So far, nothing really out of the ordinary has stood out when using these products. Granted, I am still in the ‘experimenting’ stages as you would call it so maybe I just haven’t found the ‘sweet spots’.
The other day, something sort of stood out, but I can’t say I can attribute it to the pheromones. I had just gotten my a314 in, and had one drop spread between my wrists, and had a couple sprays IH to chest, back of neck, with one spray TUTH to the chest. I went to this sunday night young adult service I’ve been attending for a while. It was a smaller group this time, and I was sitting in a row that didn’t have anyone else in it (everyone else was a bit spread out). After the service got going a bit, during the ‘greet’ part one guy introduced himself, and as I turned back to sit down this girl popped up with her friends asking if it was ok to sit next to me.
Now perhaps pheros had nothing to do with this, and since I was alone in the row she’s just a nice girl who thought she’d help me feel more comfortable there by me not sitting alone, because my guess would be at the point she would have made her decision to come sit next to me, she wouldn’t have been in close enough proximity to detect pheromones?
Anyway, I talked to her briefly at the service’s close and she said it was wonderful to meet me and I told her I’d see her next week, so hopefully more will develop there.
So I thought I’d point that out, as a potential ‘hit’? But anyway, that’s more of a side note, I had been wearing IG, IS, IH, IO, sometimes IJ, different varieties on different days for a week or so, and decided to stop for a couple days. And it almost seems that this feeling of determination and empowerment I was starting to adopt recently, started to evaporate. Perhaps just the subtle self-effects of the pheromones have been enough to push my confidence to that level that allows me to be more comfortable and confident in myself? This seems to stand out more to me, then noticing any effects on others. Obviously the improvement in our own confidence is going to have a more positive effect on others, but I would hope the supposed subconscious signals of the pheromones would also have an effect to ease things along as well.
What do you guys think? Any particular thoughts on how the pheromones have seemed to effect your own confidence and willpower, beyond merely your belief that the stuff might work? Any of that extending to effect those around you?
I really haven’t noticed any self effects but I’m a 20 year smoker which might have something to do with that. As for hits I’ve been having very noticeable results with A314 and TuTH, maybe if you used a little more A314, I use anywhere from 2-3 drops.
would like to hear more about your experimenting steveintime,what is the latest…i am about to test the stuff as well, my hunch is that its all B.S., but gotta try it to find out for sure.
I’ve had my A314 for about two weeks now, and have been using it pretty regularly daily. One of the things I wanted to keep in my mind was to keep my expectations in check; I realize that a lot of the products are hyped very much on here, and it was one of the reasons I decided to try their products, but I wanted to be somewhat neutral about it so I could figure out if the stuff was having an effect or not. Rather than analyzing everyday in minute detail for what may or may not be a hit, I wanted to see how A314 would work as part of a bigger picture.
What I have noticed in the two week span, at work, is perhaps a bit more recognition from coworkers. It’s hard to discern if it is indeed the work of the pheromones, or not, since I have already been performing well at work and receiving a lot of recognition. People though, might be slightly more inclined to agree with and hear me out whenever I voice my opinion. Maybe I need more experience to be able to see “hits” that people mention, but I’m not so sure that something like A314 alone would generate noticeable hits. Perhaps I need to try something like TUTH or AMMO to see something really obvious.
I mentioned this in my journal. What I think is really the most important thing to consider is gonna be your inner game, if you’re using these to pick up girls, or just your inner mindset in general if youre using them for social/respect purposes.
The mones might bridge the gap between your inner self and other people, make them respect you a little more, or make girls a little more attracted to you, but the fact is YOU have to have something of value behind the mones. So if they make you more confident, that’s gonna make you more attractive to other people.
Don’t waste your time man, it’s all placebo effects if anything. I tried getting a refund on just one of the products, got Rma and everything, sent it in and they’ve never given me anything back, so guaranteed refunds seem to be on the bottom of their to do list. They spend most their time hyping it up and get you to believe it works. And I’ve tried all kinds for quite a while. If the stuff is worth anything some just smells good. Spend your money on some good cologne at a local store.
Yea Clint, if changing my “tune” as you call it, over the course of 7 months is “fast”, then you got me. It’s called the difference between “yay I think I just bought me some awesome stuff?? I want it to work!” to having tested it and realizing “damn this stuff doesn’t do shit, it’s all in your head” My advice to anyone considering this stuff, spend money on some regular cologne, decent clothes and a good haircut and believe in YOURSELF. Don’t think some ‘secret potion’ is going to give you an edge. What gives you an edge is your own confidence and unique personality.
Or clint, you could say he gave them a shot, tried them with a positive open mind, and then became convinced that they dont work and that its all hype..isnt that possible ?
Many Pheromones are scientifically proven to work however they dont work for everyone.
Its one thing to say they didnt work for you and a totally different thing to say they are all hype and wont work for anyone else.
Aspirin doesn’t work for me. No effect at all. Never has, never will, but millions of people swear by it and it works for them. Should I announce just because it doesn’t work for me its all hype ? That would be ignorant on my part.
Most times when synthetic mones dont work for a person I find its one of a few reasons.
They have misconceptions on what they do to begin with. The truth is there is a lot of hype. People expect women/men to flock to them swooning with desire and you know what ? Pheromones dont do that… not even close to that.
All they do is enhance what is already there. They emit a signal. They give you a edge but if you dont know what to do with that edge they wont do shit for you. Many members are working on other social skills as well so they use more then mones to enhance communication. It shows in there reports.
Another reason is because they are using the wrong product. If you produce alot of anone naturally for instance you dont need more. More is not better its just more. You may need something else to help enhance your qualities and personality. This is why we ask you about your personality age race etc etc when you join. That information is a indication as to what you may lack.
Another reason is many people dont have the social skills to pick up on signaling. If the reaction is not blatant they just dont see it. 90% of the time the effect of pheromones is seen in patterns of behavior or in subtle changes in behavior. Over time you notice a change in how people respond to you.
There can be lots of reasons but since you didnt ask for help we wont know what they are.
I am not telling you this to convince you to use pheromones. Frankly I can give a shit if you do or not. I do take exception to your saying because “I cant see the effect they dont work” They dont work for you but that does not mean they dont work for other people.
Thats just bullshit. I know they honor the refund policy. I suggest you call the office and talk to Steve or Mick. If you didnt get your refund there is a good reason.
I don’t wanna sound like I’ve been drinking the kool-aid, but I’ve spent a lot of time on these forums in just the last week or so and from what I can see, is that this company gives a damn. I see them giving product away for free in orders, not just giving away gift cards for giving an intro (which in and of itself is amazing) but also dropping a gift card on someone for putting in a lot of work into a post to share a bit of knowledge someone gained.
I’ve been doing internet marketing since '99, and I have been on a lot of company message boards. But never have I been on one that not only shares their trade secrets, but doesn’t mind if you discuss another product that might be more suitable for you elsewhere. Reminds me of Santa Claus at Macy’s in Miracle on 34th street.
Something tells me that if they ever did another In Search of Excellence series on PBS about businesses who go above and beyond the call, this one just might make the cut.
This is an amazing place full of knowledge. You are right Tisha when you say he should have asked more questions.
I myself am doing what I can behind the scenes trying to learn so as not to ask those oft repeated questions veterans get kind of tired seeing asked.
So when you call bullshit on this guy not getting his refund. I’m willing to side with the company here on this, even though I don’t know the whole story. Something tells me if for any reason I were to use 95% of a product and tell them it just didn’t jibe with me, they’d do what they could to help me find the right one, and then if all else fails, refund.
So far I’m having fun with the product I have purchased and used and have learned a lot about an interesting topic in the process. Thanks again for all who have shared so much info.
Some hype may come from users who suffer from placebo
But that appart, I fully vouch for the products androtics sell. It worked for me. it worked for my two friends whom I referred here. Me and 1 friend wanted help in attracting specific women and it worked wonders: we primarily used AMMO + IH + Instant Shine. in my case I introduced 297 into the mix later and this only accentuated the results. my other friend used 314 at work and is getting positive results.
On attraction products like AMMO and 297, I noticed a prominent difference in the relation in just two weeks of exposure. that dosent mean hits were not there… but at the end of the day its not hits which count but whether you have been able to escalate the relation or not.
In my case, at office whenever I use A314 I notice that general population keeps away from me, are more agreeable to me. I think, trust, respect, recognition are the three primary areas where A314 results could be seen although limiting the results of A314 to just these three areas would do injustice to the product.. damn i hate to admit, but it is worth the money.
Even my obdurate boss gets very agreeable to my suggestions once i have 4 drops of 314 or more on me… At 5 drops plus, its like the guest who booked the presidential suit arriving at a hotel with everyone bending over their back to make you comfortable
First off his original posts were in feb new ones now, thats enough time to form an opinion imho.
That being said pheros are not for everyone, I have been lucky to have noticed positive results/changes without any other influencing factors even 2x non visual hits so far. Which of course influenced me As for the refund Ive always found the staff to be friendly and helpful, so there must be a reason as they say 2 sides to every story.
I think a big problem is definitely the conception people have in their heads of what these products do. At the end of the day, PHEROMONES ARE A FRAGRANCE PRODUCT. Granted, they might be the most scientifically advanced fragrance out there, but that’s all they are.
When the automobile was first introduced(more specifically the model T), it revolutionized the transportation industry. People who previously only had the options of walking or taking public transit such as buses or trains now had a new option. It allowed them to go wherever the road would take them. But it wasn’t a flying carpet, it wasn’t an autobot that would transform into a robot and protect you from danger, and no one made it out to be so. At the end of the day, mones JUST MAKE YOU SMELL GOOD. The rest is up to you.
Frankly, its starting to annoy me when people say this is a scam. If I had just stumbled across the Androtics website, I’d feel the same way, but LOOK AT THIS GODDAMN FORUM. It is a literal cornucopia of knowledge. There are threads where people have done ten-day tests on 3 different molecules that you’ve never even heard of. So much work and collaboration has gone into this forum that it’s absurd to suggest that there is absolutely nothing behind the products.
I believe that a few persons here works for the company.Look how many people buy these products its not difficult to pay someone to write stupid things for 8 hours about their ‘‘hits’’ in a forum.Marketing rulez!
Well I certainly don’t work for them. And I am fairly new with pheromones. And I can tell you for a fact, that when wearing TUTH, my girlfriend is much, much more aroused. Again people, it’s subtle stuff. It just gives you a slight edge with whatever situation you are in.
The problem with that theory is that this company is more concerned about doing research, than building a consumer base. While they do get the best of both worlds with their consumers here doing a lot of the research, it behooves them to get accurate results as often as possible.
They’re selling something that they want to be able to back up over and over, getting the same results claimed from a variety of test subjects in and out house from a single product so they can say, “look this is what this does under different tests again and again.”
Sure there are placebo effects, but there are certain mixes I have used that thus far have lived up to the “hype.” That do exactly what their product description says.
I personally have not seen any major hits off of Ammo just yet, but haven’t tested it appropriately to see what doseage and mix is best for me.
But right now I stand by IS, CTTM2, A314 and IG. I didn’t have much success with IO or IJ. But I’ll give them a try again at a later time as I become more aware at noticing the results I should be expecting.
I highly doubt that it’s a hassle or a pain. But if it did manage to slip through the cracks (happened to me on an order), then just bring it to their attention. People are prone to mistakes, but its about how they correct it that makes the experience worthwhile, they immediately fixed it, and Steve, who took ownership of the issue got things done and got even a complimentary upgrade.
Besides the descriptions on the website, they’re really not hyping anything. For the most part that looks like standard advertising and marketing to me. You can even look at some of the descriptions like “80-90% of users exeprienced…” What you read on the forum are actual members that are giving those reports. If you’ve spent time in the forum looking at posts, you can tell the progression of the language and descriptions of “hits” from the new members to the more experienced ones. It was because their senses were fine tuned to notice it. You have some very intelligent people here that use it and believe that it works and also made strides in helping improve themselves in the process.
You’re right that those things you mentioned do give people an edge, but so do pheromones. For example, if you spent money on this great cologne, but it doesn’t mix with your body chem too well then it could smell bad to some women. Your haircut could not attract someone, your clothes could be too “preppy, emo, goth, ghetto, surfer” for someone else and would do jack in attraction. Your own confidence and unique personality is definitely the most important, but again, what works for one might not work for the other. In my experiences, this is what the products do, it helps you out in the ways that aren’t in the traditional realm of enhancing attraction. Also when you said “secret potion” you’re giving more creedence to pheromones than what they’re intended to do. It’s not a secret, our body produces them naturally, they’re there in nature, nothing secret about that. We’re just enhancing what we already have. If you haven’t found a hit or viable results. Why don’t you ask for opinions to the members and detail your testing. You can really learn a lot from others’ experiences. I learn new things everyday and reading others’ reports gives me a new perspective on things. I’m still getting “hits” from A314 that I realize now because of someone elses perspective that has always happened to me but I failed to realize it. If after all of that, you have nothing else, no hits, nothing, then hey it is what it is. The experiences you have with pheromones won’t be the same as others’. That’s the difference with it and that’s why each and every single one of us has some deviation on the results and why some products work great on others and why some dont. It’s always a good idea to eliminate all possibilities before discounting the effectiveness or non-effectiveness of a product.
How open are we really when we started off with these products. I read reports on a daily basis and experienced it myself that we have some sort of bias in either direction. Unless you bought Acqua Di Gio laced with pheromones, you’ll have an opinion either way. The positives or negatives could have just been mitigated by experiences that he had, we’re never going to know unless we ask him to provide more information and arrive at a reasonable conclusion, and after that there is nothing more we can really do. As of right now it’s just someone who may or may not have valid points, but its up to us to help him understand whether or not his conclusions are correct.
Opinions yes absolutely. Validated and well thought out experiences, maybe not.
Its not about luck with noticing results, it’s about knowing how to spot changes in people’s behaviors that matter. For me its easier because I deal with people all day and I can tell deviations from baseline pretty quickly, but for someone who came in here to try products that have notoriously been known as “Love Potion #9” as a general consensus, my views changed as I read more and refined my understanding of what they do and don’t do. That could also be a factor in his understanding on why they don’t work.
The question really is, “Why do you feel that they don’t work”
Fragrance is a scent, pheromones are communicator molecules. Remember that there are unscented products as well, AD just has the research for diffusion mediums that do smell good and when we get a hit of “you smell good” it automatically means it’s the scent, it’s neccessarily not. I had a girl literally say “OMG what are you wearing, it’s turning me on”, would you get that normally? No, Absolutely not. Could it be an isolated incident? Yes. Most likely some women feel that way but won’t articulate it. That girl is blunt and doesn’t care, that’s why I know it was true and why she said it. BTW, that pheromone was AMMO.
Personally, I would love it if steve kept spreading the word that this stuff doesn’t work. Means less exposure to the product, less people know about it and a bigger comparative advantage in my favour when dealing with people.
From the point of view of the AD store, this is not good, because more people will question it and possible buy less.
From personal experience, having seen people give me different reactions based on what products I was using, I’d say this stuff definitely works. If not, then the placebo effect it gives out alone is worth the money.
…one moment you’re slightly positive/questioning
