Have any of you had copulin products go bad? Is this an issue in a spray bottle where they are relatively isolated from oxygen? How about a sealed reagent bottle?
How does one tell if something this maloderous is starting to go “off”?
I keep all my pure cops in a metal air tight container and have had some of bottles for years and they have not even begun to break down. Not even the industrial ones I have.
Its not a issue with the alcohol containing sprays only the pure oil form.
Tisha
I have some Eow from LS that is several (4 or 5?) years old and had dissolved its rubber dropper so I transferred it to a closed bottle after the first year or so. It has mellowed some compared to its initial acidic stink but has not turned rancid in the least. If anything it is more usable now. I have never heard of anyone having their EoW “spoil” and I’ve been following the forums for all these years.
I am sure they dont appreciate it. LOL
They dont need to check them, thats my point. I believe they know. After all a quality lab has quality control over there products. I know that they are perfectionists on quality so my only deduction can be they know.
Knowing or not knowing its not good business either way.
I called my brothers lab and he asked me to send two viles one old and one new and he will check them.
Tisha
I want to thank Tisha for bringing up this topic. I’ve gotten tired of waiting for Androtics to get back in the copulins business and have found another vendor with cops formulas that work just fine, and they employ a variety of pleasing phero perfume blends as well.
Androtics has been a great company and has much to recommend it, but can sometimes be incredibly slow on the uptake as far as acting on the abundant and supportive consumer feedback they get.
The very harsh public slamming of competitors is something I don’t appreciate, either. If your product quality speaks for itself, you don’t have to do that. Making inflammatory claims against your competitors (who are smaller than you) just makes you look really bad, and makes me question your own integrity. Taking care of your OWN business and not speaking of others at all would work better here, I think.
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well i have been posting diligently in my journal about the mixes,
and thankfully i still have the mx134 that works awesome but not so much mx300.
i use twice as much to get my hits, but i basically chalked that up to being in a to-go bottle.
i just want to remind everyone that Androtics was up front about not having the copulins.
i totally understand the hits being different.
they SHOULD be without copulins.
copulins are basically the only sexual agent in any mix,
with all the feminine pheromones being just that-
feminine.
this equates to social, girly, sensual.
to get the sexxay we need cops.
i dont think Androtics lead anyone to believe anything different,
but i will state for the record i use a huge amount of cops,
love them, and will continue to do so until something more refined is created.
im personally not stressing over having to add cops to Androtics already effective mixes.
i would have added more cops anyway, thats how i roll 
HI Tish,
can you tell me where you can get EOW … i am fairly new but have tried IH, IS/A, IS/B, IS, Io, EST, and M134… i am confused as to if you can say which ones have cops in them or not… i havent been consistant with my experiments and reportings as life gets busy alot but plan on doing so in the very near future… my question i guess right now is where can i get EOW that i have been reading about since that seems to be the one that has the biggest COPS… i too will order more through androtics, but havent found any thing that says it contains the cops with a punch so to speak… if you can help me, please do.. i am going to start experimenting on a more consistant basis, and cant wait to share…i also love reading all of this…looking forward to being informed about the cops as i have no clue where to get them for now until Androtics comes out with more..
thanks so much
Islandhopper
Bummer. I wonder if this affects IJ. I had gotten a bottle quite a bit ago that had some interesting effects (and an interesting smell) which had convinced me to recently buy a full bottle of the stuff. I haven’t used the new bottle yet, nor even smell tested it.
You can get EOW (Essence of Women) at Lovescent
If you need to spike your products until Androtics comes up with a Alternative this is the best option available. pretty much the only option as pure cops go.
The Instant sexiness line and MX134 MX300 MX135 will be the main ones lacking in copulins.
It was asked in the beginning when the cops ran out in the custom section. We were told any cops they have were being saved for the mixes that required them and they took priority over customizations. I pmed Jas on this as well asking when the cops would be ready and asked why MX134 was out of stock. This was a while ago when it was out for a few weeks. Then MX300 came out. IJ still has cops in it at least I smell them there.
Anywhoo… members here did not just assume the cops were not there because the customization option was gone.
As I said its not the end of the world for the experienced user, we pretty much know what we are doing. We can advise new people on how to spike there products with cops if need be. I just have to wonder now how many new people gave up on mones when they didnt see the results we were all reporting. Whats upsetting to me is that I inadvertingly lied to them and it will come back to me.
Tisha
amen amen amen!
nothing inadvertant comes back to you.
your intent does.
i would relax,Tisha.
you are respected and upfront.
there is no other way to take you.
honestly, i think this is easily handled with a learned skill in the addition of copulins.
its not costing alot more in the long run,
they will learn something,
and this can only lead to more sales in the copulin industry-
not less in the pheromone industry.
to make less the contribution Androtics makes because there is a lack
of something easily added is just undue stress.
dont worry. be happy.
then stinky. then horny. 
hmm yeah. im gna confess that ive been kind slow on my mx reports because of this same issue as well.
i actually spiked my mx300 with 3 squirtful of eow as well a couple of weeks ago.. (dont know how many drops is that..) i guess i didn’t really notice the difference since i always wear a bit of cops on the side but i do know that IS/A (the older one that i just conveniently ran out..) has always worked better than mx300.
at least lovescent copulins right now are rather strong and very potent. it’s not very cost effective but it’ll have to do for now, i suppose 
thanks so much for bringing this up, tisha 
Economic crisis…desperate times. Who knows what companies are doing to save money.
Well in that case, truth got to hurt sometimes Hopefully they’ll fix it soon.
I talked to Steve, it wont be immediate but it will be fixed. Neither of us can reveal much more then that.
I am relaxed Lor, I was never not relaxed.
Yes it is easily handled when people are aware it needs to be done. Now we are.
I have to address this cause its been bugging me. I am not sure how you meant it but I need to make clear.
I never said the "made less of a contribution " by Androtics. I have loyally supported this company through some tough times when other long time members bailed and this is not the first hard issue I have brought to light on this forum.
I am straight forward by nature and taking on a problem head on is the most effective way to get something done about it. I could have taken the easy route and just been quiet about it.
I am sure you remember a while back us discussing how EOW was suddenly weaker then it used to be and the smell was off and Jasmin coming in and telling us >>>>>>>>> What happened to eow? - #30 by Jasmin I agree with a lot of what she says in this post and especially about the dangers of anything made in China. But not about some of the companies mentioned. I use EOW and I love it but I also said we should tell him something is off so he knows batches after that are now fine. Anywhooo she also talked about product consistency and vendors covering up those inconsistencies. Taking the cops out of products here makes for a inconsistent product.
Dont think for a minute that in my bringing this subject up that I was trying to hurt Androtics. I just want their actions to match their truth and if I see them veering off course for whatever reason. I have no problem speaking up because I do love and respect the staff and the members. I don’t know maybe to some people, love and respect means to sit quiet and say nothing to me its to care enough to tell them when something is wrong and hold them to a higher standard, if we dont who will ? I know they can rise to the challange.
Tisha
did you PM steve first about it?
Jasmin?
is the only way to get answers by talking it over with people who dont make/sell the stuff,
or by people with actual answers?
i guess i was confused by how you went about it.
i dont always read every thread, so this may have been adressed by you at an earlier time with them and you got no response from them.
this i wouldnt know.
thats why im bringing this up here.
I know its a huge forum and you were away a while so you missed some stuff. I just don’t want you or anyone else thinking I am trying to work against them.
I didn’t blind side them. I do know copulins will be forthcoming and am confident people will be pleased when they do. I was never distressed about that subject in fact recent events have made me much more confident they will be spectacular. Cant say more about that.
I talk to Steve almost every day. I ask about the copulins everyday. He bends over backwards when he can but he can only bend with the resources they give him to bend with. I credit him with all this growth the forum and store has seen this past two years.
I have PMed back and forth with Jasmin on the subject of copulins and other forum and product issues. I was told any copulins they have are for the consumer products. So when someone new asks me “what do I get to make my husband get worked up” I am sending them to the instant sexiness line and telling them there are some cops in it. Imagine my surprise and theirs. I work one on one with a lot of new members. I have been urged to tell them to get SOE when they want cops but I was not told they were not in Instant sexiness anymore. I found that out myself. I love SOE but not for the tiny cop content. I am sure you read jassy’s post I linked to so you know how they feel about EOW. Hey he is the only one who has it what the hell we supposed to do. I am going to suggest it.
I may not be a store employee, I can not access your accounts or help with CS issues other then advising you what to do but I do “work” for them so my intention is to make them aware so they know its something that’s matters to all of the women and not just me. I have had many people asking me why they are not getting the reported results with some products. I did not bring it up to discredit them. They are still the number one quality mone dealers on the net in my opinion and I will always back them up and I will always tell them when I think they are making a mistake to. Not that they care so much what I think LOL
On every controversial issue I have brought out in the open on the forum I have talked to either Steve or Jasmin about repetitively beforehand and in many cases they knew it was coming because I told them.
Hell I almost started a war over editing other members words in posts last year. I think you missed that one LOL 
Another subject I often bring up…
Women’s products, they have never been a priority here. To be truthful they are not for most mone vendors and Androtics is better then most in this area and they really do try to hear and help the member. But they can only hear us if we speak. I am sure with over 10,000 posts you all know I like to speak.
I have always been a advocate for more women’s products. This is something I have discussed with Jas and have been open about on the forum. I was told, the women don’t report enough so I have encouraged them to report and now we have a lot more reporting women. Still no new products for us and a lot of the old simple ones we cant even get in stock that have nothing to do with cops.
I asked for MX215 about 20 times and that’s just has anol and TAA in a grapefruit scent.
You can be sure I will pester them about this to LOL
The ladies have been diligently posting and reporting and rarely complain. I love the men and I do not begrudge them their products and would step up to bat for them to. But when they start to hem and haw about something that’s not in stock suddenly it appears. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and Yes forum family… I am squeaking. I will try to protect what we do have and continue to squeak about other products we want.
They know me and I don’t think they would expect less from me. In time it will be resolved I just hope its not another 8 months.
Tisha
I’m going to hazard a guess that this is related to the Ammo launch and other commercial projects? You do get a feeling on the forum at the moment that Androtics are on the edge of springing a huge surprise on us all. What with Jasmin and Mharris posting more regularly then the frequency of posts stopping all of a sudden. I get the impression they are working like crazy behind the scenes preparing something very special for us all. It’s only a matter of time I feel.