I’m uSend, late 40s and from Canada. Began using mones 6 or 7 years ago with limited results until, very recently, I began paying closer attention - both to my own demeanour and to others’ more subtle responses.
I’m refamiliarising myself with products and key components after a hiatus of a few years. My primary focus – at least initially – is products that encourage comfort, trust and rapport. I have no approach anxiety, but am hoping to be able to modulate a ‘bad boy’ first impression that often amounts to strike one before the ball’s been thrown.
More often than not, this does not affect the outcome of the game, but it usually means extra innings in time and energy.
My initial interest, then, is in the NOLs, RONE, Oxy, A1 - and possibly AndrostAnone. NONE products, unless very well buffered or offset, are generally more harmful than helpful - at least initially.
I’ve read extensively on the forum, and appreciate the efforts, interest and concern of those whose very thoughtful posts have been very helpful for me.
You obviously understand what you want and have done some good research. You are on the right track. IG, IO, IH should definately be in your kit. You may want to play with IShine also.
The good thing is that as you are in your 40s, you can make full use of the various high/overt none “badboy” products from here and elsewhere.
However, your stated desire to create comfort, trust and rapport is somewhat at odds with this, so maybe you need to narrow down the sorts of situation you might be interacting in and adjusting you mixes to suit.
Mixes that are good for me in my late 40s, with women from the mid 30s-up include:
A314 and TUTH - Fairly high dose A314, steered with TUTH to create a powerful status/sexual feel. A man of few words, who knows just what he wants and how to get it, if you like! This can send younger ones running for the hills though.
Ammo/Instant Shine/A314 - Keep the A314 low in this mix for a happy/friendly/sexy/social guy feel, who is strangely good to be around. Goes better with younger ones.
IJ/A314 - This is the badboy who means it mix - Go high on both and accept that you will piss-off and repel more people than you will ever attract but when you meet someone attuned to the mix - Wow, just WOW!
IH/IS - great for getting to know someone in a deep/happy/playful way - good for those “it was meant to happen” moments and good with a variety of none products. Also a quality over quantity alternative to IO, which is good but can unleash a torrent of drivel.
very thoughtful of you to welcome me that way, mobo - appreciated
re: The good thing is that as you are in your 40s, you can make full use of the various high/overt none “badboy” products from here and elsewhere.
However, your stated desire to create comfort, trust and rapport is somewhat at odds with this …
My experience – probably limited, definitely inconclusive – is the opposite: Additional NONE, age notwithstanding, more likely and more often works against me than for me …
Prior to delving back into mones, I got in touch with half a dozen women I’d had a measure of meaningful (but unconsummated) contact with during the previous six months, and asked them to candidly describe first impression and evolving perception generally. Quotes: “Here comes trouble” … “Now you … are dangerous”. Consensus perception: “Here’s a guy who I’m just so sure has only one interest: getting laid … again. He may be more charming and witty and confident than most of the others, but it’s the same book in a more attractive cover.”
Only naive rubes would view this as empty bragging: If v/mail MSGs left aren’t returned, what’s impressive about having gotten a lot of numbers?
My perception is the most that carefully selected mones can do for me is help accentuate qualities I want to work in my favour … and help offset liabilities that don’t - conditional first on my modifying my demeanour and presentation to be more congruent with what I already know are (generally) their interests and their expectations: “Someone who’s interested in me for more than 3 or 4 horizontal hours”.
NONE products I’ve experimented with – often quite diligently – only seem to turn up the volume of the wrong song: “I Want Your Sex”. (Admittedly, there’s much I can still explore and learn - would hardly be posting this otherwise).
And LoveScent’s (original) A314 is probably the most respected around - couldn’t see that it did a damn thing for me. At the other end, SOE results have been more certain, although typically subtle … and contribute only very indirectly to promoting comfort and trust.
Bottom Line: Taking a mone inventory probably matters less at this stage than the me inventory I’ve been taking. While I know I can do a better job of modifying how I come across initially, there are limits to the nature and degree of changes I can make. And, regardless of age, I generally can’t see ‘high/overt none “badboy” products’ helping me get to where I want to go – getting laid … again – as much as those that first contribute to comfort and trust in a public venue. I already know what comfort and trust do for me privately.
These are only enthusiastic musings and theories. I’ve no need or interest in being right.
More like I shouldn’t post when I’m all dozy after a couple of glasses of good brandy and miss the point by a mile! Yes - A more social/engaging mix is what you need!
I know its not a consumer line product, so no warranty but maybe have a look into MX297 - one of the best social mixes they have here.
no prob … I’ve ordered the Newbie Kit, MX297 is in it
unfortunate policy to not disclose proportional ingredients: If MX297 seems effective, I’ll won’t know how to make it more effective … if it seems ineffective, I won’t know what might explain that …
Try searching out the “MX297 Mix Repository” thread - There is a lot of info there. Other threads too - Despite it being an MX, it is a very well tested and reported on product.
MX297 does not contain none, so my experience is that a little TUTH or plain Androstenone can help its sexual edge but if you already have the badboy vibe, you may not need annything. Ammo also works but not as well.
The other thing I’ve found is not to use 297 alongside A314 - That was a confusing and unproductive mix for me. I have a personal theory that it may not complement rone very well - see Ammo above.
yes, read Repository and Collective Reports on 297 … seems some combo it with P75, but more often TUTH (less often Ammo)
plan incremental testing, so if 297 seems effective, might first pair it with Anone or some Anone pre-mix … possibly graduating from there to NONE/a NONE-mix
