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Hi Zeph :slight_smile: I’m glad to hear you’re feeling better.

Nice attention getting combos you’ve got going. I haven’t any experience with MX200 or MX105, but Wolf likes the Instant Gentleman, Honesty, Ammo combo. He wears it socially a lot. Though sometimes swaps out the IG for Scent of Eros, which he also likes. Since he’s older he bumps up the IG to 2 sprays and 2 sprays AMMO/2X. The Honesty goes to the back of his hair and sometimes a spray or two of Shine, right up front. It’s such an attractive mix, really never fails.

The CTTM2 is 50% betanol and 50% alphanol, right? Scent of Eros is androsterone and alphanol (mystery ratios here). With Honesty being 70% betanol and 30% alphanol it combines with the alphanol in Scent of Eros…bumping up the alphanol content and therefore, I believe, has the same-ish effect that CTTM2 would have in an overall/similar combo. Does that make any sense?

So are you saying all this attention is a bit unsettling for you? If so, it’s good for you to get out of your comfort zone and do this. It opens you up too, and that’s a good thing. :wink: I think it will get easier as you get used to it. I mean it’s a burden to have women come on to you and all…lol.

As far as increasing testosterone/estrogen, there are several options. Natural alternatives are, of course, best. Check out some of Mohammed Shah’s posts on testosterone and, I think, Hazard has some posts about it as well. Warren is also very knowlegable about this subject. You might consider having a base line test before you start anything, so you can keep everything in check. Bioidentical hormones are also an option. Though you may have trouble finding a doc who really knows about them and who’s willing to prescripe them.

Bella

hmm, his mix sounds interesting. And yes, it makes sense. I think my combos are similar to wolf’s but his is more alphanol and mine betanol.

I don’t find it unsettling, just been getting hits from people I don’t want it from, lol.

humm…

AMMO: 1 spray, back of neck
IG: 1 spray, back of neck
Honesty: 2 sprays, back of neck
Applied at 8ish AM.
Nothing unusual in class. Went to work, have a new person there to help me do my job, but really, this week for work is light, but school will be raping me, so I guess it’s nice. New helper is a korean girl, probably 20 or 21. When I was working with her, she’d get really close to me. I’m very self conscious about personal space, so when strangers get really close to me, I start noticing it immediately. She would not give me ANY personal space, but hey, I don’t mind, just kind of weird. She was in one or two of my classes, I know OF her, but don’t know who she is. This was around 10AM-12PM
Reapplied:
AMMO: 1 spray back of neck
IG: 1 spray back of neck
Honesty: 2 sprays, back of neck
TAF: 2 sprays, hair
Shine 4x STR: 2 sprays, hair
Around 4:20ish(completely coincidental for what I was doing at the time, honestly)
Hit up a bowl and applied above. Went back to school to help a friend @ work. Friend commented last time how much the weed smelled last time so I reapplied before going back. When I got there she was tired, but happy-ish to see me. Gave me random ass hugs, a little flirty but definitely happier than earlier in the day. She’s 1/2 asian, 1/2 white. For that reapplication, I definitely gotta say TAF does some weird ass shit in that combo. Like, I was getting kinda hyper and really really talkative, to the point that I was starting to get annoyed at how talkative I was. I don’t think the other people cared but it started to piss me off. The last time I used TAF solo, I didn’t really notice much. But when I mixed it with this combo, dunno, people just seem to congregate around me, people seem more open to talking to me or me opening them more. The students (I help teach a lab) seemed more talkative around me and just kinda hovered around me -_-

Either way, with the daily mix I use which is generally: AMMO ToGo(1), IG(1), MX200(2), Honesty(2); I get a lot of smiles, more touching and just a more playful mood with the ladies, generally Asian. Around males, it’s kinda different. I think I throw some guys off cause I’m kinda just weird. My friends would say I’m not very approachable, never smiling, always look pissed. But sometimes I’m complete opposite and generally I have both the really “angry” and unapproachable look/aura but at the same time I’m kinda friendly and talkative. Like none of the guys in the labs EVER approach me or talk to me. And some of them, when I check up on them when they work are really timid. I got a weird really confused look from 2 guys when I was checkin up on them. Most of the confused, I don’t know what to do reactions were generally from white guys. Asian/black seem to be less I guess surprised. Been doing this for a month now, so they know who I am and stuff, so I dunno. Ok, wait, I lied, only one guy approaches me cause I know him and I kicked with him at a party, but before that, he didn’t. Other than that, I’m still trying to feel out MX200 and what goes well with it. I think the AMMO works well with that combo with Asians. Anyways, off to go die for the rest of the week. If I ever have time I’ll post more… and seriously get around to my subscriptions. Take care all.

What concentration of TAF?

And you should know by now, we have an instinctual sense of when its 4:20. :smiley:

Hmmm, interesting TAF made you so chatty. You’re getting “random ass hugs”…lol…are you random ass hugging, too? Aside from how much it can distract me, I find TAF very tactile. And yes, how much did you use?

So if you have an “angry and unapproachable” look/aura, but are friendly and talkative…there’s only a couple of reason I can think of that are putting these guys off.

I recall aways back, you posted about how even though you smile you still exude an unapproachable vibe. You know very well, even if you’re talkative and friendly, it can still be hard to approach someone who looks pissed off. Also, you are checking up on people, it intimidates them and makes them nervous. Maybe use just IG with IH and/or Shine and back off on the AMMO around the guys, and any other products you’ve been using that contain additional-none. So, you still put out that cool aura, but a little warmer. After they warm up to you, you could add the AMMO back and see if they become more distant. Dunno, just a thought.

Also, let’s not discount the fact that some of these guys are put off by your intelligence. Zeph, you’re a smarty and it makes some people feel less smart and thus intimidated by you. :wink:

I think you’re doing fine using that combo with the girls, ‘cause they dig’ your fun, sexy, smooth, manly vibe.

Mkay, that’s my nickle.

Take care, Zeph, always glad to see you when you can make the time.

Bella

Just an aside, can you guys tell me anything about MX250?

Haven’t used it yet, I don’t think. TAF was in 10mcg/spray. so 2 sprays, 20mcg.

I went to a halloween party but uhh, I didn’t plan it out very well and was only able to put on MX200. Mostly Asians, only got one or two hits and one look. Then again, I was pretty out of it so I wasn’t paying too much attention. Always had someone around me during the night even when I wanted to be alone. -_-;;
MX200 bottle leaked everywhere, so I had a bunch on my hand and sprays were kinda… messy.
I was PLANNING on using MX105, MX200, Shine x4, Honesty x4, and a spray of AMMO but like I said, didn’t have any time to apply.

Oooopsy! Uh huh, try doing that with a bottle of EoW sometime. :open_mouth: :smiley: We’re a mess…lol.

Oh, the MX250. When I’ve ordered before, I’ve recieved men’s pheromones as testers and it wasn’t ringing a bell so I assumed it was for men. I did a search, and turns out it’s IS/A w/20X cops. So no, I guess you haven’t used it…yet. :stuck_out_tongue:

Bella

hah, I’ve used TAL before. Haven’t used it enough though to really get a feel for it.

haven’t been around much.
Been using this combo a lot recently with a LOT of good results:
AMMO (normal strength) x 0.5 - 1.5 sprays to front of neck
TAA 10mcg/spray x1 to front of neck
Shine (4x strength) x1 to front of neck
Getting a lot of hits from females. The lab that I work, my “boss” hates the shit out of me. Before she was indifferent and pretty rude, I’m better than you attitude. I’ve been wearing my older combo of Honesty, ammo, shine + MX200, all 1 spray before. With my current application, she’d be a LOT nicer to me. Significantly nicer. This is good normally, but I really dislike her and with the current combo she comes over to talk to me a lot more which makes me want to kill cute little kittens. Thats how much I dislike her.
Other hits I’d get is a lot more physical touching from girls who aren’t so… outgoing. One korean girl pretty much touches me or gets close to me whenever I see her with the current combo. She was touchy feely with the old combo but much more so now. I have a suspicion that she may have a crush on me so, I’m not sure how that would affect the old combo/new combo. In general I get a lot more attention, people are more inclined to be near me and overall I get… I would say double the smiles or looks I normally get. I don’t know what it is exactly, but I have a strong hunch it might be the TAA 10mcg that I put in there that’s been changing the normal self effects and effects on others versus my old mix. I’ve done shine and ammo plenty of times, and have never gotten such… consistent results.

Another thing I’ve noticed is that people who are in a position of authority are much more inclined to help me or go out of their way to help. And it also makes me more talkative in the bad inane blabber-y way, like I say shit, but it doesn’t lead anywhere or is just like a “what the hell? ok… that’s nice”. I think it’s cause when I have the combo on, I just feel like nothing matters, like I don’t have a care in the world. Like “I’m on top of the world cause I have nothing to worry about” not “I’m on top of the world, cause I’m the muthafukin man.” No inhibitions, no worries really, that’s how it makes me feel.

And with that, I leave you with my standard school is raping me, I will try to get back on here as much as I can but probably won’t be able to until I feel really guilty about not visiting. But I really do feel bad about not catching up with you guys. Just been too busy with work and school. Hope everyone is doing well, had a great Thanksgiving and will have a great Christmas and New Years if I go MIA again. I’ll be going to China RIGHT after school ends so if there are any requests, let me know. Otherwise I’m just going to try some random crazy stuff.

Cool, you should meet up with Perronec while you’re in China. I dunno if it’ll be the same part of China or not. Either way, it’d be interesting, you guys could try different combos, then swap combos the next night, etc…

It’s crunch time for me too. I hate finals, but at least there’s winter break to look forward to, right? :slight_smile:

And yes, the turkey was good. How was yours?

mmm, I don’t think I’ll be near perronec. Turkey day was ok. Didn’t eat much, pretty uneventful. I think it was cause I drove from Vegas hungover. -_-

Ooh, Vegas must have been fun. Why drive down on thanksgiving though? Trying to make it in time for the actual dinner? Or just crunching for school that bad?

lol, my friend convinced me to stay wed night so we could go drinking. I was thinking I’d wake up by like 8 and drive back but uhh… yeah, got drunk with my friend and woke up late. Ended up leaving at like 1. Was supposed to meet up with parents at like 5 so I had to race back for Thanksgiving dinner. xD

mmm, so interesting observation I had the other day.
My usual mix of:
AMMO (normal str): 0.5 - 1.5 spray to neck
TAA (10mcg): 1 spray to neck
Shine: 1 spray to neck
wasn’t cutting it. Friends of the owner of the place where I’m living were staying the past weekend. 2 girls, one korean, one chinese. Wore that mix around them all weekend. Nothing really noticeable. So, I tried TAA, Shine again, but without AMMO and replaced it with MX200 instead. That did the trick. As soon as I put it on, the first thing the chinese girl says is “your room smells really good.” (She knocked on my door and that’s what she said when I answered it). When I walked past em or did anything around em, they’d talk to me and ask me where I was going (even though I was in the house all day) or if I was leaving.
The last time, around her (the chinese one) I wore MX200 and IH she commented on how great I smelled. I was kinda shocked at the results cause lately I’ve been getting pretty good hits with my usual mix. I’m not saying I got negative results with the girls. They were positive, but not in comparison to the MX200. Then I kinda realized, a lot of the hits were mainly from non-Asians so… that might be it, not to say that there weren’t any asians who liked the ammo, taa, shine mix. So I think for those of you who are after Asians to use MX200 first and see how that works. Then try AMMO + socials, that might work if MX200 doesn’t.
So I think I’ll test TAA, MX200 and AMMO when I’m abroad in China. All separately and we’ll see what happens. I don’t think I need to worry about the whole respect issue since I’m going with a group of doctors and the people there think I’m a doctor even though I tell them over and over and over again that I’m not. -_-;;
Anyone think you can OD or if there’s a limit on TAA? Like, is there a point where after x mcg/spray it won’t really do much for you? I usually put on 10mcg. I’m thinking of 3 days of AMMO. 0.5, 1 and 2 sprays. MX200, 1, 1, 2, 3. and that leaves about 5 days of TAA. Maybe 10, 20, 30, 40 and 50. Any idea ABOUT how much TAA is in Shine x4 anyone?

Where are you zeph?

hah, funny you asked, I was JUST about to post about my trip to China. Got back a few days ago, just chillin, relaxing and stuff. Anyways, here’s the report.

Went to China for a missions/medical trip. Group of doctors and dentists giving free medical care and medication. In our group of about 24, only 4 of the group were in my age range. My friend (19, f, chinese), daughter of one of the doctors (21, f, korean), a distant relative (27, m, chinese), oral hygienist (27, f, white). First area we went to was a factory in sunzhun (sp?). It’s a fairly middle class area for China. Second place was a clinic in ZhongShang (sp?). This city is upper middle class for China.

I started off with Mix 1:
AMMO (normal)
TAA (10mcg)
Did my best with 1/2 spray of AMMO and 1 spray of TAA. (3 days)
Back of neck

First couple of days were ok. Got generally good responses from the group I was with, not so much with the people at the factory. I did notice though that whenever I had -none on, I would get a lot more… social challenges, I’ll call em. Basically, more males would do/say something to I guess show face, like a “hey, I’m of value” thing. I say show face instead of saving face cause it just seemed like these wanna be, insecure alpha males needed to have their presence known around us. The funny thing is, in the past trips I would let things go, but this time I didn’t and people would play chicken with me and at the last moment realize I don’t give a fuck and give me my way. Like usually Chinese people are rude as fuck. Then there are times where they are rude on purpose. With -none on, I’d stare them down with the “are you really fucking serious” look and they’d leave me alone. Like most people just bump you and walk away and that’s fine. But there were a few occasions where he is clearly not in your path and he makes it a point to be in your path. This happened a LOT more with -none on and almost all from males. The thing is, when they got closer, I’d just stare them down and they’d just be like “oh shit, nevermind” and avoid me. When I stopped wearing the AMMO, the guards left me alone.

Test mix 2:
Shine (4x str)
MX200
TAA (10mcg)
all one spray (4days)
Front of neck one day, back of neck rest

I got significantly better hits with this mix. One of the dentist was telling me a lot of the girls and women at the factory commented to each other about me and calling me a “pretty boy,” literal translation. Means more like cute guy today. It was hard for me at the factory to understand what they were saying cause they spoke a different dialect. A lot of the girls hovered around my area, found a reason to walk through my section or just walked in my section and got lost… in a wide… open… space… -_-;; The last day of our session at the factory, a few of the bolder girls asked me to take pictures with them before we left. It’s funny who they asked to take pictures with. Tall white guy, tall indian guy, short chinese guy (me) and apparently really hot korean girl.

For the 2 mixes, I really think that the weather helped a lot. It was extremely humid where we were and it was actually really warm. It got to the point that we were sweating just walking outside in the afternoon. I’d say diffusion was great, but it also seemed like the lasting power went to zilch. Also for attraction/respect from the people at the factory, keep in mind that I went with a group of doctors and dentists who happens to know the factory owner really well and dine with him every night. I was trained to clean teeth so I was cleaning teeth and it looked like (key phrase looked like) I was a dentist (which I am NOT). The reason why I would say that the second mix worked a lot better was because of the proximity and interest that the second mix got me. The first got interest, but just like a “who’s that foreigner” stare. Second mix was more of a “hmm, he’s interesting” stare. With the AMMO the females seemed to keep their distance, mind their own business and shy away quicker. Second one they seemed to hang around for no reason, helping my section any way they can, etc.

Mix 3:
MX200, 1 spray
Shine (4x str), 1spray
TAA (10mcg), 1spray
CTTM mix2, 2sprays
I used this mix in the second place. I thought the second one worked well, this one worked MUCH better.

Ok wow. First day we get there, we go to an Italian restaurant. Hi Bella! haha, go figure. It was probably the best restaurant I’ve been to there and it was also the most amusing. Giant poster of currency paid out in eighths, sex positions poster, etc, in a CHINESE RUN ITALIAN RESTAURANT. If you don’t get that… think about this: a pound of weed/coke/heroin/etc is enough to get you killed in China. Drugs are taboo. PDA is rarely seen. So seeing that stuff in an “upscale” restaurant in a upper middle class area was pretty amazing. Anyways, I use the mix and our group walks in. Waitresses were dress in these maid outfits with a santa hat. And damn… what a waste of a really nice outfit. Only one of them was cute and she was serving a table on a different level. However, the waitresses seemed to love me and my distant relative. Made sure we had everything and constantly smiling at us. Everywhere we went, the atmosphere was a lot friendlier than I experienced in the past. Went to a few stores with the “younger” group. Me, relative, friend and the attractive korean girl. Actually, by the time we were at the second city, we were always together, haha. Anyhow whenever we went shopping and the girls did their thing (I dislike shopping for periods of time longer than 1 hour) the employees at the mall would always be staring at me and whisper to each other. I don’t get it… they’re fairly blatant about staring and whispering and commenting than I’m use to here. Like they don’t attempt to hide it. And the funny thing is, I understand them. -_-;; Got the “pretty boy” comment a lot more at the second place with this mix. I ended up using that mix most of the time. Overall this mixed worked really well. More hits and more consistent. The -nols seem to make me more… interesting. Girls would want to know who I am, talk to me, where I was from, etc. Since I didn’t buy anything, they’d ask my friend like “is he your boyfriend?” “where are you guys from?” “what are you here for.” I don’t really speak unless it’s necessary, I really like hearing what people say. xD

I think I used mix 2 but with MX200 2sprays + IFM 2sprays once or twice out of like 4 days which worked really well, seemed to make the females more at ease, less tense around me.

Anyways, trip was fun, helped out like 500+ chinese people and got bitten 24 times in 2 days by mosquitos. I freaking HATE mosquitos. Oh and I can finally die happy. Saw the cutest/prettiest national chinese girl in zhongshang. Seriously, I find 98% of the chinese girls I see, unattractive. The past… 3, 4? trips to China I saw like, seriously 2 girls I would say are attractive. This time, there was a lot more.

Summary of products that I’ve been using lately:

AMMO: Ok, wow, I get mixed hits with this from Asians. Some Asians (any type you name it) either love it or hate it. It’s like durian, it depends on the nose. Everyone has a different reaction to it depending on what it smells like. If they smell it (the cat urine smell), they hate it. If they don’t, it can work well (have had a few tell me that it really turns em on). I tried using it with IFM, TAA and MX200 and I find that AMMO + TAA + IFM works pretty well for me. In my opinion, it’s not for me or I’m finding a lot of girls who don’t like the smell.

MX200: AMMO… for Asians. This might get them hot and horny right away, but it damn will get them interested in you.

Shine: I think this just makes everyone happy. =D Have yet to find someone regardless of race who hated this… hope I didn’t jinx that.

TAA: TAA by itself just seems to soften the dark serious stuff. Makes AMMO much more likable. Gives MX200 and Shine a boost. Just wish it lasted longer. Doesn’t seem to last me longer than 3 hours.

IFM: Kinda like TAA for AMMO, but I’d say this works directly on the female. TAA will soften AMMO, but IFM will soften the target. That’s kinda how I see IFM.

Gawd that was long, time to go smoke. Hope everyone had a great Christmas and enjoying the holidays. Oh and please, please, please, brush your freaking teeth.

Lol, I’m brushing my teeth, don’t worry Dr. Zeph. :smiley: See?

Cool reports, how would you say your results in China compared to your results in America?

Oh and one more thing. One of the best pheros on the trip hands down:
American Passport

Girls who tell you they have BFs suddenly don’t have them anymore. xD

Hmm differences between China and America…
Got more attention in China to the mixes, but that’s probably also because I’m not a local.
Hits seemed much more blatant in China.
Overall though, I would say that the pheros work the same way, it just seems Americans are more socially restrained. Like I said, it didn’t seem like the girls I ran into were too worried about being found out. Only one girl seemed really super shy, which happened to be that really freaking pretty girl. So I guess overall, mixes seem to work the same way for the most part. The interest that the pheros get you is about the same, how they react socially, a bit different. Like at the ZhongShang, this one girl who already had a BF kept trying to get my number. Got my friends’ numbers, some who didn’t even work with her. Kept coming back 2 days in a freaking row and always looking in my direction. On her last “followup” I was assisting the dentist who was working in her and at the end she shook my hand and then ran away. You don’t usually get those kind of reactions in America.

Yea, if you’re from America and you’re pretty much anywhere in the world except maybe Europe, people will be on your nuts. Korea’s was like that for a while, still kinda is.

Really? In Korea, I felt that Koreans were much more socially restrained. What is culturally different in China compared to Korea? Their recent history? Being ‘liberated’ into Communism rather than being ‘liberated’ into a puppet democracy? I dunno.

When I was in Korea, it seemed like I was getting hits, but before the girls took action, they would immediately restrain themselves. Only one woman that seemed a bit more ‘international’ was particularly forward with her IOIs and behavior.

The rest of the girls definitely showed interest, but kept their actual interaction between themselves. Like I was some sculpture on display, to be admired, but not touched.

I wonder, do Chinese women show interest differently than American Chinese? If so, how do those IOIs differ? Perhaps all the times that Americans think the FOB Asian girl is being shy, she’s really showing IOIs, but they seem too casual to the more sexual American culture.

Kinda like, how today, showing some leg isn’t really risque compared to the 1500s. Anything more than a dental floss bikini doesn’t get too much attention nowadays.

Still got the whole I’m on display type thing. Went to a theme park and the whole time people were just staring at me. Like it was just blatant but they wouldn’t do anything beyond staring, maybe walk closer or walk by to get a better look see… lol. I felt bad for some of the people in my group. A few random Chinese tourists asked the white people if they could take a picture with them. Seriously, it’s like they’ve never seen a white person before.

I think the whole shy fob thing is really what it is. They are shy. I mean, they don’t have the best handle on the language, they’re out of their environment, and the whole culture shock. I think that would make a lot of Asians shy. But I mean, there, it’s their turf, and they KNOW that I am American. I have spiked hair, dress differently and speak English. Not a Chinese national for sure. Here, you see an Asian person and you don’t automatically assume they’re from Asia. And also when I spoke with the girls in Chinese, they were a lot friendlier and more attentive. They were more interested in you. I spoke cantonese and another spoke mandarin so we had the field covered. If you really wanna get someone off your case, just speak perfect English to em a few times, pretend you don’t know what they’re saying and walk off.