IH vs P83 vs A1

What is diffrenece between these 3 mones if you want to create attraction & deep connection with women?

I can tell you they work bloody well together! :smiley:

IH is the “connection” phero and A1 gives the attraction/crush/comfort effect, whilst P83 is the magnet that banishes personal space between you. :slight_smile:

for p83 it’s best for you to just get a sample and test it blind.

IH & and A1 wil help with deep connection yes! but attraction? none of them really in my experience.

Attraction, I’ve gotten from Ammo, TUTH, A314…for varying reasons…so out of the consumer brands, a Ammo and IH with A1 would make a nice testing for deep connection and attraction. I use like 6 sprays of IH too, for the fun of it :smiley:

lol Well none are the same my friend…I can give you that much! Never mixed the 3 or 2 of them but used them all sperately and I can tell you that each one is a beast on their own when used right…I agree with Happytappin if you want to see what p83 does, get it you’ll see what kind of fuckery you COULD get into…
A1 and IH are going to create comfort and connection, obviously when you are connecting you are feeling more Honest and Comfortable
AMMO should be called Instant Attraction personally, A314 is well A314 and you should know the raw awesome power that it will bring and TUTH is… something to add at the end when it has become appropriate

Interesting.

So P83 can increase the effectiveness of A1 by decreasing the personal space and in doing so, increases the exposure to the A1 (like radiation, the closer to the source the stronger the exposure or, in this case, the pheromone concentration). That explains why so many people find P83 better when paired with something.

If you add a small amount of IH, the target might be a little more comfortable with the attraction generated. Might be a smooth combination.

You JUST started and you’re making these conclusions already??

I didn’t mean to sound like an expert. And after rereading my post, I really don’t think I have that tone.

I was just following the logic of what has been post on this thread and what some others have said on others.

Of course, I have a background in biology and understand the basics of concentration gradients and dispersions and I’ve used some radioactive elements in the little research I have done, so I understand the basics of source vs effects.

Just because someone has just started doesn’t mean they are without reasonable ideas. I even consider some of the threads where the authors seem discuss neuroscience and pheromones, even though I just end up sacking my head at the end because I just don’t see the supporting evidence for things such as LTP. I do try to hear them out and not go into bully mode even though I probably understand the ideas better then they do.

More or less yes - That and the comfort also means you can get faster into all sorts of other interaction that promote attraction - Kino, close physical contact/presence etc.

Except for the fact that P83, is a putative, and is meant for individual testing and reporting. The whole point of the putative system is to gather unbiased opinions, by regurgitating what you’ve read not only are you not contributing anything, but giving others who might be more impressionable the wrong idea of the product.

Androstadienone isn’t produced by AD for a reason. Whatever the reason may be it’s their call. Anything that’s mixed with them, nulls any reports and essentially prevents any new members from acheiving reporting user status and might not be able to contribute because of dirty data, and misinformation.

IH in high dose is attraction and disinhibiting, probably based on a popular putative. :wink:

A1 is comfort and bonding. Some women find it also attractive. On males it’s repellent…

P83 is kino, with the right mix…

“I had mix effects with this product. The result only follow what it is paired with. It produces AMAZING results with some of the “sexual” pheromones.”

I took that quote directly from AD’s P83 site. Statements like that and the others located on the forum concerning any putative, may lead to alterations in a subjects behavior/expectations/observations. This is usually refered to bias in the social sciences. The “data” is so potentially corrupted by bias that it doesn’t even reach the case study model, the weakest of the scientific models.

The internal validity is simply not there. It could be created but it would have to be done without an subject being able to know what other subjects had already found and you would really need trained testers because most of us lack a natural disconnect. If you really want putatives to be tested properly, that would be the way to go. Gives you decent internal validity while providing for strong external validity.

Now I am not saying the information on gathered with from this forum is not without value but most of it is generate questions, develop strategies with know/suspected effects, and to see how and how many of the general population reacts to a given compound. I wish the pharmacological industry would do something similar to what AD is doing because we would gain a hold on side effects much faster with this type of knowledge. Steve and Trisha, along with others, have answered many questions, although not directly, that I have had on this subject.

I have to say that I have been very impressed with AD. The products are good. This forum is open, including discussions on A1 and A1 products that they don’t sell. I love that Steve is just honest even though it might hurt sales. Everyone at the company seems great from what I can tell so I don’t want to leave the impression that I don’t respect the company and the people who work for it.

I do find it interesting that you went after me concerning the A1. Maybe I would have been better received had I said TUTH instead of A1 but some how I doubt it. You have been part of this forum for 13 months. I seriously doubt you be considered a pheromone expert, at least by the Society of Neuroscientists, which I am a member of. If you feel the need to respond to something I write, you might want to provide a stronger argument than I haven’t been part of the forum long enough to have an opinion. I was in the Army, I am a Gulf War veteran, and I have too much education in the sciences to allow an internet bully to be tolerated. I apologize if my opinion of the situation is wrong.

I just read Mustangs retort. EDIT: He never mentioned A1 going after you..AD doesn’t make it and it does nullofy reports. It was p83. Thou dost protest too much?

And i think we all aware that this forum isn’t double blind placebo experiment. BUT, it’s a general rule of thumb to test Putatives blind, for YOUR sake as well as the AD forum.