Im Distressed

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I am hesitant to post this but Jassy has always told me “honest accurate feedback is so important” So a thousand pardons Androtics but here go’s.

As you all know I have hundreds of bottles of mones from Androtics and I love each and everyone of them but my last few orders had me stumped.

At first I thought, well maybe its me and I need a long break from mones but its not…

I got all my usual products in my last two orders. All the regular ones that have worked for me since I started here and I noticed the new bottles from my last two orders just don’t have the punch they used to. They are not producing the same quality of hits they used to. Not only that but they smell different to me. I couldn’t place it at first but it finally dawned on me. I cant smell the copulins. The formulas that I know don’t contain cops are the same. They work fine and are consistent.

I went to the mone closet and got some of my same older mixes out and compared and there is a difference in scent. I wore the older ones and sure enough they packed a much more effective punch then these new bottles I have gotten over the last few months’

To be sure I put my Instant sexiness in some unmarked bottles and had my friend Mare test them. She got next to nothing, and this is unusual since she doesn’t use them all the time and always got hits before. I told her it was a new test mix. I had her test the old bottles and she said That’s instant sexiness right ? I love that one, I always get hits with it.

I repeated the test with other products that I know contain cops and the same results for both of us.

They are out of copulins, I just know it even for the regular mixes and some of the men’s formulas other then the obvious ones have them as well. No don’t ask I wont tell you which ones.

I have also gotten a lot of PM’s from new ladies having trouble picking up on the hits with some of our stand by’s They are getting more social hits then normal but the attraction hits are not coming. Its not just me. I crossed checked and sure enough its the same ones I am having trouble with.

Now I knew they were not offering the cops in the custom section and they didn’t have Lam but I thought they would never change the formula on the consumer products. Not on products that worked so well. Surly they would save whatever copulins they have left for those or get some more stinky or not. But I hate to say it. I believe they did take the cops out, in fact I am sure of it now. When I took my EOW and added some to each of those mixes what I got was the old original formulas that I love.

So I am distressed by this change. Very distressed. I hate to be a complainer, You all know I love Androtics and have stood by them through thick or thin but I love the members here to and I felt the need to say something.

Something is just not right and I know that is what it is.

We have waited with loyalty and patience for over 8 months now for the return of copulins.

We even told you what our vagina’s smell like.:stuck_out_tongue:

I am distressed. Of course I will still buy my products here but now I have to spike the mixes missing cops with EOW. Its costly and inconvenient.

Please please please hear my plea. Find some copulins. We don’t care if they stink as long as they work. We don’t use your products to smell pretty we love them for the mones. We can cover with perfume.

My advice to the members if your having trouble seeing results or if you feel you are not seeing the impact you once did from your favorite consumer and popular advanced standbys let them know. I also suggest you get some EOW and spike your mixes.

Again I am sorry but you all wanted honest useful feedback. :frowning:

Tisha

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Hmm, it would be interesting to know how long the formula has been changed. As you know, I started here in February, and have tried both Instant Sexiness A and B, but honestly, I didn’t think they were all that. I wanted to get hits from them, like those I had read about, but found I got more noticeable hits from Instant Openness and MX300, etc.

And isn’t MX135 supposed to have cops in it too (please correct me if I’m wrong)?

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I feel your pain, TishaPoo. Some changes just aren’t good. :frowning:

Hang in there!

As the world turns. To be continued …

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Yes MX135 has cops, so does MX300 and both instant sexiness A and B.

I am not saying they totally do nothing though. They just dont have that punch or the grab I love with a copulin product. I get mild social hits from both men and women but its dosnt grab there attention like before.

For the younger ladies it may not matter as much because they have lots of natural copulins but for those of us who are older we need them.

They really used to be “all that”

I am also referring to attraction and sexually charged hits, IO I always get hits from but they are not of the same nature.

I know there are those who say “I dont know why women want sexual products the socials are so much more useful” I like the socials but I work with the new people everyday and I know what they want. I know why I origonally looked for mones and I know why most people start to look for them. Its for attraction. Sure socialization and the other benefits we discovered after we joined but its not why most of us started.

LOL :slight_smile: I know your being sweet but you dont feel our pain and apparantly Jassy dosnt either. (Yes I am trying to get your attention) Now let me take the anone out of all of the mens products and then you will feel our pain. Thanks for trying though LOL :wink:

Tisha

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Hmm, Lady Tisha, sorry to hear about your recent experiences with the pheros & the copulins issue :frowning: And i know how much a EOW bottle cost & it ain’t cheap either btw :frowning: So i understand what you mean & hmm yes it seems some men formulas have copulins in them as an ingredient but i know only a few btw.

You are not alone, i have personally requested about another phero that i’m sure you know which contain copulins in its ingredients & even to at extent of creating a poll on it which got a high response btw but until now, no reproduction of that phero whatsoever.

I hate to say this but even me as a guy i’m beginning to worry about the newly produced pheros that Androtics make nowadays as you say they don’t smell the same & pack a punch like the old ones. So what is affecting you ladies badly could be affecting us guys badly too. I’m sorry Androtics but i take Lady Tisha side now.

I hope Androtics hear your plea Lady Tisha as they have ignored mine already. Best wishes PhatSounds :slight_smile:

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I must confess, I have begun spiking my products with EOW as well. I found a drop in efficacy that disturbed me as well. The new IS/b had NO effects at all, and the new IS/a had very, very minimal ones. After I spiked it, it was back to “normal.”

Thank you Tish for bringing this to light.

(Can you comment on whether there are cops/supposed to be cops in MX300?)

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Yes MX134 should have trace amounts of cops.

First let me say MX300 has never been as good as MX134 even though it says the scent is the only difference. It also happened to come out after the cops ran low.

Without it in there both me and Mare find we still get the respect and awe but not the attentiveness that I love about MX134.

For example with the old product at work, People act more respectfully. My boss stayed off my ass. When I said anything even stupid crap people would all stop and pay attention like I was gonna say something deep and profound. I could be saying “Pass the sugar” and they shake there heads up and down like they know just where I am coming from and how I feel LOL I still get this with MX134.

The part I always got with the old mix and not with the new mix is this…

I work with mostly men, and I notice with the old mix they would be attentive. Not sexually but if I was picking up something heavy they would jump to my aid. If I was rolling my hamper to my truck they would do it for me. If I said, I’m hungry within a few minutes there would be a muffin on my desk.

Now its not the end of my world. I dont need them to help me but its still is different then what I am used to from Mx134.

Tisha

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Tisha,

You know I can’t answer for Jasmine or Androtics… but, patience, Darling! Something special is in the works… I just know it. :stuck_out_tongue:

I think it won’t be long now and you can be rolling in sweet, sweet copulins.

<3

Diane

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Tish -

Thanks very much for that. If you have a moment, and havent already, can you head on up to my journal here ( Tigerlilly's Reports - #221 by Tigerlilly ) and comment on my MX300 experiments. I’d very much like your input. It rolls along for a few pages, as I was posting in experiment.

Here’s to hoping that cops come soon - I agree, I want them stinky and effective - not prettily scented. Effective.

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My question is, when did copulins start to run low? Is this maybe part of why I had trouble “getting” the MX135? I am wondering whether I have even experienced proper IS a or b, or MX135. Maybe this is why I don’t reach for my IS a and b very often.

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shit I should have read this before I placed an order for is/a yesterday…dayum!

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Just spike it - seriously it works. I put about 15 drops of EOW in a full to go of IS/a.

On first spray you get a nose full of cops, but it buries itself in the neroli quick like. I sprayed one spray to my chest and it died down within a minute. That led to heavy, heavy petting and making out, including the guy planting his face in my cleavage, inhaling, then looking up into my eyes - with fire in them. We barely got out alive.

Even if there were trace cops in your IS/a & b before, SK, spiking it makes a world of difference anyway. :wink:

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Tisha you are very brave to say these things. You have risked yourself on behalf of us. Again. Thank you.

Which brings me to question that I’ve had in my mind for some time now;

Just what is it that is so damn difficult about obtaining copulins?

This a known, standard chemical formula. With an appropriate amount of money, it could be produced in almost any quanity by any of several biochemical production companies.

Present day biochemical industry does not have have production capacity problems. With an appropriate amount of money, you should be able to obtain any known compound, even if it did rquire custom production, in less than 120 days.

And it has been how long now? … What’s wrong with this picture?

UhhhHuh

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I’ll answer this one, Ooohyahhh.

Synthetic copulins are extremely caustic and extremely malodorous at high concentration… so much so it is hard to work with them without a gas mask or industrial hood. Those were Mike Harris’ original concerns. And I believe he was against anything that dissolved its own dropper.

There are other problems working with copulins that makes them difficult. They are volatile short chain fatty acids. If you store them a long time they become rancid, just like other oils or fats. Once they become rancid all you can do is throw them out (or preferably, bury them very deep.)

The recommended smelling concentration for most of the fatty acids found in copulins is less than 1%. Anything above that and you get quickly overwhelmed by the smell. Something that smells good at a low concentration can make you puke at too high a concentration.

But you have to have a much higher beginning concentration if you are going to be adding them to other formulations, because the addition to the other elements in the formulation dilutes out the copulins. Does that make sense?

There are ways to get around these issues, making copulins easier to work with. And progress is being made.

I hate to be mysterious, but that’s all I’m willing to say about it for now.

Diane

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15 drops, hmmm?

I actually gave in and ordered some non-oil based EoW, though I can’t really play with it just yet as I have just recently commenced with a new blind testing study that prohibits me from using any other products.

Oh, and some oil based EoW is winging its way to you even as we speak :wink:.

And I still really want to know how long these products have been this way (non-copulin-spiked). Just so I know whether I have ever really experienced them properly since I’ve started.

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Stainless steel, teflon, any of a dozen non-corrosive materials. Glove box. Enclosed laboratory automation with vaccum degassed airlock.

Staggered delivery dates. Refrigeration. Inventory control. Chemical preservatives.

Safety problems? Handle in a controlled atmosphere environment. Have procedures and safety equipment for spill control.

Nothing mysterious about it. Pretty straight forward chemical handling and laboratory procedures. Not really any different from handling any highly corrosive or poisionous chemicals. They don’t manufacture these chemicals. They just mix them. And this is not large scale production. Probably less 200 gallons a year.

Any competent chemical engineer could have this in full production in less than 6 months. Probably alot less.

Especially if your corporate life depended on it.

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You know what… three months ago I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly. Then I started really looking at what it would take to manage this and the costs.

Sure you could do it on the low down and order cheap reagent grade chemicals from China or wherever, and throw together a vent hood to mix your reagent grade fatty acids together in. That is what a lot of “copulin” formulators do, the ones who actually have any copulins in their mixes. I don’t think, from what I’ve read, that Androtics wants to go that route. And what you suggest, have you also thrown together an estimation of the costs? Do you really think Androtics makes the kind of profit to be able to do all these things… especially now with the economic slowdown? Be serious.

Diane

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This thread is an interesting read, thanks.

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8 months ago for running low but I believe they still had some for the mixes at that point. The best I can figure out from the quality of my products is around March.

I know you cant speak for Jasmin. I prefer for her to speak for herself.

I am well aware of what your referring to and I do appreciate it tremendously. I look forward to it. But my distress is not just about the lack of copulins. Its about new people coming to the forum and reading up on the products then buying them expecting one thing and getting something different.

It puts me in a terrible position because I work with the new people all the time and they are asking me "why is it not working for me like everyones reported ? " If we were aware of the change we could have helped these new people. Told them its a temporary thing and taught them to spike their products till the new formula came out.

I may not be on the Payroll here but I do bust my ass for this company and one of the reasons I have in the past and do still is because of there dedication to the quality of products and to the consumers using them.
Because it was not about the money for them it was about producing products that work.

To me changing the formula and not making people aware they are buying a product that will not work as reported is a move one of the “shady bad vendors” would make which Jasmin has always warned me against.

Yes spiking it does make a world of difference. I am putting 30 drops in mine.

Sure I will be up in a little bit.

Thank you, It was not a easy thing to do on my part. If I suddenly disappear you will know why :smiley: I have never been one to sit quiet when I see a wrong being done or make excuses for them. My days are numbered my friend. But remember this, if I do end up not participateing anymore its not because I dont love this company or its members. Its because I told you the truth.

I can see you have been talking to Jasmin because you have given me almost word for word the response I have always gotten when I Pmed them on these issues. I am all for their agenda of cleaning the poor quality vendors and using only the finest quailty mones. But I have never been one to let people blow smoke up my ass no matter who taught them their NLP techniques and I am not about to start now. Nor will I blow smoke. I am in no way saying Diane is blowing smoke… just to be clear. Im have tremendous repect for her beyond what I can discuss here. I know she is just repeating what she has been told but I been around here a long time and I know the song and dance.

I love helping the new people and the more experienced members with there pheromonal experience but it will be a cold day in hell before I lie to them or claim a product will do something I know damn well it can no longer do. They know it to.

Bottom line is people are not purchasing the origonal product, the product that I have been endorsing and reporting on in this forum for 4 years now and we should have been made aware of it. We are not talking about test products here that are sold at cost. We are talking about the consumer products. I think people would rather pay $5 more for something that works then something lacking the reported results. I am also referring to two of the most popular womens mixes that are top sellers in the advanced section for the women and should have been moved to consumer products ages ago. I understand the rest are test products and the formulas change.

I apprieciate your defending Androtics and I know that I am putting my ass on the line. We should have been told. Plain and simple.

Tisha

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Wow, Tisha you’re a heroine babe. Don’t know whether androtics appreciate your honesty (I’m sure that they’re probably checking their consumer products now - I meant it in a good way!). But I really admire you standing up for all of us aka busting your ass to get things like they were before.

Tigerlilly - thanks sweetie, will be running to LS to buy some cops, a girl’s got to do what a girl’s got to do…been waiting for 8 monthes, and now I think I’ll have to wait for 4 more. Might as well, go with eow.