Imagine An Awesome life...Without Pheromones

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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Sorry, I might be not able to get explain clearly, I am tired but…

What are your opinions on pheromones usage. We hear the 90% you and 10% pheromones. If this is true, then you would think the best thing to do first would be to work on the biggest factor first, YOU?

I know people have found pheromones have helped them greatly, way before they sorted their self out, and that’s great. Would it be even better to sort them self’s out first, then use pheromones?

There is apart of me that feels that if I want to use pheromones to get better results in certain areas of my life, then obviously there are some hidden issues that need to be sorted. If it be inner game, confidence, self-esteem. Or even fashion, career, education, health, fitness..etc. Whatever it may be.

I see new people coming to pheromones as a savior, not really getting to the route course of their problems, symptoms. Until, during pheromone use or after, or never. Maybe myself included!

I have only been using pheromones sparingly lately and I am just wondering, isn’t it possible to be ‘‘THIS GOOD’’ without pheromones. Is that not what we should be working towards?

In your opinion, whats better. Sort your self out before, during or after pheromones use?

Can you imagine getting the results you want, without pheromones? We know it is possible, anything is possible.

What do you think about having this crutch for pheromones? to REALLY want that 10%?

Why do you use pheromones?

What is the difference between using pheromones to feel good and snorting cocaine, shagging a 5 dollar whore or getting pissed to feel good?

How would your life be different if pheromones never existed?

I thought I would throw this out there!

Topic is now open for discussion :smiley:

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Awesome post. Far too many will credit success or blame failure on the product. At that point it’s a crutch, not a tool. As I stated in my Gold and A314 topic. Mones are like a great ad campaign, but the product has to deliver as advertised…that means BEING what you are selling with your signal.

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My life would not be too different, only harder. Since I’ve been using phermones in the last 2 months Ive…scored a job as a bartender in NYC having no previous experience & gotten laid, both with the kinda ease I wouldn’t have thought possible. Could I have done them without mones? Yes. but not nearly as easy as I did it with mones. But there it is.

So to me they only make things easier but you have to be able to “do that thing” in the 1st place.

When IG comes in I plan on buying 2 or 3 bottles If i can afford it as well as 2 or 3 of A314. god forbid they ever stop selling it.

Now that I know about them and use them with results. I kinda don’t forsee my self not using them. Sorta like I don’t think I’ll quit exercising…the benefits are too great.

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See but you acknowledge that you have to do pretty much the same thing that you would do without the mones, it’s an edge, no more.

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The biggest effect I’ve noticed with pheromones is that they reduce the amount of effort that’s needed on your part to get a desired effect. A few examples…
Try to command a group (no mones) = might take a while, but you’ll get there if you’re assertive enough.
Try to command a group (+A314) = give it 5 minutes and you have everyone listening.

Hit on a 10 at a club (no mones) = best game, everything on point, 50-50 chance of pulling her.
Hit on a 10 at a club (good mix) = decent game, 70% chance of pulling her.

Of course these are not absolutes, but it’s definitely been my experience with pheromones. They just make things easier to come by. Another thing to keep in mind is that many times after taking on a particular persona from wearing certain mones multiple times, you start to have those same characteristics even when you aren’t wearing any pheromones. Another example…

I used to have weekly group meetings with fellow classmates where we discussed patient cases. I’m a natural leader and tried to steer the group (not be bossy, just steer), but I found myself being kind of reserved. After wearing a variety of combos (best for this was A314 and IH) taking control of the group was flawless. After a while, even when I wasn’t wearing any mones, I still got the same respect and attention I was getting with them on, and found myself asserting myself like when I had them on. The effects were more pronounced with the mones, but they were still there without them.

Pheromones don’t make the man, the man makes the pheromones.

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Yeah, with the current mones I have, they amplify a certain signature. But yes i do acknowledge that one must still “do whatever action” to get the result, only with mones…its just sooo much easier. I’ve always been told to “fake it till you make it” well with mones its just soo much easier to fake :slight_smile:

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I agree 100% I have been using them way less sense I first started out here…
I simply don’t feel like I need them as much anymore. I’ve kind grown used to people treating me differently since using mones, and I guess subconsciously I have grown to except to be treated that way, and it shows in how I handle myself.

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My rule is: 100% you and X% the mones :wink:

The mones just amplify how awesome you are, or not :stuck_out_tongue:

Snorting cocaine is a different world, thats far away from anything that mones can do…concerining the self effects.

Maybe just sorting yourself out with the help of the mones would be the best option not :smiley:?

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As much as I’d like to think otherwise I have this aching feeling that pheromones will have some underlying ramifications that haven’t been discerned as of yet.

We treat them like medications yet all they really do is cover up things we don’t want other people to see about us. Everyone likes to use the verb “amplify” in terms of whats there. The fallacy I find with such a statement is that from my own personal experience pheromones give me social attributes or demeanors that I wouldn’t normally exercise in lots of cases. They aren’t amplifying me there basically giving me nuances that I would never really have unless a lot of self realization and lots of self help were being integrated with myself. But even then certain molecules and certain signatures are totally unlike myself and make me act/ talk in ways that I would never be like otherwise.

Now I can also agree that if you don’t play the same fiddle as the persona given off by what your wearing then the pheromones have less effect than if in unison with it. We preach the 90/10 rule to support healthy thinking in terms of the use of pheromones and what to expect but I will vouch that they can certainly do more than 10 percent. They may not be drugs but many of us probably conceptualize pheros in the light that “OH if I use that this’ll happen or OH if I have that I can get this done”.

I don’t wanna state the obvious but Pheromones among many other things has the capacities of being used in shady ways. They aren’t toys and responsibility does have to be implemented and maintained when using them. Theres more than a dozen ways I could imagine troublemakers using pheromones to enhance their “entertainment” in people filled environments.

I use them as a social lubricant. I’ve had quite a few opportunities with women but that isn’t really my goal. It may seem lame to use pheros for social attributes yet sex for the sake of sex is a double edged sword at least in my case.

I’m not a person people highly regard or a person of mention. I’m a person that is most definitely eccentric, quirky to the point where I don’t know where I fit into society and wonder if I actually have a prescribed place whether now or in the future. With mones I don’t have to put up with bullshit from anyone normally. I’m a soft spoken person and my personality makes it hard for me to be assertive or to express how I really feel or where I really stand. But unlike some people I realize at the end of the day that the signatures I wear aren’t really me and most of them I probably will never be.

I don’t know about other people’s experiences but pheromones are simply a facade to me. I use them to cover what I don’t like while giving a boost to either things that I believe I need to work on or attributes that I’m already well versed with. I don’t gain any ego from getting blatant respect from men or blatant sexual hits from women. The girls may have been attracted to me without the mones and the men may have shown me respect without the mones but certainly not in the way mones bring it about.

Have mones made me a better person? Certainly not. Every year that goes by I find people I meet and get to know better more intolerable. Its always been a a habit of mine to look for the flaws in other people. I may not be perfect but pheromones are a way of protecting myself from the ugliness exhibited by other people. Reality is not a pretty thing in my eyes and pheromones are the only shield at my disposal.

I’m already wondering what other people are gonna think when they read this haha :smiley:

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There is also something to be said for having something that makes you stand out. I have been around people whose smell is incredibly enticing. Highly doubtful this was mones (synthetic), but more of experiencing the equivalent of charisma via smell. Odors can have an significant effect on people without mones, and coupled with the placebo effect of wearing a “magic potion” that increases someone’s confidence, could be a recipe for some unique responses to your new behavior.

This is the struggle that mones are constantly facing. Placebo or true chemical responses.

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When I see men and women act really strange that most likely isn’t a placebo effect to me because I see things as they are and I dont try to sugar coat or embellish what I’m seeing and often times I do the exact opposite. Self effects certainly can be placebo but when you have people doing things and saying thats that either don’t make sense or just doesn’t fit you can’t simply dismiss it as “the norm”. While that may not be a scientifically sound method of understanding something the scientific method cannot soundly prove something like pheros in all likeliness.

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During my senior year of high school, i was pulling in girls all day without mones, didnt even knew they existed, but then my whole social life fell apart, and pheromones are what got me back in the game. And the times when i start to fall back down and i rely on the pheromones to do everything, its a huge reality check- having wasted a heavy dose of mones for nothing. sometimes when i’m out clubbing or partying, i say “they arent working! i need more!!!” and go apply more, just to have the same exact results as before i added more… and its then you have to realize when you have an awesome life pheromones are the whipped cream of your ice cream life. but without the ice cream, its just a shallow pointless can of whipped cream, worth nothing unless you have the ice cream first.

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Very much about our nature is hidden,especially to ourselves...we can be radiating social signals that we are completely oblivious to… but… so is everyone else… we live in a universe where we are strangers to ourselves, unless we find ourselves in tribal cultures where there is shamanistic or ritualistic tuning up of the mirror neurons and members of the tribe become psychological mirrors of us… often we have little understanding of how and why we affect others in the ways that we do… there is much mystery between people… I suspect on a social level pheromones DO activate mirror neuron responses, so there is a natural increase of tribe-like in sync ness… however, being products of an atomistic, alienated, consumerist, and to some extent darwinian culture we don’t always know what to do with this information… I’ve heard mention of psychotherapists who use MDMA, exstasy, in their marriage counseling practices… and here one has couples who have been together for a decade, or decades, who suddenly find that they are communicating in ways that they never knew how to communicate… the therapist’s most difficult task may be supporting the couple as they discover that they have lived the best years of their lives with a barren, artificial kabuki of a marriage that came about to satisfy social expectations. :cool:.. to use an awfully bad pun-metaphor, a bitter pill to swallow indeed…

Some truths are too painful to look at. Or one is socialized from an early age into the belief that “one doesn’t go there”… Pheromones may have a vastly different impact with people who are at ease with their true selves than it will with people who are severely blocked or in deep denial…

Pheromones seem to liberate the natural self to some extent, if one applies them around brittle or artificial personalities, they may feel a surge of openness followed by a severe need to clamp down and reassert control over their ego states…

If used well and in the right context with a degree of consciousness, they also seem to powerfully flex the mirror neurons… the larger question at that point is what your beliefs about the connected awareness that mirror neurons cause mean to you.

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define ramifications

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It really hasn’t been thought through all the way what would actually happen if pheromones have come out and about on a global scale. Now I myself can’t offer any good predications but it is quite a subject to ponder.

When I mentioned ramifications I wasn’t instigating pheromones as being something bad or perhaps something to be concerned with health wise. The problem is that exercising healthy thinking in terms of the use of them seems logical and easy enough yet even I have fallen into a vortex from time to time thinking that pheromones will fix everything. To be an addict is to be dependent on something. Its hard to define where that stands in terms of pheromones while being a very easy thing to understand when it comes to alcohol usage.

I feel as time has went on I’ve actually had to use “more” sprays and more micrograms to feel like I’ve experienced or noticed something within my social stratosphere. When I first started using mones hits were very blatant. Now that I don’t see them that often it makes me wonder if my mind has simply gotten used to some the craziness that goes on or that mones have lost their effectiveness. Now I myself don’t really care for the blatant hits from people because it causes me to be bewildered and taken aback anyhow. But theres a small part of me thats always searching for those really over the top hits that I got when I first started “using”. My mind certainly shifts outlook wise and thinking wise when I use pheromones so in the sense of the idea of “mind altering substance” I believe it can be akin to drugs.

Now I know I’m gonna have some argument from because people will take it as me calling pheros drugs but I’m simply making a comparison which in my mind seems feasible.

I do take days off not only only reset and replenish neuros but to remind myself that I can function perfectly fine without pheromones and they are simply something that I have fun with.

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No product can make anyone a better person. That comes from the desire to be more than what you already are and the will to pursue that. What you state about pheromones covering up things we don’t want people and giving you social nuances you wouldn’t have otherwise is pretty accurate. It’s an advertising campaign in simplest terms. Not to sound presumptuous but you seem conflicted about the ethics of your own use of the products. If I had to guess it’d be likened to the feeling of false advertising. Using the mones to convey something you don’t feel is the “real you”.
A lot of times when companies hire an advertising agency to boost their sales they undergo a total rebranding of the product. They don’t stop at some attention getting TV and radio spots, they alter the logo and packaging, and change the basic formula. To make a related analogy Old Spice came out with new lines of products and new fragrances designed to appeal to younger buyers that have been buying trendier packaged items like Axe, Tag and Blade. Now to be honest I don’t know how effective this has been on their sales but the method of changing who they are inside and out is the best course of action. Use a product that communicates something false about you and the backlash of false advertising is become an issue. One of the things I’ve noticed for example is when I use A314, the people I work with have higher expectations of me. Leading me to conclude that if a person isn’t prepared for a position of leadership and responsibility then it might be a poor choice of product to use. If you want the image of a leader and the perks that come with that then you have to do far more than apply the mones. You need to work on yourself. If you want the results that come from ANY pheromone product without the false advertising bumps in the road you need to rebrand yourself and become what you are advertising.
Granted that part alone will in the long term most likely pay the same dividends, the correct use of mones will smooth the transition and acceptance of the signal will come much quicker. Plus there will be no moral quandary resulting from the feeling that one is a fraud.

So the question is, what ideally do you want from the mones, and what changes in the self can you work on to become (as opposed to acting) congruent with that signal?

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The mind is highly adaptive…with drug use this is known as tachyphylaxis, the once magical drug does less and less as the user consumes more and more…

The mind adapts to social signaling… the environment that was novel and challenging quickly becomes second nature…

Was once in as seminar when I decided to employ social pheros to increase the room participation… to my horreur this dickface behind me becomes a volcanic eruption of assholism… apparently it didn’t take much to free his inner child…others engaged in bits and pieces of mildly out of context behavior, as if the lid never was bolted on all that tightly in the first place…

Was this in any way useful or constructive ? I’m not sure because we couldn’t run the day a second time minus the pheros… from a learning standpoint, they didn’t make people any deeper or wiser or add qualities that weren’t there to begin with, yes it did add texture, people were more present, more themselves, discussions had greater energy… no latent genius emerged…:roll_eyes:

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My use of pheromones are simply a form of escapism for me. I use them for mostly social context because eliciting sex and garnering respect aren’t really my prerogative. I use them because they temporarily make up for my flaws within the confines of social ineptness and social awkwardness. Simply put in a lot of instances I’m the black duckling. Pheromones as well as some good acting on my part makes me seen as a normal yellow duckling. I know my limitations and I have no ignorant notions of grandeur as a phero user as things only go as far as my motivations and actions will take me.

I suppose you can say I’m conflicted with my use of pheromones. All my life I’ve dealt with many people who put on facades and act two faced around me. I don’t expect people to show me their true honest selves but all the underhandedness and political correctness people employ to further there ambitions have left me skeptical of people in general. Pheromones are a way of neutralizing that factor and taking me out of the equation. I find the idea of being a fake and a fraud deplorable so its a perception that goes against my use of mones. At the same time I don’t feel compelled to rectify my contradiction by being absolutely “congruent” either because being myself is important to me even when I’m wearing pheromones. People in general disappoint me and that includes my closest friends and family. I can’t live my life without having expectations of people so instead of expecting good from people like I did at one time I expect people to not be dependable, not be loyal, to be selfish, and to realize that no matter how long you’ve known a person they can always be turned against you (within the parameters of my own life experience). The fact that I’m self righteous probably makes what I’m saying even more overbearing.

I’m a person thats easily misunderstood. As a child family meant the world to me. Now as I get older I feel like I despise my family and for the most part I don’t want to see my relatives anymore. Perhaps I’ve reached a level of neuroticism I never thought possible but I find myself looking for flaws and nitpicking at whatever I can find about people I’m around whether at work or at school or anywhere. I think I look for the flaws in people so that if they do or act or talk in a way that I find displeasing that at least I can attribute it to something and negate the angst or disappoint that I constantly harbor towards people in normal instances.

Pheromones do not make me satisfied with people but at least they help me avoid being disappointed as such. For me thats a big deal. I guess with all that mumbo jumbo I was saying I’m highly critical of people and I expect a lot if not too much.

I’m not gonna knock other people who have “changed” themselves but I believe that at the core people never really change. I mean this in the sense that my core personality is what it is and I’m surely not going to change anything but perhaps add certain subtleties over time either with age or rapt motivation. Social dynamics, Mystery method, PUA I consider those things a very different aspect of self improvement and by which I’m not really interested in. The way I’d like to be and the way I am are WORLDS apart.
I have to accept who I am if I want any chance of living successfully in my own skin.

I wrote this long and boring post specifically for RAD :smiley:

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“where your head is at” w/r/t multitude of perceptions can, make that a sure fire WILL, change over time… aspects of reality, social and otherwise, that one is sure are carved deep into granite on this day may seem as ephemeral as clouds on the next day…

I’ve known my share of what one might be called the ultra-privileged kids in one phase of growing up… (thanks to a certain school that I was admitted into against all odds)… you might say the landed nobility of the american upper class… you’d think that they would be the most carefree of all people, however this was terribly far from the truth… it seems that even in the innocent days of high school everybody was trying to “cultivate” them, to create a sense of connection that they were not so sure they wanted for themselves… that which should have been a golden time was social water torture for them, nobody could be trusted, the prettiest friendships disguised finely honed blades of ambition, envy, and the smarmy malarky of the hustle… their faces had already become masks of distrust by age 15… they had to assume that every gesture meant the opposite… people were already telling them what they wanted to hear, or what they guessed they wanted to hear… I think I got on well with them because I was too damn naive to know who they were, which says more for my backwardness at the time than any ethical superiority… basically a foulmouthed country dude coming from a place were civilized conversation involved beer, chewing tobacco, larger caliber handguns, outlandish braggartry, critters, and guys named Bubba… you can imagine these mid-air collisions of perspective and worldview…

Man, if i’d had access to pheromones back then ?, Lawdy mama… prob.would have been absolute unfettered madness that some precious chickos would be living down to this day… :open_mouth: :smiley: :stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

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I always appreciate your posts tacitus :slight_smile:. I still can’t fathom how I’ll really change and I suppose I have to see that for myself. The way I’ve conducted myself around people hasn’t changed from perhaps the age of 11 to the ripe age of almost 23 now. If I think all those years back I was doing the same shit I’m doing now.

My thinking is different and what I like to do is different but I’m still the same with the exception of the learning curve of life, puberty, and being bogged down by the fact that “I’m supposed to make something of myself” without really knowing how to go about it.