I’ve been a member here since 2007 and I made my order in that year.
I ordered:
Ammo
IS
IH (to go)
IO
My experience in 2007-2008
I will be honest, at that time, I thought they were magic potions; that I won’t have to do anything. Therefore, I was disappointed by them and barley used them.
Overtime, I noticed some effects with IS and IO. To make the post, as short as possible, I won’t talk about the expeirence.
Ammo scent = I didn’t see any results, but I wasn’t trying either way. Plus, on the nights I wear it, whenever I leave the house, my sister would tell me to stop wearing this “cologne” because it smells like urine
Fast forward to now:
I still have few sprays of IS, half bottle of Ammo, and 1/4 of IH to go. No more IO.
I want to give pheromones another shot so I want to make a new order. I know that IS works so I will buy one for sure.
My situation and my goal:
I just turned 27
I want to increase my social circle.
I want to be seen more of the center of the circle.
The challnege:
I’m more of a relaxed kind of person. I try to become more hyper, but I find it a bit hard even when I want to.
I would only become energetic and hyper after few drinks. In nightclubs, I would be the one pushing my friends to dance but I need to drink. However, for the past year, I haven’t been as hyper as before even while drinking.
In other words, I don’t look like the person “full of life”. But I try to.
People already see me as the nice guy, so I don’t think IG is right for me! But what do I know?
Which products would you recommend for me in relation to my description above?
If the forums didn’t exist, my current cart would have been:
Ammo togo
IS togo
A314 spray version B
mx 297
mx 353 (out of curiousity but I may remove it due reduce total price)
With your priorities being to get more energy and activation, you might experiment with TAF. It will change your energy level, much like caffeine. 12.5 mcg would be a high dose for most people, but if you have a low energy level, then your tollerences may be different. Multple sprays, most people will have insomnia - great for cramming for exams week, etc. It will get attention socially. Booster for your mixes. Lower amounts 1.25 - 2.5 will be anti-procrastination.
TAF compares to P102. As a fidgety and high-energy person, I find 1-2 sprays of 2.5 mcg P102 quite activating. It’s like my whole brain lights up and starts burning more energy, that is the feeling, someone replaced your old batteries (if you were a robot). I think on a cat-scan my brain would be all lit up - everyone around you too.
IG is a good base to try other things on top of. It’s social and friendly.
Not sexual per-se. Not the boss.
A314 is the boss, if that’s what you want, but it’s not mr fun.
Being in control of the circle is not the same as being mr popular. Power requires holding people at some distance - a sense of your territory. eRone may do this. 5 mcg is good. You might experiment just with eRone and/or IG, and TAF or P102.
A commercial line that is like caffeine buzz is Shine.
I suspect TAA, bosted with TAF.. just a wild guess. Could be more complex than that.
Coffee house vibe, where you are the source of the vibe.
FWI - shine is least effective in coffee houses - everyone is already buzzed - hard to pin it to you.
keep in mind that TAA in shine leaves the skin very quickly - you get 2, maybe 3 hours off it max.
You could get a to-go of TAA - 7.5 roughly 2x SHINE equivalent. And some TAF, compare the effects to get an idea how you respond. Add this to A314 or IG as a base.
I enjoy P75. Try 5 mcg. It’s quite potent and stimulating. Gives a masculine territorial sense.
MX297 may be the mr party vibe, the man of the party, if that is what you were going for.
Yes, P75 and MX297 were the ones that leapt into my mind when I read this, although something else may be better advised for the personal dynamic issues?
Thank you for the replies! Although I’m more confused now as new additions have been made!
P75, TAA, TAF, P102.
It seems there’s a small difference between TAF and P102. I did some research, I don’t think I will get P102.
Will do more research for TAF.
So IS only lasts for 2-3 hours?
so TAF+TAA will be equivalent to IS 2x . I believe it’s cheaper if I get a IS 2x instead.
Does IG exude “nice guy” energy? If so, then I don’t want it. But if not, please let me know because I’m still confused about IG and A314.
I have a feeling that IG should be better in my case but I can’t really find concrete description of what kind of results IG gives. I’m leaning more towards A314 because there are many reports about it on the forums. Yet, I have a feeling people will become intimated by me, not sure if I really want that.
I do want to have some respect by people (I’m not being derespected but it’s still nice)
So current wishlist:
IS
P75 MX297
A314 or IG (still not sure between the two)
I don’t think I will buy Ammo because (1) I will get mx297 and (2) I already have my old 2007 Ammo (even though it stinks)
PS: Which scent does MX297 come with? I’d like to have all pheros to smell the same
I have had a lot of success with P75 combined with Ig and half-sprays of heat from a 30 ml, if you read my journal.. It is a good daily combo. Ig is a great simple base upon wich to test out other mollecules.
On the other hand a314 is great one spray product solo. Just keep in mind its a compliance product first and foremost. It requires you take charge.
No, IG is a smart/dashing/youthful status - The sort of guy who is going places as opposed to A314’s chairman of the board. Any “nice guy” impression is entirely up to you, whatever you use. It is perfectly possible to be a smart, young, dashing jerk with IG.
27 is a difficut age TBH, you are just on the borderline between the ideal age-ranges for IG and A314. Very broadly, IG suits a young/younger-outlook crowd better than A314, which really comes into its own around more mature/post-30 people. So it depends a lot on the people around you.
Its just that to project a more social/people-centred personality, you may do better with IG rather than A314, which can be more difficult/remote/standoffish in social situations. You could come to that later if you do OK with IG.
Either way, don’t combine P75 with A314 in mixes if you don’t want to intimidate - Those two together can seem very severe indeed. IG will benefit though, esp with another social or TAF in the mix.
Also remember that whatever else is in IS, it also helps to prolong its activity considerably and give the TAA a much brighter feelgood impression. TAA on its own is much more laid back and 90mins-2hrs is more its active range.
MX297 is an all-action social, it does not contain Androstenone so its not an alternative to Ammo. if you want a sexual, all the options you discuss are well-balanced/moderated social/status, so you could effectively sexualise them with a little TUTH instead. If your sister smelled piss, it looks like she is particularly sensitive to the scent of Androstenone and is liable to smell it through anything, no matter how strong the cover. This happens but thankfully, not everyone is so sensitive.
have you tried higher amounts of IO? The character is quite different at 4-5 sprays. It really takes flight socially. Unfortunately it’s expensive now and A-nol dissapates quickly. Still, there’s nothing else quite like it. You could spike it with extra TAF and spray it over a drop or two of A314 as a base. The oil is a deal vs. the spray, and 'mones seem to last longer if you spray over the oil base. This may buy you more life out of the IO. A314 was designed to be complemented by extra A-nol/B-nol to increase socialization/communication, and for friendly sexy but not sexual-per-se situations a 1/2 spray of heat from a 30 ml (or grab a 1.5 mcg, or less, eNone experimone bottle).. eNone works better to add it incrementally in small doses over time. Throwing in TAF is going to turn up the volume/buzz - grab more attention
I ended up making an order yesterday. The order was made before the last 2 replies.
P75 (30ml - 2.5micrograms/spray) …I noticed that the 5ml and 30ml of 2.5 micrograms/spray is the same price. Not sure how is that possible, but I ordered the 30ml. I know you have suggested 5mcg iwatkins but after reading some posts, many have 2.5 as a sweet spot compared to 5mcg. So I thought applying 2 sprays to get 5mcg is easier to do than half a spray of 5.
I find it weird that you were both suggesting TUTH because you seem to be using TUTH for regular use. I thought it was mainly “to go to the next level with someone”. i thought ammo is a safer bet to reduce hard rejection from projecting a very strong sex vibe.
I have regreted not buying A314. Not to replace IG but in addition. I actually wanted to rush home to ask if I can cancel/edit my order to add A314 along with above cart but it was too late; the order is shipped. I’m really curious to try it. I wanted to observe the effect for fun. For example, go to grocery store and see how people would react. Or at the gym where I know many people there and see how different they would react on that single day. In a way, I wanted to play around with it; especially since I bought IO which is recommended for use to ease down A314. Oh well…
One question, can P75 be considered a substitute (on some level) to ammo? Or are all the items I have bought literally are social pheros?
Not sure what my first mix will be, can’t wait . Thinking P75 on its own or P75 with a spray of IO. But also not sure what the best location is.
2.5 mcg P75 is a good place to start out. many people find more than that hard to handle, but you get used to it. It took me a while. Higher levels have some pretty amazing effects. I am used to 5 mcg now and can handle 10 mcg many days. You will notice self-fx at this dose and some positive responses. The effect on others is much more obvious at 7.5-10 mcg. Try 3-4 sprays - arms and neck, at a party some time, with a bit of IG thrown in, you will see what I mean. Might give you a migrane if you haven’t worked up to it… some people have a much higher tolerance. If you ever pick up TAC, this blocks the overstimulation of P75, and also TAC is kind of like viagra for the women, and very relaxing, stops arguments… run the TAC at the same level as P75.
P75 is a kind of power trip. think of it as the Patriarch signal. all the ladies belong to me. ladies interpret the power signal as safety, where the men seek to avoid it. it blocks male aggression. it’s not sexual per-se, although power can be arousing, but a sense of ownership of your surroundings and anyone/anything within those boundaries. As the level goes up you can clear the room of men, and the women will get closer, seeking you. Although some of the most problematic males will be left behind and kind of hang on to you.. watch out for that. Combining P75 : eNone at 3:1 works great with all ladies - so 3 of P75, 1 of heat. You can raise the ratio of eNone more with many people. Result, the ladies feel safely aroused. a sense of being turned on, under your protection.
P75 works great with 1-2 sprays of IG
take the power trip, and add Charisma.
adding 1-2 sprays of the 2x IO and/or 1 of shine should be a lot of fun.
super social! Talk your heads off, and/or super happy buzz feeling
Ammo has 2.5 mcg of eNone per spray
Heat has 2.5 mcg of eNone per spray
main difference is Ammo has 2.5 eRone per spray as well
Many women can turn on you at any moment with more than about 2 mcg of eNone on. 1.5 mcg seems to be work-safe and generally seems to improve things. 2.5 mcg is a bit edgy. This is why I add 1/2 spray of Heat to any mix, it’s on.y 1.5 mcg. The 30 ml does good 1/2 sprays. Makes you seem sexy, but not too overtly sexual.
The main obvious effect of A314 is that everyone appologizes to me all the time. Respect hits all the time. People do what you tell them to do. Compliance.
But P75 gives you compliance as well. Just other men don’t like it so much. At 2.5, it’s light, more of a respect “bro” effect from the tougher guys. not all the guys will be happy, but they will sense the power vibe and won’t test you. A314 is more hypnotic compliance, it’s a different thing. I get tested with A314 if I don’t act bossy enough, which usually don’t.
I’ve done up to 17 sprays 2x IO. I really didn’t like that!
TBH, IO, esp high-dose IO maybe does not suit my personality very well and that it does not do so-well with the sort of mature/status mixes that seem to do well with me, so other than use in places where conversation is difficult at the best of times or as a buffer for very overt None or P75 (which is where it excels for me) and social steering for P79, I tend to prefer IH/IS nearly every time.
They have changed their pricing structure on togos recently, to accommodate microdoses, which with some pheros (incl P75) is the way forward for some people. Brian has a thread in the Store Forum explaining more.
2.5mcg is a good starting dose for P75 - considering your age, you might need to go higher, so use multiple sprays. 5-7.5mcg is my range for most things with it but much younger guys may need to dilute it further. Personally, this is one I’d always get in 30ml!
That’s TUTH alone or when used as a primary in a mix. Your discussed/potential mixes already contain Androsterone and an element of social steering, so the Nol and Rone in Ammo are largely superfluous - in fact they may complicate or hamper matters as it is already a well balanced mix and you will simply end-up balancing the balancing elements, which will force any Androsterone even further back in the mix.
For you, the purpose of TUTH would be to tune the sexual element of the mix to suit your body chemistry and the people around you - and that is better done with either TUTH or plain Androstenone so you can raise or lower it as needed without having to consider other complicating factors. Very broadly, a good/balanced mix will have a social, sexual and status element - You already have status and social covered, so just need to find the sexual. Once you have some practice with the mixes, you will know better how to skew the proportions to suit different people/situations
Also, by 27, and around similar-aged women, you can use more/more overt Androstenone compared to a younger guy.
No, P75 is not really a substitute for Ammo as it is a very particular masculine/attractive vibe. One of the most distinctive in AD’s roster. It will still serve you well.
Thank you guys for your recent replies! The last of each of your replies were very descriptive and helpful. I have to say though that due to that, I feel my order is lacking an ingredient now (tuth) to complete the forumla. I wish I have not rushed through the order but I was excited and I thought P75 would be somehow sexual. Hopefully they won’t empower me as a social guy while decreasing my sexual aura (which u will see in my below story)
I have decided to re-use what’s left with my 2007 stack and after seeing the results, I can’t wait for my order to arrive! I live in Canada so I guess they are stuck in customs now.
First experience (pheros did their job so it should be positive, but I was not very happy with results)
IO (2x strength)
IS
I don’t remember the number of sprays though. I went out to a coffee place with 6 female friends. I haven’t seen one of them for around 8 years. I commuted with one of them and I felt I was too talkative. In my opinion, it was more of a negative thing because thinking back, I noticed that it’s as if I was always looking for a subject to talk about. At the coffee place, all of us talked but I felt too “friend zoned”. Even though I have never done anything sexual with any of them, except one (the same girl that I have commuted with), I still felt like I was the so-called “gay friend”. That includes the girl I have commuted with. Later that night, I got a message on FB from the girl that I haven’t seen for ~8 years. She started with “when is the next outgoing, we haven’t talked much!”. After a bit of talking, she asked if I go out with the girls often because I get along well with them. The truth is, this the first time I go out with them to a coffee place. We usually go out in groups to bars and clubs with our male friends. So the fact that she saw that, she probably seems me as the sociable, non-sexual guy. So the pheros did their job but I should’ve balanced with a sexual mone.
Experience 2: Instant Honesty (wow!!)
I have my father’s appartment for myself this week. So I brought this girl that I’ve been dating for few months now. I wore a spray of IH behind each ear. IO on my front neck and 2 spray of IS on my arms. This girl is a caring person but she tries not to reveal too much about her. Therefore, she’s mostly a listener, she likes to “be there” for people. However, those two days, she talked a lot! She told me stories when she was in her early 20s. She told me about her sisters’ ex fiances when I asked her about them, etc. She eventually told me how come she’s the one doing all the talking. On the second day, I’ve asked her what made her open up like that; is it because it’s the first time she comes to the appartment and she feels cozy? She said “no, I just felt like it”. To me, that was an amazing result!
. Thinking P75 on its own or P75 with a spray of IO. But also not sure what the best location is.