Information on Copulins

Ladies, I wanted to share this information with you, as it seems Copulins are a hot topic. Hope it provides some insight :slight_smile:

Here’s the full Site, for those interested in further reading.

Copulins - Vaginal aliphatic acids

A class of aliphatic acids was found in female rhesus monkeys that produced six types in the vaginal fluids. The combination of these acids is referred to as “copulins”. One of the acids, acetic acid, was found in all of the sampled female’s vaginal fluid. Even in humans one-third have all six types of copulins, which increase in quantity prior to ovulation. Copulins are used to signal ovulation; however, as human ovulation is concealed it is thought that they may be used for reasons other than sexual communication.

How are copulins transmitted?

There are two ways copulins can transmit from female to male: through the air, and by direct genital contact. copulins and their “support” fluids are produced in the vaginal walls, and a small amount of copulins exists at all times within the vagina, usually near the opening. When a woman breathes, the movement causes minute amounts of copulins to become airborne. If she is stationary for an extended period of time, the copulins will eventually exist in the air around her; however, it appears to take some time for copulins to escape clothing fabric and actually become airborne. Like pheromones, airborne copulins are transmitted from female to male via the male’s VNO organ inside the nasal cavity.

Effect of copulins on the Male subconscious:

When copulins are present within the male hypothalamus, many changes occur.

  1. Copulins “disguise” themselves as the male’s polypeptides, which are neurotransmitters–the link of communication between the hypothalamus and the rest of the brain and body. Because copulins are more “aggressive” than polypeptides, they easily supplant the host’s neurotransmitters. Moreover, copulins appear to be addictive.

  2. By controlling the hypothalamus’ communication link with the rest of the body, it also can access the nearby limbic system, which is the brain’s center for the retaining of memories. The copulins shut off the link to the limbic system, thereby preventing any current activity from being remembered. The male will have hazy memories of well-being, but cannot remember anything while the limbic system is not communicating.

  3. Now here is the process that is still not fully understood: Once the copulins have replaced the polypeptides, the sensory input of the male is controlled. Although the male can receive any normal sensory input (sight, smells, auditory, etc.), the female can vocally change what the male perceives and/or remembers. Research has demonstrated that only the voice of the female who produced the copulins can have any effect. Males shut out all other voices and did not respond to other females’ voices in the lab, nor voices from a speaker.
    How the hypothalamus is caused to filter all but a single voice is what is not understood.
    During this time, the female can vocally do the following:
    A) Change, remove, or insert memories.
    B) Tell the male what he sees, hears, feels, smells, tastes.
    C) Insert subconscious thoughts that will surface as male “ideas” or behavior later.
    D) Plant trigger words or actions that can cause thoughts, actions, or sensations in the male at later dates (days, weeks, even months).

This is that crazy womens site that thinks copulins can cause mind control. It is absolutely untrue.

They have a group that preaches controlling men LOL. The information there is not accurate at all and they have absolutely no research to back their claims.

Copulins are not hormones nor are the technically pheromones. They are lipids and fatty acids.

Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.

Tisha

This might be a more productive thread. I haven’t verified all of the info, but the distinction as far as acetic acid seems correct. Propanoic acid and acetic are both carboxylic acids with a chain structure. They have only carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. However, prop. is a fatty acid. Note the only difference between prop. and Valeric is the length of the zigzag chain. Substances like valeric are notorious for awful odor. Valerian really has a dirty socks odor.

Acetic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Valeric acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Propanoic acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of interest is that, to me at least, the ExperiMone androstenone produces an odor I would best describe as vinegar-like. Other None products produce a urine smell. Some putatives people state have a nasty odor. I’m not the cops expert, but my recollection from clinical texts (outside the mones context) is that most of these secretions aim at preserving pH and an anti-microbial environment. Just like with the holistic male pheromone signature, the female sig. at any given moment reflects genetic and physiologic mating fitness.

This is probably more than I should be reading today (shrug), but it keeps with modern thinking that the body will take care of itself rather well and that these secretions are part of that. A bit of cops and odor is probably a sign of good health. Clinical pathology is decidedly unsexy…especially textbook color plates.

http://womenshealth.gov/publications/our-publications/fact-sheet/douching.cfm

Again, not a cops expert, but something tells me plant oils (eugenol) would make good cover. Some of these smelly substances (indole) can be masked this way. You’ve seen in movies how cops use vapor rub under the nose around a dead body. Clove oil, wintergreen oil, menthol, camphor.

Oh great. I finally lure Tisha to one of my threads, and she hates it!
:wink:

I’m not making any claim to its legitimacy, just thought it was interesting and wanted to share!

LOL Its not that I hate it, I know your just sharing. Some sites can look so legit. This one I am quite familiar with. They also have this yahoo group that teaches how to turn men into slaves using cops. Of course its a bunch of bull.

If it were true I would be a very rich women though (snort) :wink:

Where’s the “Men-Into-Slaves” forum? Not that enslaving or being enslaved is an experience I’m seeking. But the idea that women would want to go to the trouble… Bunny boilers? Cougars in search of the rich neurosurgeon they can lock in the basement and drain the bank acct.? What would be the motive? Usually guys obsess with seduction. I’ve heard of using A1 to beat a man down (so to speak). Are there women here trying to enslave men with cops? You could skip the synthetic cops and just use straight up natural ones in the form of sex. Seduces men pretty well.

raises hand

not to draw the thread off topic but i’m attempting to make the fallout mix of all fallout mixes with my sights on a male target…

A1, you say? would love some elaboration on why/how much.

LOL No there are no women here trying to enslave men and you cant enslave men with copulins or pheromones any more then you can enslave a women with Anone.

The rumor of women trying to beat men down by using A1 is just that. A rumor designed to explain why AD doesn’t sell it anymore. While A1 can cause a down feeling in a handful of men it doesn’t cause clinical depression. Just like any pheromone it can be misused though. Frankly I see more adverse affects reported with TAA and the crash effect.

The" men to slaves group" is not a forum. Its a private group and they don’t call it that. copulins : Female Hormones, Copulins

I had a friend infiltrate it long time ago LOL

We also talked about it here a few times

Tisha

re: that site, the world is an interesting, interesting place…

re: A1, oh. ‘down’ meant actually ethos/pathos down. not, tied himself up in chocolate ribbons and waiting for me at the door, down.

damn. nevermind :wink:

A woman wearing TAL (lets say 12.5 mcg for starters) 3-5 sprays IH and cops would probably induce fallout if attraction is present and if the man is romantically prone. If he doesn’t want to bond, he won’t be responsive to the TAL and IH. I’ve never been artificially copped, so I’d have to take an educated guess on that. Just the T A L and I H alone (if I wear it) is going to be an emotional rope a dope. I’ve seen grown men get teary eyed me wearing 12.5 of L (why I usually now only use 1/10 that for steering). 5 sprays of I H for some women and *some men is a mind fck. The target cannot be an emotional brick, or it won’t work. Think hypnotic trance.

Women don’t have to expend much effort to acquire a benevolent stalker, assuming they are attractive and he’s available. Woman: “Mind if I control you?” Man: “Handcuffs?” Woman: “Not today.” Man: “Sex?” Woman: “Duh.” Man: “Ok.”

Trance, huh?

I can work with that. Totally.

puts TAL in the shopping cart

definitely appreciate the specifics!

You need to remember that a male wearing TAL or any putative is not going to get the exact same reaction from people as when a female wears it. When women wear TAL it brings out more of the alpha strength qualities but when men wear TAL it brings out more of the matriarchal qualities. People will respond emotionally to the matriarch. On women IH usually causes more intimacy and bonding with men. Never seen a trance effect ever with any pheromone. They just do not work that way.

I agree when it comes to sexual encounters the women ten to have more control. The women in that group are not talking about sexual control though. They are talking about total control. Getting a guy to do all the choirs and wait on her hand and foot. No pheromone will do that and copulins certainly wont do it.

While I totally think you should get TAL please don’t expect a trance effect. It doesn’t do that on a women. It garners more attention respect admiration and recognition. Combined with some sexier female mones this can be a turn on for some types of men.

Tisha

Trance is a rather poor descriptor for a response that has few good metaphors. We mone users share a common shortcoming in our efforts: few of us, including I, hold a PhD in science and are published researchers. JV Kohl and Michael Harris are among the handful who are true experts in every sense. Even SteveO, a very skilled man, isn’t a neuroscientist or chemist. I went to the step of deleting my entire journal and beginning anew, intentionally limiting it only to reporting data. It is neither wrong nor right. It simply is. At another users request, I conducted a diffuser test with TAL 12.5 mcg. This employs some theromdynamics beyond passive diffusion. At one time Androtics sold a diffuser. Mine requires far less molecule. It puts the pheromone into the air, so I can experience it passively. My results with this were identical to wearing 12.5 myself. Others, particularly Tacitus, used pheromone on items like a leather belt effectively.

Mind control or hypnosis by pheromone seems impossible. I don’t think anyone would imply mind control is truly possible. There is no scientific basis for that. However, the neurosteroid properties of pheromone have ample reportage. Many modulate GABA in some way. There is probably 80 years clinical use of barbiturate salts (thiopental) as an adjuvant for psychoanalysis. Nearly all Benzodiazepines affect memory in terms of anterograde amnesia and are employed (Ativan) daily for this purpose. We don’t exactly know what THDOC or Betanol does or how it does it. We don’t know why or how IH does what it does. We think THDOC is a GABAa receptor PAM, similar to benzos. I honestly don’t have a word to describe what it feels like to wear six sprays of IH. But it is NOT just bonding. Not to me it isn’t. I’ve seen military combat veterans on the verge of weepy just by my having worn T A L. Absence of proof is no proof of absence. It would be unscientific to say I can prove what pheromones can’t do. Even ten years of mones testing as a hobbyist will never make me a qualified scientist, and I will never be able to make an absolute declaration about what any molecule can or can’t do. I think it mistaken to cloud the tester’s objectivity by telling them what to think, because they will be influenced by that bias.

Can a woman develop some sort of crush, fallout, whatever the hell you care to call it mix? I don’t see why not. Men have been doing it since the inception of A314. Men and women both sometimes have fanciful expectations about pheromones. Those should be put aside. However, I know that women crave experimental opportunities to at least TRY to perfect their own mixes. They may succeed or fail. Given the paucity of female reports, I applaud all experimenters. I’m also keenly aware that other companies actively develop and sell female products (at least claimed) to do what this and other women seek. Without at least some hope that they can use putatives, Instant Sexiness, etc. to achieve results, they will gravitate toward marketing claims of other companies. Whether they should or not is another matter. They will do as they please, my comments notwithstanding. And every absent female user creates a huge deficit or reporting data that is very hard to fill. Pheromones promise nothing, except the opportunity to test and see what happens. But you only have to look at the Women’s Journals vs. the Men’s to see just how the data suffers when women don’t report at all…because someone may have told them the goal is impossible. I think that’s a mistake, but I will keep an open mind.

Simply, over the years we’ve had some people who are science professionals test and report on pheromones. When an expert opinion is called for, I generally defer to their expertise. I think it would be a mistake for any of us to consider ourselves experts in the science of pheromones unless we’ve actually earned the applicable advanced degree. I have not. I can only offer a testing opportunity or hypothesis based upon my own personal testing. Entirely too often, I see promising new female users who just give up. They just stop reporting. They don’t bother to report TAL or much else. I would like to give them reasons to stay, have adventures, have fun and explore. Maybe TAL, IH, Cops and Instant Sexiness won’t do sh*t. Maybe they will. You never know if you don’t try. More female users, more reporting users…it’s all a good thing. Some tests are failures, so some successes. Let’s try to keep the ball rolling, shall we.

Mind control, no. Do I want to follow her about and lust after her? Yes :slight_smile:

On the technicality of are they pheromones or not, they totally fit the dictionary definition of them and I 100% consider them as such.

pher?o?mone ˈferəˌmōn

  1. a chemical substance produced and released into the environment by an animal, esp. a mammal or an insect, affecting the behavior or physiology of others of its species.

You could argue that they don’t have the same chemical backbone as the cholesterol based lines, but that’s beside the point. Men smell them and get hit over the head with desire and boosted testosterone levels (instant wood for me). One old GF used to wake me up by rubbing hers under my nose and while I was still asleep my head/nose would start following her finger about until the strain in my neck and stomach became too much and I’d wake up often in a V position and totally ready to go, but still quite sleepy (she didn’t like the sleepy part). I guess it’s about as close to holding a steak in front of a dog and leading it about.

Scientically Phero(Mones) is derived from Hor(mones). Copulins do not contain hormones they are fatty acids and lipids.

They do act as a pheromone but acting as one doesnt make them offically a pheromone. Many substances act as pheromones but they are not catogorized as pheromones.

Basically a pheromone is a hormone that signals outside of the body.

All that aside they do work rather nicely. :wink: