Second date (first time it’s just the two of us). Instant Shine 4 sprays + Instant Ammunition 2 sprays + half a packet SoE + 2 drops A314 + 1 spray Turn Up the Heat + 2 sprays Instant Female Magic + 2 sprays Impi + TAF 25 mcg + MOET 10mcg +1 spray Instant Openness + 1 spray Instant Honesty. Clove + Nutmeg + Black Pepper EO. (This was an important date to me )
Fabulous date over drinks & snacks. Girls next door staring and fascinated (my date had the sensation we were being talked about). Talk. Hold hands, snog, “I want to **** you”. “I am so wet”. Not particularly in character for this girl. I think the TAF+MOET contributed to the way she articulated this as I have never before received such a strong reaction to any combination of the other components. (Come to think of it, I don’t think I have had such a blatant response since I was 21). We don’t as we both need to be somewhere else early tomorrow, but it would have been possible. Hit!
WOW, that’s a lot of pheromones!!! Probably the most powerful mix I ever had must of been about 300 mcgs of pheromones. However, it was just too many stinky mones for me to wear, so I didn’t do it again.
Might be wise for you to see what types of hits you get over the next couple of days, and give your phero-pallet a rest.
at that concentration of -mones many an unpredicted thing happens… have noticed in my own adventures that both nutmeg and black pepper oils synergize beautifully with -mones. Villerosi’s Spezie has a strong nutmeg element, while Artisan’s Navegar is based on black pepper. I have had responses similar to yours with good old alpha androstenol, androsterone, and androstenone ratioed correctly with the EOs at the high concentration… you can really pile on the alpha-nol without OD… you only wax laughably romantic…and gooney… my one caveat is that when you adventure this far into the unknown, you will trigger real emotion, humans have know to become deeply attached under the effect of these molecules and cultivate unspoken expectations…
For that reason I turned away from phero bombing (unless it is under specific erotic circumstances) and now much prefer a gentle broad wash with an A314 base and soft mones like -dienol with a grace note here and there… strategically speaking I’d like to use the -mones as a way to know a person as well as possible as quickly as possible before diving headfirst into who knows what.
TAK may prove to be highly useful in that regard. If I were to be shooting for no excuses sex it might be socially more effective to use a stronger -none approach that keeps it on the ground floor, relationally… there’s nothing as grim as snapping to after a hot one nighter that she thought was the start of something and you want to clear out of there a.s.a.p…
yes, though as far as the basic pallette of none, rone, A1, nol goes I have experimented with much higher doses with inferior results. the primer and other ingredients seem to make all the difference at the margin. and life is lived at the margin.
yes - the nutmeg, clove and black pepper aspect was all your fault. [thank you]. (I note that turn up the heat has a clovey/peppery smell to it).
correct ratios = … ?
you don’t say… i’m now nuts about this girl (beyond, but not without, reason) yet this is the first time we really talked one-to-one. (and I’m the one who knows about the mones). never intended to be a one-nighter (we know too many people in common) and tonight I actively dragged the next stage out. phero bombing was intentional as I think she might be girlfriend-material. time will tell.
do tell!
yes, the voice of wisdom and of experience… too right!
I use Nioxin shampoo as soap. It seems to do a reasonable job of cleaning up, but not a bad idea to take a rest I suppose. Possibly LEF anti-DHT shampoo would be better.
Nutmeg has long been lauded as possessing or imparting magical powers. A sixteenth century monk is on record as advising young men to carry vials of nutmeg oil and at the appropriate time, to anoint their genitals for virility that would see them through several days. Tucking a nutmeg into the left armpit before attending a social event was believed to attract admirers. http://www.theepicentre.com/Spices/nutmeg.html
I fully agree that the new experimone family offers a degree of flavoring and nuancing that you can’t acheive with the old line of standard mones…A314 has become my base ingredient because is offers up a richer totality, OTOH I have had some of the most amazing sex of my life on a simple -none and -nol combination, what I haven’t received from the basic combinations is the conversational complexity, the gentle rising and settling of different aspects of the conversee. With the right balance you don’t feel so shoved into one particular stimulus response pattern. Do be warned though, once I was using strong mone mixes, imagining myself to be in charge since I was the one who “knew”… and I was deleriously smitten by a girl, such passionate imaginings, all of which on closer examination was a very bad idea making its’ way from fantasy to reality…and I had been dosed by my own potion… you can, make that will, be drawn in closer and faster than you might otherwise, especially if there is a kernel of real connection there… and also do be cognizant that we are in uncharted territory behaviorally, finding ourselves forming intense, irrational connections to persons we don’t know as well as we imagine that we do. There have been similar reports with MDMA, that problematic phenylethyamine (or is it amphetamine ?) so beloved by Sasha Shulgin… where users would enter such a transcendent state of empathy that they would form numerous inappropriate friendships that then had to be awkwardly unwound. There have also been, with time, experience, and some thrusts at education, profoundly therapeutic conversations where I have been working up close and personal with belief systems and trusted enough by these persons where I could act as a therapeutic interlocutor, to their benefit. This whole idea of the special category of shared mental space, and the Interlocutor, is one we should delve into at a later date…
Holy moly! Whew…! (to both the mix and the responses )
Keep in mind, both TAF and IFM will fix and/or enhance a mix that wouldn’t have worked otherwise (and so will some of the other special components used in A314 and some of the Instant line).
The jury is still out on on what you refer to as MOET (although we have a better grip on Chandon ). It’s at least good to know that it certainly didn’t hurt.
I agree with the EOs. I would personally include clove, nutmeg and black pepper in nearly everything for men (well maybe not so much clove). The problem is that that beyond potential disagreements about scent, they can all encourage skin irritation. You’ll never find nonfractioned, nonrefined versions in commercial products for that reason.
Several questions:
Where did you apply each?
How long after application did you meet her?
You tell the highlights here, but how were people’s initial reactions, and how long until liftoff? (i.e., what was the response curve like?)
Back of neck, wrists and chest. IFM split between hair and chest.
40 min.
One waitress super friendly, one seemed a bit grumpy and forgetful. Noticed by most people when I walked in. Mild hair play from around the room for first few min but it settled down. She was mildly flirty but didn’t really respond till I initiated by putting my hand on her hand and leaving it there.
Not many men within range. Taxi driver was friendly enough.
First time I met her was dating somebody else (wearing SoE, TE, Chikara). Second time/first date was months later - A314, Impi, EO clove/pepper/nutmeg, way too much PI, betanol, IFM, SoE. Saw nicely-disguised lordosis then.
I notice you used IFM. The pheromone it’s based on can sometimes sacrifice how men express themselves a little for a major gain in allowing women to express themselves. So I’m wondering, how did this mix affect you? Did you feel that you were “on”?
Also, first date, you used “way too much” androstenone. What was that like?
yes, I did feel a bit down (depressed and inarticulate) from IFM on first date. On second I used but kept away from my face and didn’t notice a difference.
too much none - some bitchiness from hostess and some non-directed aggressive behaviour from host.
Thanks. (Time will tell I suppose - fingers crossed). What was nice was the overall effect seemed quite well-balanced. None of the excessive chattiness of too much nol, the scariness of overdoing the none or the invisibility of over-rone.
This seems very true. It also goes some way to answering concerns some people have expressed about what happens when ‘everyone knows about mones’. I wonder though if we ever end up forming connections that are quite as rationally-based and founded on enough information as we might think.
Mmmmmm… the critical piece of the puzzle here is thus: as you go through a substantial growth transition (identity shift, worldview shift, making new distinctions, dumping old distinctions as confused or wrong) the gestalt can change in dramatic fashion… IMO… we all have a gestalt, a “sense of the whole”… what it all means and where “I” fit into this wholeness… a figure-ground relationship… now, say there is already some potentiality for deeper meaning between two people, but somehow the full force of it is attenuated, I’m not talking about a too common experience, there are at times these “kyros” or windows into the numinous, and most of the time, same old grind, no free lunch… so we need some preconditions, some potential energy, you won’t get much by pouring 1000 mu of phermones on every person you meet, just that sometimes, the way life is anyway, there are these moments of numinous ex-stasis, and I think IF you happen to be in the right place, at the right time, AND you have a phero mix structured right, you MIGHT be able to briefly open a door into another dimension of human perception…
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