You take yourself way too seriously. Lol
Are you in favor of or opposed to fake reports?
I love fake reports, they’re like candy. Seriously your obsession with Steve is getting out of control. I don’t think anyone is in favor of fake reports, but who is appointed to determine what is fake and what isn’t. It’s the internet, people lie all the time. I read every report with a bit of skepticism. Remember hankypanky and his mysterious virus. How about a couple reports over the years I’ve seen. First test gets a threesome, Hits from 30 feet away outdoors, hits from a girl in traffic despite both cars having their windows up. I wish i could find it, but there was a report from a somewhat respected poster on a putative. The report was nearly verbatim to what someone had posted days before. There are lots of iffy reports out there, but it seems like Steve has become your arch nemesis
No, you are again mistaken. You blame the messenger rather than the message. It is not the individual but the behavior. The conduct is unacceptable regardless of who does it. Are you a reporting user? It is prohibited for reporters to knowingly make false reports. That is because the moelcules are sold at half price only on condition of *honest *feedback. To be clear, I will repeat myself twice, since it seems I generally have to state something at least three times in order that you may understand it.
I appreciate you may find fake reports amusing. Be assured, this is the minority view. People who spent money on the product…after reading reports and expecting to see similar results…were not amused when the results did not happen. There are no refunds on experimentals. I fear I am not making myself understood.
The consumer products have a money-back warranty. That means every new release has to be extensively tested. You are correct, MHarris was/is admittedly obsessed about quality. A perfectionist. He has said so. That’s why it takes soooo long for MX’s to be developed. It took years of testing to develop A314 spray / MX347.
There is the placebo effect you learned in high school. People cannot sometimes tell between sugar pill and real drug. This is a fact. When fake reports get posted, influential people affect public opinion. Unfortunately for Ron H., jet aircraft cannot fly in space without oxygen. However, he was a powerful cult figure, so many people to this day do spend millions on his religious materials.
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You are correct. I am totally dedicated to eradicating false information about pheromones. It is a menace to the industry. I can understand, if you are not a reporting user, you don’t see this as important. I can understand if you don’t like Androtics products. Of course, almost anyone is free to participate here, although most of us are here not because we dislike the products. People who like XS and–for whatever bizarre reason–hate Androtics, only seem to have negative things to say.
Yes, I WILL speak out against any and all false pheromone information. Yes, I also report on products. Because I like them. There is a great deal of negative, rude, dishonest and outright cruel anti-Androtics propaganda out there. Much of it from Androtics competitors. But hey, check the other board. You know T****r, the user? He started in 2012 as a noob and is now a vendor. I don’t know him, but he actually knows college chemistry. And he called O out on being wrong about Allo-THDOC and being defensive about affiliate sales via L*Pheromones website. Got to admit, dude has a pair. That’s one reason O never posts. So, don’t worry, others have said a whole lot worse. XS isn’t a scam. The products are legit. The problem is that O can’t seem to tell fact from fiction. And has never apologized to the community for fake reports.
But to be honest Blacky, you haven’t written a new report thread to this board since 2011. I get it, you love XS. Fake posts–you’re totally cool. Great. I understand you don’t have any favorite SmartMones. Fine. Now, of course, you do have your free speech…but if you aren’t here to report or discuss SmartMones, I can totally understand how you might feel more comfortable at XS. Don’t let me stop you. It’s a free country. However, I don’t now and never will agree with fake reports. Some of us had to earn a reporting status. Anybody who wants to make false reports, I don’t respect that. Nothing will change my mind.
And, to answer you question, it would be my goal to move every dubious post to the lounge. But, since that requires Admin approval, all I can do is bump the thread and let them take a look.
This statement:
“I used to make up some outrageous claims with some molecules just to see how many others would follow suit. It became kind of a game with some of us.”
This goes against the reporting user rules. Now, if you, Blacky, made a fake report and got caught, I can’t say for sure you would lose your discount, but don’t be surprised. ANd the company has said one reason why MX297 is still not yet a consumer item is that they don’t have enough good reports. Bad reports actually set back progress by months and years. So, Blacky, you are saying you want fake reports to set back progress? Is that correct? I seriously doubt very many people agree. I know that the Androtics admins don’t agree.
Further answering your question: Yes, I will bump every suspicious thread I find. I would really prefer Herepero or whoever to move this to a comedy/Lounge thread. If it were my board, I would flag every thread with a “comedy” disclaimer. What we have here is TheOniondotcom of pheromones.
So, Blacky, I have given your advice consideration and decided no.
Since I have to ask each question three times to get an answer, here we go: “What are your favorite SmartMones products? Is there anything about Androtics or PheroTalk you actually like?” Yeah, I know you like O. Got it. He doesn’t own this board. So, if you really don’t like Androtics, why not just come out and admit it. Take a stand. Say what you mean.*
Lol, liking fake reports was sarcasm. I like some ad products, p83, shine come to mind. IJ was going to be purchased a while back, but with the heft y price increase and competing products i opted against it. I think a lot of people were disappointed with some of the happenings at AD and moved on. As far as Steve is concerned, I’m ambivalent. Some of hits products work for me others don’t. If someone ask about a pxs product the response shouldn’t be about someone’s personal vendetta against Steve, but about the product.
“Some of hits products work for me others don’t.” This is the most common post I read. But again, vendetta is a mischaracterization. It was he who approved my reporting status. I did not ask. They just did it. So, acutally, I do have gratitude to him for that. Vendetta means: "
a prolonged bitter quarrel with or campaign against someone." No, I’m waging war against **not **the man per se. His sex life and private life in general are of no interest. Instead, it is against any pheromone professional intentionally posting false information.
Again, after years and years, ***** Labs, a company many people have heard of, is still using information on its site verified to be false. A faked COA for 99.9% androstenone. So I send Androtics a PM. “Is there even such a thing as 99.9%?” Can I get it to test? How much is it? **No, it does not exist.
**The situation is a pattern of ongoing inaccurate information going back more than 5 years. Up to right now. So I am personally calling upon him to please cease it. It is very bad for the community. I have several posts on Enzyte, KevinTrudeau and other topics. I have nothing against Kevin personally. I against the misinformation in his infomercials. Because the information is false. When I find false information, I will be speaking out.
My concern with O is the ongoing pattern.
Pre-2010: Makes undetermined number of “made up” posts.
2012: States of Allo-THDOC:
“Its probably the single most expensive pheromone in the world.”
Not really. Analytical quality is only a few dollars more per mg than analytical -enone.
2013-2014: Website promises certified quality tests on every molecule.
2014: March. Promises to post quality assurance for each compound.
Now: No reports for erone or enone.
Now: Web page for DHEA says 99% pure. Cert. says 98.
2008: Writes the post on offical rules for reporting users. 2014: Admits repeatedly breaking them. Takes pride in it.
2014: XS says, “We are active full members of the American Chemical Society and are seeking inclusion into numerous other organizations.” Really?
Not exactly. ACS has four categories of membership. None is called “Full.” Membership is for people, not companies. Non-chemists are **Non-Scientist/Society Affiliate. **Fully qualified members are degreed chemists. So, no. XS is not a member, according to the ACS website.
Affiliate = “A person who is not eligible to become a member of the Society but whose major vocational effort is directly concerned with the practice of a chemical science.”
If O doesn’t have a chem degree he is not eligible to be a member. ACS doesn’t do corporate memberships, so it says. However, if you pay the fee, any non-chemist pheromone vendor/user could apply for affiliate, but true members must be chemists or students.
Membership Process and Categories
Your profile has been modified: What it all means
Now, I understand how hard it is to come to grips with the facts, but don’t blame the messenger. These are his posts. A few months ago, you posted on misinformation.
Well, you have your opinion. I don’t see fallout in the current 314 oil, by itself. It needs to be in a mix. Do you use A314? Again, when you don’t report on the products, I don’t see how you come to that knowledge. And actually, Watkins has tested and reported on many, many items.
Good results from IG, IShine and A314, no effect from others
To be fair, reports are only opinions. You say fallout, I say not. However, the posts here a facts, not opinions. Each quote is direct, virtually verbatim. I appreciate your point of view; however, for sake of brevity, unless you can state that the quotes are not accurate, they stand.
Organizations or individuals that post fake COA or fake molecule reports…these are not spreading love and happiness. They are spreading misinformation.
So, you state that you are against misinformation. Then, of course, you agree with me. Intentional misinformation is always wrong, no matter the person or company.
You stated that only soap and water is needed to remove -enone. That is an opinion, not a fact. Actually, there are more experienced users that identify -enone as a problem for some people and recommend witch hazel. So, actually, your comment on misinformation is itself misinformation. Your comment that there is non-enone buildup. Many people disagree.
“Androstenone is kinda sticky though. Some of it comes off with soap and water but you get a residue that can build up over time. So some witch hazel on a cotton ball which is a astringent gets off the residue.”
How to get pheromones off (What's the best soap)
I am against all misinformation.
Post Script. The XS affliliate page mentions the FTC truth-in-advertising principles websites are supposed to follow.“An act or practice is deceptive, Ms. Fair explained, if it contains a misrepresentation or omission of information or is likely to mislead consumers acting reasonably under the circumstances.” - FTC expert.
A site selling Aser (XS Labs) products says: “The Worlds Only Mix and Match Pheromone System.” The hell it is! “Dosed Pheromone”, “Pheromone System”, “Instant Pheromones”, “Human Musk”, “NeuroInfluence”, “Mix N’ Match Pheromones”, “Social Effects” and variations are trademarks of Androtics Research (on the bottom of the SmartMones page). Have been for years. Seriously, Admins, I’m not in charge of business decisions, but this is your trademark. It is completely not cool for any ethical mones site to use trademarks without permission. Any small business out there knows that is not acceptable.
We have a winner! 
I have to admit that you are getting annoying bringing up old posts. I’m getting emails left and right from you bumping them. Does Steve even post here anymore? Does a 5 year old thread matter?
Well, I regret your inconvenience. Try unsubscribing.
Yes, it does matter. I requested this thread be moved to the Lounge. It seems comedic, and here it shall lie in repose. Not to put to fine a point, but your post bumped it. And again, I’m sorry if this is emotionally upsetting. There are lots of materials online. Maybe you could just not read them? People bump threads all the time for various reasons.
My objective was more to the point: fake posts are 1000% against what this board is about. It is about honest research. It is not about ego, hype or misinformation. That has been the mission for 10 years. As a veteran member, I know I can count on the fact that you value research. You said you were opposed to fake reports, correct. If so, stand up and be counted.
Fake post and the people who make them don’t fit the mission. I sincerely regret your email discomfort. Nevertheless, if I stumble upon threads that look false, I will request they be reviewed and moved to the Lounge, subject to the final say of the company.
Thanks again,
MMDI.