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Why? For getting stared at? On Molokai’i, I was the first Korean they had seen (believe it or not!) and many girls were curious about me.

True, but I seem to consistently see European foreign exchange students out and about with Americans than I do Asian foreign exchange students (they hang out amongst themselves). Why is that? I do suppose French/Italian/Spanish is easier to transition into English from, but is language the only issue here? The culture in America is considerably different, that’s for sure.

Okay, so they should be more comfortable. Even then, it seems that most IOIs revolve around coming close, but not really initiating contact. Contrasting that to some hits over here in the states where girls are jumping into my lap, grabbing my body, tracing their hands on me, etc..Asian or non-asian, it doesn’t matter. I suppose that’s mainly a cultural one, considering Chinese culture isn’t as sexual of a culture. Even then though, there’s a sexual culture, and a sexually comfortable culture. But that’s a totally different topic.

Anyways, I guess I’m just being redundant and reiterating what I already assume, which is that culture is more significant than race/ethnicity when choosing pheromones. I have no idea where I’m going with this though. Feels a bit like a ‘duh!’ moment.

Lol, I do that here in America:

Walk past a phone stand in the mall
Getting a sales pitch
Hey! You should check out this new phone plan!
What?
You should check out this new phone!
I’m sorry, I didn’t understand you, could you repeat that please?
Uh..there’s this new phone out and it’s wonderful!
Wow, I really can’t understand you. There must be static. Sorry.
Walk away, leaving them dazed and confused. :smiley:

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ok I’m pretty sure this is the mix I wore for NYE’s:
TAA (10mcg): 1 spray
CTTM mix2: 1 spray
IFM: 1 spray
P74 (10mcg) <phya’s fault getting me interested in it: 1 spray
MX200: 1spray
A314: 1 drop
All to back of the neck.

Went to a friend’s house for a small get together and hopefully out for bar hopping. Bar hopping never happened. Lol. Put on the mix about 1.5 hours before getting there. Small get together, a few people rolled by to say hi before hitting up clubs. Friend put together a really good dinner and then we hit up the alky. Dinner was smelly. It was like krn bbq, smell gets everywhere so I changed clothes (told to bring a change) and put on one spray of P74, TAA and MX200. After I put this on, and people got changed, one of the girls who was there got really, really friendly and touchy around me. Like many people have already said, alky works wonders, toss in some pheros and damn… There was no personal space, pretty much hugging me whenever she asked for something and was trying her best to get me to go out bar hopping with her. I would have gone but after smoking so much + alky + soma = lights out. In addition, my friend, the host didn’t make it to countdown. She ended up going throwing up and going to sleep Most people were too liquor’d up to go out bar hopping so I just passed out and that was a pretty anti-climatic way to end the year. haha.

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Mmm, a bit inebriated… ok, a lot inebriated. MX292 = MX203 on steroids? No, maybe I can’t say that because I used MX292 + MX203… But that combo works… amazingly. Going to smoke a bit and go night night, but really, 292 + 203 is wow.

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Will have to definitely try out this combo when and if I get hold of my Mx292 next month..

Have been reading through your journal and it is really informative and detailed. It’s a shame I hadn’t payed much attention to it before.

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Can you elaborate a little on this mix, I have both MX 292 and MX 203, and would like to know how to combine them.

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I used one spray of MX203 + MX292 when I went to a friend’s place to smoke her out. Her roommate was also there so she smoked also. Her roommate responded really well to the mix. First time I met her and she was fairly flirty. Asking me a few questions about relationships, flirting, etc. “How do you flirt with girls,” “are you in a relationship,” “how do you respond to a girl when she’s flirting with you,” stuff like that. She was baking a cake and when she was done, she sat right inbetween me and my friend where there was barely enough room for her when there was an empty couch right next to us. Definitely one of those situations where pheromones are working, just not interested in the target, so I left in a hurry, haha.
Both sprays were to the back of the neck.

Been using MX292 for about a week now. It makes me want to go out and do something. It also kinda gives off a center of attention type feel to it. And I feel like you really need to be that kind of person which the mix kinda makes me feel like. I stopped testing on it for now because I just don’t think the mix would work too well in my current environment. In terms of attracting women, it seems to be a not in your face type attraction like -none. I feel like it’s a creeper, there’s an initial delay but it seems to hold attention/attraction pretty well. I also don’t think it works well with Asians, but I haven’t been able to confirm that yet.

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I’ve noticed little/no reaction from Asians as well. Reps

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Been changing up my sigs lately. Tried some Openness. Haven’t used it in a while and damn, I won’t shut up with that on. It gives me a strong desire to same something. ANYTHING. And it ANNOYS. THE. HELL. outta me. It’s like that kid with ADHD who’s bouncing all over the place just wanting to run and go nuts. Verbal ADHD.
Openness + TAA works pretty well. Used Openness (str x1) x 2, TAA 10mcg x2 and it got me a few stares. The “why, hello there,” head turn, kinda stare. It’s kinda surprising since I’ve been using (in my opinion) more potent attraction mixes and those seem fairly tame in comparison. Then all of a sudden I put on Openness and it walks into the room screaming “WHAT’S UP MOTHER FUCKERS??” I’m thinking it’s the change in my sig maybe. Kind of a sudden change from AMMO + Honesty + MX200 +TAA to just Openness and TAA.
Also decided to test MX172 (possibly again? don’t remember), mainly self effects. Eh, not too sure how to describe it. Whatever is in it, has some sort of amplifying effect. What I mean by that is it makes me feel more in my mood. Like I really notice my mood and it reinforces the mood. The scent is game-ish but something about it was different. Smelled piney to me at first. Eh, a bit of confidence but not so much like “I’m the man” confidence. It’s a subtle confidence. The type of confidence because you know you’ve got the nuts and your opponent is drawing dead type confidence, while keeping a straight face, and getting em to go all in.

Anyhow, today I wore:
IGx2, IOx2 back of neck in morning.
Reapped at around noon, IGx1, IOx1
So, I missed literally the first 1/2 of all the classes that were offered. People have only seen me once in that class, cept for 2-3 friends. I really don’t think I could have messed up today in class unless I actively tried to fuck up. Girl from a different group came over from her table, to ask me if I needed a stapler to attach our directions to our manuals. And ONLY me. Wtf? It was funny because my lab partner needed one and asks to use it RIGHT after I tell her I don’t need it and she gives my friend the “oh, I guess” response. Another girl from different group is helping me throughout the class, but isn’t too responsive or helpful with the other groups. Near the end of class, one of my friends is complaining a lot and I blurt out “hey xxxx, you’re really pathetic.” WOW! I was appalled, because that would be something I would say to her directly as a joke, but not out loud in front of the whole class (see what I mean? OPENNESS DOES BAD THINGS TO ME). To my surprise, a lot of people thought it was hilarious. My friend was laughing about it after class, but really, I thought it was jacked up calling her out like that in public. People thought it was more funny than messed up apparently. =/

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Yeah, that’s the IO effect allright. I especially find that if I don’t wear it for a while and then add it into my mixes the urge to say something, anything is increased a zillion times. But it’s a great product if you learn how to control it with discipline, which after a whole lot of using I can say is possible. When I conciously know that I’ve sprayed the IO on I make a concious effort to say only what is necessary and now look for the reactions solely from others. Great product, but will definitely take some getting used to again after a while of not wearing it for a while. If you learn to control it after getting used to having it on you again, and say only what is really necessary while having it on, it works absolute wonders in opening the targets up.

Mx172 is an ABSOLUTE GEM of a product in my book. Pity my togo leaked, so I’ve only got about 3 sprays left of it in my arsenal, but the times I have worn it (around new people for the first time) I have absolutely nothing but respect for it’s power for grabbing attention of others to you. Makes you stand out amongst the crowd, and the first time I wore it on it’s own at 2-3 sprays it grabbed me a semi-sexual hit. Combine it with IO and it can work wonders socially, watch people gravitate to you with this combo on. Mx172 is a product that Androtics seriously need to bring back as well.

Nice report there Zeph, BTW.

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blah, broke testing protocol today. Woke up with a “fuck it, let’s put on 3 sprays of some MX… maybe that 292… yeah.”
So, MX292, 3 sprays, 2 to back of neck, 1 to front.
First class, no hits. Zilch, zero, STINGY WITH DINERO. Second class, this cute girl that I notice everytime she’s in class steals a few glances at me when I walk in and past her. Asian, probably 19+. 2 minutes into class, we find out it’s cancelled so I approach one of my friends, the one I called out by calling her pathetic to see if she wanted to take a break and smoke. She gives me the “you’ve got to be fucking kidding me” look. She grabs my arm, locks hers around mine and takes me outside to talk. Says we need to hang out more cause she stresses too much and I don’t stress enough, blah blah, and starts taking me to her next class, still arm locked before I break it off to smoke (yeah, dumb idea, but I fiend). Her reasoning is that she’s got no life cause all she does is study, and I have too much free time cause I don’t care and never study or do hw, so if we can get a mix, I’ll get good grades and she won’t be so stressed.
Later, I’m at a friend’s place and her roommate comes in and does that ferret look. That look when they pop out of their holes, they come up, something grabs their attention and the look in the direction. Yeah, she did that. Walked in, noticed something, and looked right at me… then proceeded to head to us and smoked with us. Huge difference considering last time she was adamant about not smoking. Hung out with us for a long time before me and another friend nerded it up a bit and chased her away.

This time, I didn’t notice much of the scent. I didn’t smell ANYTHING unless I smoked or if there was a strong smell in the area, then I could smell the scent. I’d say it lasted a good 4 hours, at least.

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MX292, 4 sprays, 1 to right/left side of neck, 1 to back/front of neck.
IMF, 2 sprays to front/back of neck.

I really shouldn’t have put this on today considering my only 2 classes had tests in them. First class, came early, didn’t notice anything unusual.
Second class, we have review, then the test a few hours later, so very few people show up. Same girl in last post who kept glancing at me didn’t sit in her usual seat. I sit on the end of my row, the right side. She sat to the right of me, on her end and one row in front. I only point this out because I have NEVER seen her sit there. EVER. ALWAYS in the front. When I come back for the quiz, she sits in her normal seat, in front and behind her, she’s chatting with a friend. She had the field of vision to look at me, but I couldn’t tell if she was glancing at me, or at her friend. If she was in fact glancing at me, it was more of a… I suppose a scouting glance. Like how if you find someone interesting, you kinda stare and wonder why. Eh, maybe that’s just me. During the review “class,” same girl who grabbed my arm was very… chill. Surprising since she’s one of those extremely high strung, always stressing about everything, “omg I’m going to fail this test” kinda girl. I’m thinking IFM at work. Kinda surprising since it was before a test and before a possible quiz in an extremely hard class.

I keep getting a status hit from this one guy with MX292. I don’t know him but he’s in 2 of my classes. Not that I dislike him or he annoys me, but it’s just random having some stranger just talk to you like you’re his friend.

Also, apparently today I was dressed like a “gangster” according to a friend. I suppose I could be mistaken for one, which could also be why less people approached me today. Wore “street culture” clothes, but tried to be social. Not sure how well I was doing it since I came down with a mad fever last night. Trying my best to stay… conscious, so now I’m going to give up on that and pass out.

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MX272
Amazingly, felt a lot better today. A lot of coughing still but I don’t look like I’m dead.
Anyways, 2-3 sprays of MX272. I pumped the spray a bit till there was pressure and tried to spray and got the usual 2 tiny drops, the 1/2 spray and then the “Was that a full spray?” and then added a REAL full spray. About 1/2 the dose to front of neck, 1/2 to back of neck. I’m going to say it was like 2.3ish sprays. It’s really warming up in my area so diffusion is really good.

Self effects: “GET SOME!” attitude. Like outgoing, social type feel. Made me want to be social, not necessarily talkative if that makes sense. I did feel a little aggressive at first, then much more so throughout the day. Probably cause it was a really shitty day, but I REALLY got angry. I’d say it felt a little like -none rage.

First class today is always quiet, hard to test. Early class, boring subject, new professor starting to feel frustration from being a teacher, confusing topic makes for a quiet, not too social class.

Skipped second class to study for a test which I crashed, crashed again, and burned terribly on. Fell down the idiot tree, hit every branch on the way down, tree fell on me and someone came by with a FAIL bat and beat me while I was down. Yea, it was THAT bad.

Anyhow, I’d say the best hits were in my third class. I reapplied 2 more sprays, one to front of neck, one to back of neck. So 7:40am: about 2.3 sprays, 4 hours later around 11:20AM 2 more. Same girl from previous posts (one I called out in lab, one I called pathetic, etc) I’m going to call her W. W gave me no personal space today. Constantly came over to my table really for no reason. Just came over, stood next to me, body contact, would stand around for a bit until she had to go back to her table. Did this at least 4-5 times throughout class. (Her background is 1/2 white, 1/2 Asian, 24). At my table, girl across from me also gave me no room. When she stood next to me, physical contact. I’ve been getting a lot of hits from her when I wear pheros but today, slightly more blatant. (Background: black, not sure of age but at least 19). The girl who sits next to me at my table, very social. I would say she’s not very touchy feely but she didn’t move her foot when it came into contact with mine. At first when she rested her foot on top of mine, I noticed in the corner of my eye that she kinda looked at me to see what reaction I gave. I just pretended not to notice or care so she just left her foot there. Fairly unusual of her. She also wanted to share her handout with me as she placed it inbetween the both of us. I found that pretty… redundant because everyone had their own… probably a hit. (Background: Asian, 19).

I felt really… expressive? today mostly cause I was so angry at how my day was going. It was ironic because people, W and other 19 yr old asian girl thought I was “awake” and “happy” and more social. When W pointed it out, 2 others thought the same. Definitely more social, less bleh, less “sleepy” which friends joked was because I was high, but really, the quick to anger, easily frustrated feeling… withdrawal. Oh the irony… Honestly, I was more pissed, but I just wasn’t showing it. It’s strange because even though I was angry throughout the day, I kept smiling. Now that I think about it, when I was frustrated, I smiled. When I was confused, I smiled. Dunno, kind of a weird response.
Class room was cooler than outside, I’d say low to mid 70s. Outside easily high 70s, low 80s.

I think I’ve tested this before, not too sure, have to go back and check, but if I did, the max I tested was probably 1 spray. Today, about 4.3 sprays total. Overall though, this mix seems to be a feel good social mix that has an underlying, subtle sexual feel to it. Slow on the sexual/attraction, quick on the social. I’m not sure if my anger was due to withdrawal (I’m sure some of it was due to this) or if there was -none in the mix or maybe it’s due to both and the fact that every class I went to, I had a bad time in. There’s gotta be some sorta happy juice in here, or something that makes you smile cause apparently I wouldn’t stop. I’m estimating that my sweet spot is probably 2.5 or 3 sprays considering that 2 sprays + 2.3 (4 hours later) got good hits.
Honestly, I think FOR ME, this seems to work better than 292, but I haven’t used both long enough to have even a slight grasp on these mixes.

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haven’t been trying new stuff or testing. Hitting up the basics, IG, shine, etc. Haven’t been seeing much results. Maybe cause I don’t notice or haven’t been observant. Only thing that kinda happens with IG 2 sprays and openness 2 sprays I won’t shut up. Can’t shut up. I interrupt, I’m much more… assertive about interrupting and will continue and don’t care. It’s kind of bad. Hit up an interview with that combo and just KEPT interrupting my interviewer. Gives me that impulsive “I GOTTA SAY IT NOW” and I don’t think and GG, verbal spam.

Anyhow, I tend not to report unless I get hits, so recently, been using IG, shine, openness, honesty and some P74. Only big hit I got was from my friend’s GF. Warmed up really fast to me and after like 30 minutes of meeting her, we were talking like best friends. Had on residue of IGx8, MX200x8, MX272x6, IH 4x str x4. All this was applied over a 3 hour period. Target came in contact with me about 9 hours after app, hence my use of residue. Is that residue? 9 hours after app? Either way, those were my minimum sprays. I was pretty uhhh inebriated that night but I put on at least that much.

Bleh, all I do is school and its hard to find a good test spot. Be back in like… another 2 weeks.

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Just stopping in to say what up. I feel ya man. After week 6, things get kinda busy. All those end of the quarter papers and reports..reminds me..I gotta get crackin too.

Handle that shit. :smiley:

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Fuck finals.

MX292
Finished off a bottle pretty much.

Yeah, I realized I don’t use the template that other people do, but I’m probably a lot lazier than everyone else. This is going to be quick, tested over 4 days. 2 days with IG, 2 days with IS.

MX292 + IG
MX292, 2 sprays
IG, 2 sprays

Every time I wear MX292 I get more aggressive. It’s a subtle nuance but it happens. Listening to west coast gangster rap music while driving a huge truck in traffic doesn’t help. I found that IG kinda tones this down a little. Maybe not tone down… let’s see… directs the attraction differently. It kinda takes MX292 from a in your face, I’m attractive feel to more of a I’m a keeper attraction. Probably something you would use around a 3rd or 4th time meeting someone. I found that one of my friends seemed to not necessarily be attracted to, but seemed to like the mix. There was definitely a stronger desire to talk to and be around me than usual. It just seems this is a “and this is why you want to be with me” type feel. Security + attraction?

MX292 + IS
MX292, 1.5 sprays
IS, 2 sprays

Still get a slight aggressive feel. Again, listening to west coast gangster rap doesn’t help. It’s that carnal aggression. The “I want to fuck shit up, drive fast and punch shit.” I joke about the music, I get it regardless of what I’m listening to. It kinda lets out that pent up aggression.

With this, really, I have never had so many people just walk up and talk to me. All female. Went to the most boring class I have where people just want to run the fuck out. Stayed after class to take notes from the board and random girls just walked up to me and asked me questions about the class and homework when the teacher was literally a foot away from me and not doing anything. Honestly, I was more shocked and just kinda dumbly told them I didn’t know and pointed to the teacher. LOLOLOL. “uhhhh I’m not sure. You can ask Prof xxxx.” I mean come on, to be fair I was pretty into copying my shit down and I get blindsided. WHO THE HELL STAYS AFTER CLASS? Last time (pheroless) I did that shit no one cared. In retrospect, her question was so… simple and mundane that she was probably trying to open me and MPB kicked in. In addition after that, the professor starts talking to me. She pretty much opened me, in a social way. Just started talking and another student (female) jumped in too. Ended up staying 30 min later than I wanted. Why can’t they just let a guy copy down his notes and fail the class in peace.:stuck_out_tongue: First students were latina, 2 of them. Teacher is white, late 30s, early 40s. Last student was black. Students were 19-21. Also at the beginning of class, I got that head snap, stare, quick embarrassed looked and the turn away. Walked past a student and in the corner of my eye I see her head pretty much jerk around to follow me, has a SLIGHT “screen saver” look in her eyes and in a second snaps out of it and quickly looks forward again. xD

Never had so much interest/attraction with this on. I don’t think I can wear this solo. When I do, it SEEMS like I don’t get as many hits. It might be too sexual for me and needs to be toned down. Not to say this isn’t a great product. It is. I just don’t think I’m using this product efficiently. And DAMN this shit makes me sleepy. I get tired within 40-45 min of it on. Like sleepy tired, the type where it’s almost like food coma, w/o the happy feeling. I stay tired for about… maybe an hour. 50-60 minutes and if I kinda… nod off I seem to be ok for the rest of the duration of the pheros.

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Lol, screen saver look. I whole heartedly agree. Fuck finals. I’ve still got a couple more to go, but they’re pretty much shoe-ins. How about you? You almost done there Zeph?

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One more. Should be easy. Worst is over I think. So exhausted. =/

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I decided to put this in my journal because I didn’t want to go off topic in the 3 blind mice experiment. I think it would just be disrespectful to continue to put opinions in the topic when such strong ones are already present. It may seem like taking sides. I think both sides have valid reasons, it just happens both are VERY passionate. So here’s my post:

/startrant
Research affects everyone, good or bad. Bad things happen sometimes, but so do good things. And IMO, research is pretty much testing on people until someone is right. xD
“Our initial research says this is bad for you.”
“Well, we want to test it, so we will see if it really is bad for you. Our results say that it isn’t bad for you.”
“Our research says yours is wrong.”
“Well, ours says its right.”
etc.
The fucked up part? Because everyone is unique, if a drug “only” hurts 1:100,000 it goes out. It helps more than it hurts, until that 1:100,000 is you or your child right? It would really suck if a drug is safe and has a low chance of bad side effects but happens to screw you over, but at the same time it’s helping thousands of others.
I’m not taking sides, just saying overall, SOMEONE gets screwed. It could be you, your child, a close friend or relative. When you try something out, you’re always wondering how someone or the public will react. If a researcher was developing a drug but was worried about how one person out of 1 million reacted, he’d never release it, because at least one person will react negatively to it. Should a drug or product be banned because it hurts one person? Fuck no. Should it always be used with caution and common sense? Yes, but sometimes shit happens. Learn from it.
/endrant

IMO, I think that the experiment is a GREAT idea. It’s the first single blind experiment we have with multiple testing subjects.
Ok, let me explain why I think this is huge. Normally you use a double blind experiment with a control group. You usually want to use similar cohorts, which we kind of got. Young females in same age range but different areas. The experiment is NOT double blind. The subjects do not know, but the RESEARCHERS, Jasmin, Tish and Mark know. This is to make sure it’s used properly. Research takes a hit for safety, no objections from me. You also have a control GROUP. Which means we would need MORE test subjects to test a placebo. In addition, the test subjects generally have no idea what the drug IS and may be told they are testing a drug, but really testing behavior, etc. The testers we have, have a general idea of what putatives, MXs, and general lines we have and what they do. It CAN be confounded in that sense, but trying to find random willing people to do an experiment OUTSIDE of the forums? Good luck with that.
If you’ve never done research professionally, really, it is fucking HARD to get a GOOD, legitimate and REPEATABLE experiment. And remember, this is mostly SOCIAL. There are no “qualitative” values. We can’t measure shit by a ruler or measuring stick. We can’t measure how interested, happy or w/e this makes us. So getting pretty close to a controlled experiment is AMAZING.

I am in no way knocking anyone. These opinions are my own. I don’t have kids, I am NOT a parent. I think though, there should have been better guidelines. Or rules. I find it hard to… compromise these rules. I understand you don’t want to test unknown pheromones around kids. I agree. But if you have kids yourself… YOU are essentially testing around kids. And as we’ve seen, there are good effects on kids, and VERY VERY bad effects on kids. Ok, now this part, I am really really REALLY trying not to piss anyone off or offend anyone. That was one kid out of several kids. Just like with adult drugs and products, there are going to be people who are adversely affected. I understand that most parents who tried pheromones and realized it could fuck up their kids are simply trying to help others and protect your own. Kids are too young and too underdeveloped and at times won’t say any thing because they don’t want to disappoint or have other reasons not to say anything (there are a ton btw). Here’s the thing, these products ARE being used EVERYDAY around kids. Think of how many people are using them. Think of how many kids are exposed. This is fact: It is unavoidable for people on our forums NOT to test this around kids. Think about it this way, the saying guns don’t kill people, people kill people. You can’t control every person who uses pheromones. Just because you care about your kids and other parent’s children doesn’t mean there aren’t people who don’t care or are oblivious to it. And really, the people who DO post their results here REGULARLY are probably more aware and more keen on the effects, GOOD AND BAD. I’m still new. I’m not stupid. If I find myself in a bad situation with pheromones, I do something about it. I’m wary of children, but that doesn’t mean I catch EVERY SINGLE KID that I might pass or am around. So how do you find a rule/compromise in this situation? What if a molecule they are testing happens to be GREAT for children. Don’t you think there will be a child who reacts very bad to it? How can we do or change things that will maximize research and minimize harm? I think that’s what people should be spending their time and energy on instead of saying I’m right, you’re wrong, over and over and over and over again.

Really, we’re adults. Act like it.

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Sums it up as far as I can see. I was amazed at how many pages of that thread were dedicated to going back and forth. I think the parents in question really just wanted validation that their concerns were valid and real, rather than saying it didn’t matter as much as they thought. Of course, to them, their concerns are very real, and very important. But to others, it may not be as impactful because it obviously doesn’t impact their lives as much, thus it’s reasonable that they wouldn’t put as much importance on the issue. It was really a lack of people on both sides being willing to acknowledge the other sides validity and they were just going back and forth saying “Wait! But acknowledge my point!”.

I’m on the same page as you, ultimately we are testing on children, teens, the elderly, and regular adults. Who’s to say that it’s more respectable testing an unknown substance on an adult over a child when both are vulnerable to adverse effects. The only thing modifying it is, as I said before, the emotional importance of protecting children over adults to a parent.

Either way, that was a waste of time in terms of productivity and energy spent.

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Well, zeph, I agree with you. :wink: It’s funny I was gonna go to the Ballroom and comment there last night but I didn’t. I’ve always felt free to express my opinions here but I decided a few months ago, after the last dust up, to stay out of these “discussions”. No matter what, there are always hard feelings.

The last “attack” on me wasn’t so aggressive as the person went out of their way to be passive-aggressive by not addressing me directly. I did defend myself and my view because it was necessary to clearly make my point but I have avoided that person and most of the threads they’re in, since, and will continue to do so. The funny thing is, I really thought we were going to be friends…then there was the attack. :roll_eyes:

One thing I will say here in the recesses of your journal…I’m fucking sick to death of the holier than thou members who think they are the doyens of all things pheromone. People who are really that knowledgeable and together would take a much more open and considerate approach to others and be more accepting of different testing methods/results than their own.

Reps, sweets, for being one of the best and brightest. You bring light and warmth to everything you touch. :slight_smile: :wink:

Bella