Alright, I think I’m finally getting the hang of these, although I’m almost out of my togo Instant Openness already.
Ammo - not digging the scent for the most part, not especially bad, it’s just not “me”. scent seems to last the day after even with a good shower. Haven’t noticed any ‘hits’ with it either, usually used 2 or three shots. I seemed to be getting something out of 4 shots, but not really noticable. Seems to make me a bit irritable?
Instant Openness - I wasn’t really getting very obvious hits, but I always feel really cheerful and a bit more chatty myself when I wear it. I’m more likely to talk to people and less likely to feel nervous in social situations. I really like it, people around me seem pretty chatty, not directly towards me, but still. Either way, it’s a keeper and I’ll probably end up getting more.
Instant Shine - huh? don’t really notice anything major with shine. Seems to kinda make the other two a bit better, but noting on its own. shrug.
Tried mixing them somewhat, but no real obvious changes. IO + Shine seem to kinda reduce the irritability I get from the Ammo. I’ll probably drop shine and ammo once I run out in favor of some other things. Definitely a convert to the field, but I still haven’t really found my stride. More experimentation is definitely necessary.
I think the next thing I’d like to try is CTTM. I’d also like to try P74, 83, and 86 as a result of the many good things I’ve read. Maybe try MX203 as per Tater’s recommendation. Lots of good advice in that journal of his.
Well, MartyK… Nice report, you get rep points for taking notes! I’m thinking that the reason Ammo may make you cranky is because you are still young, and probably produce nearly enough, or enough -none all on your own. So even the small amount you gain from Ammo may be overdosing you. Did you notice anyone else around you seeming irritable/cranky? You may want to reduce to one shot of that, maybe even a half spray to find your sweet spot. And shine, you may actually be undersoding. Where on your body are you spraying the shine? You would typically want it where you can smell it… I.E. face, neck, chest. I’m a smoker, so I seem to notice that I need a bit more shine than some others in order to get the quoted effects. Good luck, and keep them reports a coming!
Im about to start playing with Ammo again but i dont like the scent either.
IO and IS are definitely more self-effect than anything else. IS once youre sporting 2-3 sprays does have some good effect, though, increased touching if youre already in close proximity.
Ammo makes me a bit irritable too. I typically use only 1 spray, 2 at the max.
I was adding most sprays to my neck. I was starting to put some ammo on my wrists to keep it out of my smell range, and I’d put some IO and shine either on top of my head or on the back of my neck after I’d put some on front. Didn’t want to really apply to my clothing, as the stuff seems hard enough to wash off with soap and water.
With the ammo I seemed to only notice self effects. No one else seemed to react particularly different to me. Unfortunately, I wasn’t really able to apply it to interacting with new people, but I was able to observe the effects on some “casual acquaintances”. Honestly, no one seemed to really interact differently.
My main issue is that the Togo bottles don’t seem to last too long, so I didn’t want to use too much too quickly.
Generally I’m usually not a very social guy, and in most cases it takes people a while to warm up to me. I suppose maybe I produce a -none overdose, but my general idea was that if anything I wasn’t outputting enough. I might have to re-evaluate. Maybe I’m a naturally nervous sort of offputting guy simply because I produce a natural od? Seems odd but possible.
Tonight I’m going to try maybe about 4-5 sprays of just shine early on, and maybe add some IO as the night continues. Hell I’ll just carry all three and see where the night takes me.
Well, I’m not certain on this, just speculation, but I don’t think a person could actually produce a -none OD naturally, could they? I’m a reasonably young guy, mid 20’s, Type O Positive blood. That means I naturally produce a lot of -none. Not just because I’m young(er) but my blood type also designates that. It only takes a bit of ammo for me to find my sweet spot, usually one spray to the nape of my neck. Prior to your phero usage, did you ever get anyone saying you seem intimidating, or coming on too strong when you didn’t intend to, ppl thinking you’re in a bad mood when you weren’t, that sort of thing? If so, then you are a high -none producer, and may want to stick with the softer, more social -mones such as the instant line, excluding Instant Jerk.
I do recommend that you OD heavily on -none once, just to see the effects, and know how to identify a -none OD. Try like, 4 or 5 sprays of Ammo to the usual application points, and go sit in the food court at the mall. The OD will actually create a perimeter that most people will be hesitant to step past. hiarious!
further research. started out the night very shine strong. about 5 togo shots. was feeling pretty good. went to an early concert, then migrated to a pre-game party. still going good. added a bit more shine, alright, then added a bit of IO, alright.
Right before migrating to the “major event” I put on about half a shot of the ammo and it seemed to all hit the fan. really at the party, none of the people I knew really wanted to stay around me for long, and the people I was trying to get to know didn’t want too much either. Just felt like a needle in the haystack. I think that ends my adventures there.
I don’t really think the -none products are for me. They seem to be a bit too aggressive and finicky, whereas I’m a naturally easy going and laid back sort of guy. I’m looking for something with a bit wider usability window that isn’t as likely to build up.
I’m definitely not afraid to experiment, or try out the relatively untested mixes, so I’ve place an order to try a couple of other things. Of course I’ll report more once I’ve fully tried them out, but I think I’m going to lay off the products for a few days so I can return to normal. Might have a good opportunity to run a trial this weekend.
This time around I’ll be trying: Instant Female Magic (I’ve got a predominantly female friend base, so it seems like a logical choice)
MX203/204 (If this works well, tater gets some biscuits)
CTTM2
A314(hopefully the none dosage is significantly lower and the support chemicals balance it better)
P74 (every comment I’ve read just makes me want to try it more)
Just my 2 cents but you might re-read the product description of instant gentleman it sounds to me like it might help soften the ammo some for you. It’s recommended for softening tuth. I haven’t used either but instant gentleman sounds to me like the answer that a lot of younger guys are overlooking. the blurb description doesn’t sound as appealing as the full length description. Again its just a thought.
This is the one I am placing my bets on from your above experiences and the way your describe yourself.
It has the same amount of none but while AMMO only has 3 mones A314 has, I believe 16 different mones now, that temper each other well.
I am also thinking MX103 which changazn and snook are having a good time with.
You will find your niche and also after a while learn how to make even some of the none products work out for you by tempering them with something else.
Could be Probably because when your young you make more none and less rone so by using it it enhances you more. Then when you become middle aged I think you make more rone then none so the none would enhance you more. Course this is just a little therory of mine but it alot of posts seem to indicate that.
So, by the time I make my way through each and every -mone here, I still won’t be done, because I’ll just have to start all over again since I’ll be getting nice and old by then! lol.
I’ve always thought androstenone to be “over rated” ond oft “over used.” I’ve never really had any overwhelming possitive effects from it. And I’m over 50 (but type O).
I suspect that individual body chemistry differences will make many pheromones work differently than they do on another person. Thus the need for experiementation. The really nice thing about Androtics is they offer such a wide variety of mixes and such to do those experiements with so you are more likely to find success.
I too wish Ammunition came in a variety of scent packages. The standard one is nice, but I find it a bit strong. I’d even go for a relatively “unscented” version. That would have the advantage of being pre-mixed in a good balance but allow me to use whatever cover scent I wanted without clash.
I still tend to think of androsterone (eg a314) as an “older/mature person” pheromone, but it may be quite useful to those who have trouble with androstenone.
Further adventures, trying to make it work and find that sweet spot.
Friday night, I’m feeling really great, loads of energy, so I convince a roomate to go out with me. My mix:
1 spray ammo high on the chest
3 sprays Ishine to the neck
Eventually we end up at a party, and end up having some nice conversation with most of the girls there. Basically all I had to do was say hi, or make some goofy comment. Things went really well, and had a great time, was feeling really confident in myself. Got the number of a cute girl, but this girl didn’t really have much of a personality or really anything interesting to say. I’d call her scatterbrained. The mix worked pretty well, but I think it needed a smidgen more Ammo and something like Instant Openness (I love IO).
Saturday
More partying. Used two sprays ammo, the last of my Ishine (bout 3-5 sprays). Several of my friends started complaining of bad migraine headaches which I think were caused by me. Hadn’t had enough time for it to dry down. I think I was a bit out of my effective dosage range, even though I had two showers since the previous night. Alcohol heavily clouded my perception, so my only valid observations come from fairly early on in the night. Only real interesting note: I was able to get a conversation going with a girl who was straight up ignoring me the night before, and the cute scatterbrained girl whose number I had gotten seemed to have completely lost interest.
Probably because when your young you make more none and less rone so by using it it enhances you more. Then when you become middle aged I think you make more rone then none so the none would enhance you more. Course this is just a little therory of mine but it alot of posts seem to indicate that.