I seem to have noticed that some of the Androtics products have some of the ingredients disclosed, such as Ammo or Turn up the Heat having -none in them, but many others simply says it contains x amount of different pheromones totalling. While this gives an idea of what it might be like, it isnt very specific. I feel that it would inspire more faith when buying if i knew exact what was in it, such as -none, -Androsterone, alpha/beta -Androstenol, -Androstadienone, copulins or whatever. Does anyone know why Androtics doesnt list the ingredients and if there are any sources where I can get this information?
Specifically, id like to know what is in Instant Openness/Honesty/Shine, and A314, and perhaps the others too. Androtics seems good for someone who wishes to use them practically, but if your an academic and want to know exactly what is in the pheromones or putatives chemically, it isnt very helpful. Its not to say I dont trust the people here, but I would like more information than it contains 4 pheromones of 20mcg which I dont know what each of them are and how much they contribute to the total.
I had the same question a few months ago. They’re protecting their trade secrets. However, after a search of these forums (& Love Scent), I managed to find most of the ingredients of popular products disclosed in forum threads. So I’m sure you can do the same (you’ll need a few hours/days to sort through it). Many products are moving targets and are continually tweaked, albeit the major components tend to remain fairly constant. A314 had some very revealing and detailed info when first released.
Test mixes and Puratives are for advanced users and they dont tell you whats in them for a reason. They want people to test those without pre conceived notions as to what they may do.
You can call Jas and ask her what is in the others and I am sure she will let you know. I think some of them are not listed on the site so they can not be copied by other companys which make sense.
Fair enough, they want to protect their trade secrets but as a consumer, I think I have a right to know what exactly im buying, because afterall, there are so many people selling snake-oil out there, why not lead by example. I mean, whats to stop them selling scented water and marketing it as the new miracle pheromone mix, it reassures the buyer to know what in it and they will continue buying from Androtics because of their reliability. I think it would be quite nice if all the information could be collated and put in a single post, listing each pheromones ingredients and how much there are in there.
I understand about the putatives, and I have no problem for them being unknown for test purposes, but the main pheromone mixes seem to be top secret and I think that works against the advanced user trying to get his pheromone signiture just right. Ive tried to look for the ingredients of Instant Shine and Instant Openness on the forum but there hasnt seemed to be much specifics. I think maybe it has alpha or beta androstenol but I am not sure the ratios or the amount of micrograms of each and what else it is. If anyone knows, could they reply…?
I feel the same way too. I understand that sometimes trade secrets has to be protected like the formula of Coca Cola, but there poses problems when I want to mix products…
For example, if I want to include A314 in a mix, I wouldn’t know if I want to have how much additional none since I don’t know are there any none in A314 and how much. I wouldn’t want to OD on none.
I don’t just use products from Androtics & LS, but other distributors as well. And it poses a problem when I don’t know what’s in any one of the products.
say i know what is in certain products, i probably get a preconcieved notion of what they will do.
i pretty much program my outcome with what i know,right?
for all i know every product could have the same pheros in them in different ratios, if i get different results with 2 different products than no matter what its made of,something has to be said for that.
The ingredients to the Instant Line have been disclosed publicly, though maybe not officially.
Instant Openness - Predominantly Alpha Androstenol
Instant Honesty - Predominantly Beta Androstenol Instant Female Magic - Predominantly Androstadienone
Come Talk to Me - Alpha + Beta Androstenol (1:1 ratio)
Turn Up The Heat - Predominantly Androstenone
Instant Shine - Predominantly TAA
The actual chemical compounds behind the putatives and TA series pheromones are kept secret…understandably to keep competitors from benefiting from their work. Once you familiarize yourself with the pheromones they offer and how they code them its less of an issue
As I recall, Androtics disclosed most of A314 pheromones in the original press release. A314 is about 80% androsterone with the remaining 20% secret pheromones including a small amount of androstenone. As I understand it, each batch is tweaked with additional pheromones so that 20% is a moving target. A few months ago it had a total of 9 pheromones whereas, according to Jasmin, the newest batch has 16 pheromones.
A314 is about 80% androsterone with the remaining 20% secret pheromones including a small amount of androstenone. As I understand it, each batch is tweaked with additional pheromones so that 20% is a moving target. A few months ago it had a total of 9 pheromones whereas, according to Jasmin, the newest batch has 16 pheromones.
Phero content per bottle is displayed under technical information under each product description. The Instant Line does utilize small amounts of other ‘steering’ pheromones, so its hard to precisely break down exactly what you’re getting. For more precise dosing, stick with the experimone and putative series stuff. With those, you actually have the ability to choose the phero concentration per bottle.
Interesting, so A314 has androsterone, I dont see alot of pheromones with -rone so thats intriuging. I think I will compile the information so far:
Ammunition - 7.5mcg Total per spray, 2.5mcg of which, Androstenone - One third mix of Androstenone
Instant Openness - 15mcg per spray - Predominantly Alpha Androstenol
Instant Honesty - 15mcg per spray - Predominantly Beta Androstenol Instant Female Magic - 15mcg per spray - Predominantly Androstadienone
Instant Gentleman - 15mcg per spray - Unknown content ???
Turn Up The Heat - 2.5mcg per spray - Predominantly Androstenone
Come Talk to Me - Alpha + Beta Androstenol (1:1 ratio)
Instant Shine - 15mcg per spray - Predominantly TAA, total of 3 pheromones
A314 - 23.8mcg per drop - Mix of about 80% AndrosterRONE, with 20% other pheromones (up to 11, including androstenone)
Instant Jerk - 15mcg per spray - Predominantly Androstenone
Does’t FDA or w/e company has jurisdiction in this case require products to list what they contain? Even patents should contain this information… if these pheromones products are patented
Nope pheromones aren’t classified as food or drugs. Just chemicals. There are only two pheromone related patents out there, both held by Erox. One for fragranced androstadienone products, and another for fragranced estratetraenol products.
*Interesting, so A314 has androsterone, I dont see alot of pheromones with -Androsterone so thats intriuging. I think I will compile the information so far:
Ammunition - 7.5mcg Total per spray, 2.5mcg of which, Androstenone - One third mix of Androstenone Instant Openness - 15mcg per spray - Predominantly Alpha Androstenol Instant Honesty - 15mcg per spray - Predominantly Beta Androstenol Instant Female Magic - 15mcg per spray - Predominantly Androstadienone Instant Gentleman - 2.5 mcg per spray - Predominantly Androsterone, with another 2.5 mcg per spray of modifiers possibly TAC/TAK.* Turn Up The Heat - 2.5mcg per spray - Predominantly Androstenone
Come Talk to Me - Alpha + Beta Androstenol (1:1 ratio) Instant Shine - 15mcg per spray - Predominantly TAA, total of 3 pheromones
A314 - 23.8mcg per drop - Mix of about 80% AndrosterRONE, with 20% other pheromones (up to 11, including androstenone) Instant Jerk - 15mcg per spray - Predominantly Androstenone + Copulins (volatile fatty acids)
So I know its kinda bad of me to ask, but to be curious, what is in TAA/TAX where X is a letter, the different putatives and test MX’s, anyone have any speculation or any idea? Anyone know for definate? Id really like to know if there are actually any NEW chemical compounds which arent commonly known. Most of the pheromones are made with the androstene family of chemicals or copulins that I know of…
