So…first test of 83 mixed with turn up the heat is negative. The scent has been noticed, but I have seen none of the “effects” mentioned in other posts so far (ie. Increased desire to take charge’).
I will continue to test this paoring, but does anyone have any suggestions of ways to make this pairing more influential? I need a mixture that is not overpowering and that can be worn at home (not a club mix in other words). Suggestions?
Joshua
When testing its important that for one you use the P83 by itself at different dosages for a few days to get a feel for it. Testing putatives is not easy and not for inexperienced users. I believe you are quickly getting ahead of yourself and this may ruin your pheromone experience.
You need to get the consumer products which are proven and guaranteed working for you before you move on to advanced.
I understand your skeptical and want to test the products out but to be fair you need to do it correctly.
Take IH for example, you reported you saw no effect from it but you didnt mention how much you used, where you applied ect ect. TUTH you are seeing minimal results with but from what I understand you have only used 1 spray.
I know you have mentioned that your wife dosnt like the smell of the products. Generally people do not notice the smell unless they have been made aware of it in some way but she could be scent sensitive. Thing is your going to need more then one spray in most cases to see results. P83 is generally used at 20mcg before you begin to see results. What mcg did you get? How much did you use ? where did you apply it ? what environment did you use it in ?
Tisha
Tisha is right - putatives can be tricky even for very advance users who can read body language and reactions well.
I did kinda the same thing at first too. Ordered some more advanced stuff along with the consumer stuff. Tested the advanced stuff before I had the consumer stuff down pat. Not really sure I was getting results, etc.. Then I went back, just used the consumer stuff until I was solid with it, then went back to the advanced stuff and it made more sense.
And I am very good at reading body language, etc.. Had to be for work.
I would really save the P83 for now and get used to the consumer products you have.
And remember - TUTH is a little tricky - it sends a strong signal that is not appropriate - and hence will not be acted on or even sensed as “inappropriate” - in some social situations or even occassionally out in clubs if you do not know the person.
Good luck with the P83 – I ordered some too. What I plan to do is to test it for 5 days by itself.
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From what I understand from threads I have read this product is hit or miss for people – for whatever reason. I guess that’s why it’s not a mainstream product yet. Then again even mainstream products are not a one size fits all body chemistries.
There are people out there that say such and such doesn’t work for me. For instance Ammo – to me – has a very very very mild effect compared to some other products with a similar pheromone mix. Just a slight difference in formula and results can deteriate. I like the “smell” of ammo and it gets me a very very subtle edge – but nothing like the edge some other products or combinations get me.
Why?
It could be my body chemistry, but also sometimes people just already get the kind of effects that a product can bring – so when they apply a product and keep getting what they already get they think it doesn’t work – or like Tisha said they simply don’t take enough time to test it correctly and find the sweet zone – or test enough to accumulate enough observations to understand what it is exactly that it is affecting.
The hard thing with p83 is that it is unpredictable. Wearing it in a mix you don’t know what to look out for, whats it’s going to do, how it effects other pheromones.
Body language is important because when your aware of it you become better at reading hits. p83 is very touchy feely. People touching things, playing with there hair and just generally being twitchy all of these things I wuold of missed had I not read a few books on body language.