, and only then do the same thing whilst wearing them. I believe that would be just as objective as not approaching them at all. I understand you choose to test in whatever way you want. But these products were designed to improve social interactions, and it seems to me you choose to test those improvements by not participating in any social interactions at all. Just being in a place where socializing happen doesn’t mean you’re a part of it.

I don’t. I just am aware of certain social/cultural habits. Some of my closest friends are also women, usually quite confident and going after what they want. I go out with them sometimes. I have seen them being the first one to talk to a stranger. But it would never be a guy who stands still in one spot waiting for things to happen.
If you just want to test pheromones in this particular way, fine. Although most of us here have tried them this way as well, and we know what to expect, or not to expect; I’m just sharing that. But if you apart from the testing you also want some proper results, I’m just suggesting how they could be achieved, that’s it. I know there’s no such thing as only one right way to achieve anything. In fact, I am a firm believer in the “whatever works for you” idea. My opinions on pheromones in general and on certain products in particular, are quite different to what some more experienced users here have found. Like, some believe that A314 is not a good product for picking up women. While I agree that it gives a serious vibe that may be difficult to work with in such situation, it still work brilliantly for me. Complements my personality, attitude, looks etc.

I’ll be very happy to see your results achieved in the way you’ve chosen. If you find a mix that will make women come over and talk to you, even when you just stood and did nothing, I’ll want to know what it was, for sure. My suggestions in the previous post were just an answer for your disappointment in lack of results. But, if as you say sticking to this method of testing (since you believe it’s the only objective one) for the sake of science is more important than having better chance of getting actual results, then sure, stick to it. No irony here, I’ll keep reading this threads and your findings.

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Not the only method. There are other posts where I interacted with women all night. Also testing in the gym, etc. I’m going to try a lot of different situations over time.

One thing I noticed over the last three days of using/sniffing -none is increased sex drive. Then again it could be due to other factors. I will stop using pheromones for a few days to see if it goes away.

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Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

I am going to provide nothing but the absolute truth, no exaggerations.

Product: One dab NPA on neck + cover (basically none + A1)
Env: 2 clubby bars
Entourage: 4 chicks
Mindset: Charming A**hole
State: Somewhat buzzed
Looks: Looking good, if I do say so

I knew one of the girls. A few minutes after meeting the others and interacting with them, I had one of her friends grinding on me aggressively and bending over completely while I pretty much banged my crotch against her ass. People were watching like :open_mouth:.

In particular I caught one guy staring so I mentioned him to her, she turned around and gave me a big hug then started kissing me. :open_mouth:

She then took a $20 and stuck it in my crotch and got down on her knees and pulled it out with her teeth. :open_mouth:

I then said something about how BIG breasts and asked if I can grab then, she let me cup them while she giggled. :open_mouth: (of course I ask since this was in public.)

I noticed a very cute redhead walking by so I stopped her and engaged. She told me she had a boyfriend, I said “okay well I guess this conversation is over.” I waited for her to walk away like chicks normally do. She stayed there and started asking me questions, then grabbed me by the wrist and dragged me behind her and took me to her group :open_mouth: (she did have a boyfriend, I met him).

I interacted with the group and was talking to these three guys in particular who took a keen interest in everything I said. One of them told me he was frustrated because he hasn’t pulled a girl in a long time. :open_mouth:

This guy is younger and taller than me. I exchanged numbers with him and invited him out to a place I go and told him that a lot of chicks go there.

I also did some very close grinding with another hot chick who was married. We discussed anal sex. :open_mouth: I’m not gonna do anything with her, but damn.

Whether the mones were giving me crazy results, or whether all this was due to placebo, I don’t care. Wearing mones rules. More than likely, pheromones do create an aura of irresistible sexiness as long as everything else about you is congruent with it. There is too much evidence of this.