Long term health effects of pheromones?

Honestly, let’s take the natural stuff into perspective here. Would you eat poison ivy? Deadly nightshade? Opium? Poison dart frogs? They’re all natural!

So, are your herbs safer than the fluoride in your water?

By the way, fluoride in water is often natural! How do you think they discovered it saves teeth? Oh, and aspirin is from willow bark.

Don’t put your herbs up on a pedestal and think they’re safe. Just because something is a natural chemical doesn’t make it inherently harmless. Most of the active substances in herbs are made by plants to kill or drive away the insects that try to eat them. Now this does not mean that herbs are not very valuable to us medicinally, nor does it mean they aren’t safe. But it doesn’t mean that they are, either.

Food for thought. Make your own decisions.

For what it’s worth, I use pheromones, and I occasionally use certain herbal supplements. I also often eat organic foods, and I am seriously concerned about all the junk in our food and water.

mbakron :
can you get any of these things…and if so, how may i contact you?

I can get you some nightshade from the back yard, and some poison ivy from the national park nearby, but the rest is up to you!
LOL!

I can also get you poison sumac from the local bog!

This thread reminds me of an anti-cigarette commercial. They listed all these chemicals in cigarette smoke. I took an inventory, and found that I had worked with half of them in the lab in the month before the commercial!:open_mouth:
All of the rest were somewhere in the lab.
So does being a chemist make me a smoker? I sometimes wonder.

I take 200mg/day because the medicinal dose for CV benefits is 1mg/lb of bodyweight and 200mg is the smallest dose available that equals (actually exceeds) my weight. How much, exactly, are you taking and how much do you weigh? I’d like to experience the effect you mentioned, but due to the cost involved, I don’t want to take a 2nd 200mg dose unless its necessary. And I also couldn’t find a recommended dose for mental energy.

How about pregnenolone? Does it help with memory & mental fatigue?

Any comments on this brand Pure Encapsulation? Thanks.

i2w

The First Citizens’ Conference on Fluoride was recently held in Canton, New York, and it revealed some astonishing new research about the dangers of fluoride and why the current political position on fluoridation of public water supplies is based on fraudulent science.

The fluoridation of public water is something that has been highly debated for decades – and yet the practice continues today, despite the growing body of evidence showing that fluoridation causes untold human suffering and disease. Some of the research presented at the conference showed, for example, that fluoridation damages the brain, increases levels of lead in children’s blood and therefore leads to behavioral disorders and brain damage. It also showed that humans are accumulating fluoride in their bones, that fluoride’s toxicity is systemic in the human body, and that the current safe drinking water standards for fluoride were fraudulently authored by officials at the Environmental Protection Agency who were pressured.

These findings were presented by a variety of scientists and researchers, including a senior EPA scientist and a doctor of the Forsyth Dental Center. Not surprisingly, both of these individuals have been fired and have had their careers jeopardized after participating in this conference.

One of the more interesting bits of evidence presented in the study was an internal memo issued by the EPA professional who wrote the current fluoridation safe drinking water standards. In the memo, the official notes how this new standard would produce “teeth gross enough to gag a maggot.” The conference also featured author Christopher Bryson, who wrote the book The Fluoride Deception, who said, “Fluoride science is corporate science, fluoride science is DDT science, it’s asbestos science, it’s tobacco science.”

In other words, fluoride science isn’t scientific at all – it’s distorted science made up by bureaucrats and political officials who have some other agenda in mind rather than public health. If you’re new to this debate on fluoride, you might find some of this information shocking. But I’ve been covering fluoride for several years, and have fought hard at both the local and national level to educate people about the dangers of fluoridation.

There are so many things wrong with the mass fluoridation of the U.S. population that it’s hard to know where to begin talking about it. First off, there’s the idea that fluoride is a so-called “naturally occurring substance in water.” That’s the lie propagated by dentists and the American Dental Association to try to convince people that simply “adjusting the naturally occurring levels” is somehow a good thing to do.

But all of this is based on a distortion. In reality, the fluoride added to the public water supplies in the United States is not organic fluoride at all. It is in fact fluorosilicic acid, which is purchased in bulk from chemical companies, who must be laughing loudly at the idea that they can actually sell this toxic waste product. Why? Because if cities weren’t buying it and putting it into the public water supply, these industrial companies would have to spend millions of dollars disposing of fluorosilicic acid because it is an EPA regulated toxic waste.

Let me put this another way – fluorosilicic acid is a toxic waste byproduct that is produced in the United States by various chemical companies. It represents such a health hazard to human beings that it is regulated by the EPA, and must be disposed of as a toxic waste. And yet, municipalities throughout the United States actually purchase this product and then drip it into the public water supply, and simultaneously call it “fluoride.”

Fluorosilicic acid is not fluoride, it is something very different, and it strikes me as downright bizarre that it is perfectly legal to dump this toxic waste product into the rivers and streams of America as long as it passes through the bodies of human beings first. In other words, it’s illegal to take a bucket of fluorosilicic acid and dump it into a stream, but it is perfectly legal to dump it into the bodies of human beings, whose waste products will subsequently enter those same streams and rivers.

All of this is done under the guise of distorted scientific evidence that claims the mass consumption of fluorosilicic acid somehow improves the dental health of Americans. And yet there is no credible evidence that this is the case. All of the evidence cited by the EPA, the American Dental Association, and dentists has been fraudulently concocted, and quite frankly is decades old.

Across America today, you see the effects of mass fluoridation all around you – you see children with darkened teeth from fluoridosis, you see elderly people breaking their bones because fluoridation of the water supplies contributes to brittle bones. You see children with behavioral disorders that are multiplied by the effects of lead in their bloodstream, and lead uptake is enhanced in the presence of fluoride in public water.

You also see a great number of neurological disorders in the U.S. population. You see problems with migraine headaches, clinical depression, dementia, and Alzheimer’s, and there is a very strong link between these diseases and the long-term consumption of fluoride in the public water supply.

Beyond all of this, there’s the important question of why dentists and public health officials think the public water supply is an acceptable medium through which to mass medicate the U.S. population in the first place. It is a forced medication that has no consideration for the nutritional choices made by individuals who might be drinking that water. Some individuals might be using fluoridated toothpaste, and thus if they’re drinking fluoridated water, they could easily be getting too much fluoride and suffer from fluoridosis.

The public water supply is a bad place to be putting drugs and medications in an effort to alter the chemistry of the U.S. population. I’ve even heard some doctors who are excited about the supposed benefits of statin drugs say that we should drip statin drugs into the public water supply the way we do fluoride. They say the benefit is so widespread that everybody should be taking these drugs. It would be ludicrous to suppose that we should mass-medicate the entire U.S. public with statin drugs by dripping them into the public water supply, and yet this is exactly what takes place every day right now with fluoride, which is also a bioactive chemical compound that could reasonably be classified as a drug. Using the public water supply to mass medicate people is bad policy. It’s also bad science, and it takes away the freedom of choice from the U.S. population. It is Big Brother at its worst.

One of the other things I find so interesting about this debate on fluoride is that dentists and doctors will leap to defend this practice at every opportunity – and why? Is it because there’s good scientific evidence that fluoridination is somehow beneficial to the public? No, it’s because they’ve been told to support it by their associations, such as the American Medical Association and the American Dental Association.

In community meetings, I’ve seen local dentists jump up and down and scream about how important fluoridation is for public health. These people use their apparent authority to try to convince everyone that they should be mass medicated with this substance. I find this especially bizarre because many of these dentists and doctors promote this as a nutritional prevention strategy – they’re talking about fluoride as being essential nutrition for the human body, and therefore we should put it into the water supply. And yet, if you mention that the most common nutritional deficiencies are in fact magnesium, zinc, vitamin D, and the B vitamins, they will look at you as if you are speaking some kind of alien tongue. Apparently in their minds, there is only one nutritional deficiency that exists in the world, and that is a fluoride deficiency. All other nutritional deficiencies are called quackery, and the idea of dripping zinc into the public water supply would be called absurd by these doctors and dentists. And yet they are more than happy to drip a toxic waste byproduct into the water supply, as long as it is called a nutritional deficiency that needs to be overcome through the forced mass medication of the entire population.

All of this is so bizarre that a reasonable person can only conclude these doctors and dentists are operating on auto-pilot. They are parroting whatever their organizing associations are telling them to say. They’ve been sucked into the myth that fluoride is automatically good for everyone and that every person in the country should be dosed with this bioactive chemical compound.

And to top it off, they are extremely arrogant about the whole thing. They act like because they are dentists, they are qualified to talk about this one single nutritional deficiency and its effects on the entire human body. In fact, dentists have no qualifications to talk about the effects of fluoride on the human nervous system, the blood supply, behavioral disorders or other physiological effects. Dentists are really only qualified to talk about what’s happening with your teeth – not drugs or chemicals that you ingest and that have a systemic effect.

At the same time, most western doctors aren’t qualified to talk about nutrition, either. They’ve had almost no nutritional training in their medical schools, and simply remain illiterate about the relationships between nutritional deficiencies and chronic disease. So, you essentially have a whole group of experts that know nothing about the subject they are talking about, but yet who grandstand and claim to be the authorities on it and pound the public into the mistaken belief that people should be dosed with this toxic waste product regardless of the scientific facts.

This is essentially a mass experiment now being conducted on the American population, and I think we are seeing some the effects of this in the worsening health statistics in this country. Fluoride is also thought to suppress intelligence and independent will, which may explain some of the reasons why the U.S. population is so easy to control through propaganda and media manipulation. In fact, there is some interesting research going way back about fluoride being used on wartime prisoners as a truth serum in an effort to get them to go along with the capturing nation’s propaganda. So, in an almost comic sense, the mass medication of the U.S. population with fluoride could, in a very real sense, be turning our country into a nation of mindless zombies. Of course, that’s an exaggeration of what’s probably really happening, but no doubt it has some influence.

Now what does all of this mean for you, as consumer? What should you do to protect yourself from fluoride? First off, you should never use products that contain fluoride. That is, don’t use toothpaste or mouthwashes that contain fluoride. Also, don’t purchase bottled water that has added fluoride in it. I think that’s a ridiculous product to have on the shelves.

Don’t drink from the public water supply. Of course, if you’re drinking tap water right now, you probably need to step back and question your judgment anyway – tap water contains so many toxic chemicals (such as chlorine) that it represents a risk to human health even without the fluoride. One of the simplest and most important things you can do to protect your health and the health of your family is to get yourself a faucet-mounted water filter such as a Britta filer or a PUR filter that uses carbon-block filtration to remove fluoride, chlorine, and other water contaminants. Better yet, drink water that is filtered through reverse osmosis or is distilled.

Best of all, if you can afford it, drink spring water as your primary source of water. And don’t fall for the propaganda that says we should be mass medicating our entire population with a toxic waste product called “fluoride.” It’s based on bad science, the egos of misinformed medical authorities, and political power grabs that have nothing whatsoever to do with protecting the public health.

Hmm…
Fluoride, F-, should help prevent tooth decay by making them resistant to acid. (There is a lot in chemistry that utilizes this principle.) It will ONLY work by surface contact, though. Drinking it does no good, it just works as it flows over the teeth. And unless I’m mistaken, fluorosilicic acid should NOT release much F-.

Based on this, I can see how fluoridating water may have no valid medical benefit, and may have serous drawbacks. At the very least, they’re using the wrong type of fluoride!

Sodium fluoride in toothpaste, however, should be quite useful! It contains lots of available F-, and you shouldn’t be swallowing a whole lot of it. I do question the use of stannous (tin) fluoride in toothpaste, because tin is somewhat toxic, and stannous fluoride has significantly less available F- than sodium fluoride. In short, sodium fluoride should give your teeth more benefit per gram of fluoride you put in your body.

By the way: yes, fluoride does turn your teeth brown/yellow.

Chlorine, however, is very important, because it kills any microbes in the water. The benefit here certaily outweighs the risk. I do question the use of chloramines, though.
Bottled water contains ozone instead, which is really no less harmful than chlorine, and in fact works by the same mechanism.

Oh, and by the way: Did you ever wonder why there are no requirements for long-term safety testing on herbs and dietary supplements?

Think the bureaucrats who struck down legislation requiring it had another agenda?

(This is not to say that the bureaucrats who introduced the bill didn’t have an agenda of their own.)

In the end, the point I really want to make is this:

You are going to great lengths to keep certain things out of your body by going with this organic food and purified water route.

Then you go and put all these unknown things in your body!!!

I know some herbs have great benefits, but I can promise you that some have significant negatie effects, too.

I never eat the ones with negative side effects, all these herbes have been used for tens of thousands of years by animals, human, per humans, fish, birds. Anyways, i havent had a single heath problem since i have been taking this, have never been sick since, feel 100% every day, have a glowing healthy face.:smiley: All this stuff costs was less than drugs and surgary, i am never sick, never ever, feel 100% every day, perfect mental focus.

(The pharmaceuticals can shuve codex alimentarius up their ass)

People and animals in certain areas have been drinking fluoride-rich water for thousands of years, but it takes careful scientific study to pick out most of the true effects of it.

How long did people have lead pipes and lead paint before someone figured out what it was doing to people? Answer: over 1000 years!

Considering the homework you’ve done, you’re probably at pretty low risk. But risk is still there.
We all take risks, and if herbs improve the quality of your life, go for it. Odds are, you’ll benefit from it and never see any ill effects.
Odds are, I’ll be fine drinking tap water.

Just don’t sit there imagining that there is no risk whatsoever.

The idea of convincing people to drink fluoride only appeared when the US military was producing huge amounts of fluoride when they were transforming nuclear products to make atom bombs. They needed a way to get rid of it so they thought of funding false researches to convince people it was good. Note that during this period, the workers in the fluoride factories kept dying, the military needed to be clean of any wrong doing. Because dumping fluoride, mercury, lead into rivers was illegal, and storing fluoride was extremely expensive, they found a way of convincing people that they needed to eat/drink/brush teeth with this substance by telling them it was good for their teeth. These days, ever few weeks, a study comes out that says fluoride causes cancer, brain damage, destroys teeth. Yes, fluoride does make teeth 4,3% stronger, but it makes teeth 36% more brittle, and over time, it make your teeth about 200% weaker. Hmmm, think about it, cancer, better teeth for a year, then terribly bad teeth, brain damage, sure looks like a good deal to me, NOT! Lets buy this stuff and drink it, it’s destroying our brains, but the 4,3% increase in tooth strength for a year outweighs the brain damage, NOT! ARE YOU CRAZY!!! FLUORIDE IS THE WORST POSSIBLE THING YOU CAN PUT IN YOUR BODY AFTER URANIUM, MERCURY, LEAD(excluding man made things like agant orange for example)! Anyways, Nuremberg laws say that you can’t mass medicate people, when I grow older, I will be suing the government about this.

(when i say are your crazy, i am only talking to pro fluoride peps)

lol goddamn. and I just got done with a dental cleaning where they gave me blueberry flavor flouride. The thing though is these were civilian dentists working in the Naval hospital.

Also, forgot to say that mercury fillings are terribly dangerous (they are called silver fillings so that it doesn’t scare you), as soon as they are removed from the human mouth, they are considered extremely dangerous, hmmm, we put it right in our mouths, not dangerous in mouth, put dangerous out of your mouth… (I think you get the idea, is highly dangerous in our mouths)

My solution: eat chlorella everyday, it removes every single type of poison from the human body including uranium, mercury, lead, fluoride, pcbs, agent orange, ddt, has every single mineral the human body needs including germanium, has over 40 000 different enzymes that your body needs and that aren’t found in a vitamin supplement, heck, theyhavent even been discovered yet, it is about 60% protein, has all good fats like omega 3s, has carbohydrates, one of the perfect foods on earth. Eat chlorella everyday, you will feel like shit at first because all the toxic crap is coming out of your body. Get all you mercury fillings removed, just before the dentist starts playing around in your mouth, drink a huge 25g of chlorella with water, this will prevent your body from absorbing all the mercury. And remember, chlorella isn’t a drug, you cant overdose, eat it until your cancer is cured, cures ADHD, cures everything, if your mouth stinks, drink chlorella, if you are tired, drink it, if you have an iron defficiency, drink chlorella, really, it cures EVERYTHING, you could live on this only.

Hehe.. I’ve always had this feeling that the military put lots of chemical crap in its foods in the galleys. Eggs just don’t make me feel the same as eggs made at home. Am I the only one that notices this? Every other government worker doesn’t notice a difference.

Boy were they dumb, then. All they’d have to do is mix it with calcium carbonate, (limestone,) and they’d produce calcium fluoride. This is virtually harmless; it can’t suck calcium out of the body if it already has as much as it can handle. Additionally, calcium fluoride could be used to make optics, or just pretty crystals.

By the way, if you have your mercury fillings removed, are you going to replace them with something? You might, (or might not,) want to do some more reading!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_amalgam
Composite resins used in modern fillings contain bisphenol A, a known carcinogen, and also contain other cancer suspect compounds. http://www.dbc.ca.gov/pdf/dmfsmay04.pdf
Also, many modern fillings release fluoride! :wink:
http://www.goadentist.com/fillings.htm

There isn’t much mercury in mercury fillings. (>3%) You’ll be exposed to more if the prevous owner of your house broke a mercury thermometer and didn’t get all the mercury. Or if you eat fish out of a lake where someone once dumped it.
Whether you go with composite or amalgam fillings, I think the benefits overwhelm the risk.

Anytime I hear the words “always”, “never”, “everything” or “nothing” I become suspicious.

I will remain skeptical that it cures everything… and that you can’t overdose… and that you can live on it alone. Saying it “cures” is also a tall order… now I have never even heard of chlorella before, but I can safely conclude that:

There is no one thing that cures everything. (Wouldn’t that be something we all knew about?)
You can overdose on anything, if you try hard enough. (Even water, if you drink too much, can cause death.)
Anything that contains everything you can live on, would probably be more widely known.

Certainly chlorella sounds interesting, and I plan to research it…

But what’s all this got to do with pheromones?

slowly we have gotten away from the topic, and again i want to refer to anyone who has actually tested themselves in any way/shape/form before and after using synthetic 'mones just to get a handle on what they do.
even though i have no intention of stopping their use, i have gather they eventually make changes to our bodies do to the fact that we respond to them… the daily responding alone may mean something. i for one see the domino-effect of pheromone usage…making one feel say confident…altering the course of destiny (after all, i NEVER would have said/done that!) …and making the world a sexier place to live in.
arent we all better people for having made someone next to us want to take their clothes off?
i say MHARRIS for president!!! :smiley:

Actual testing ?.. yes, we can do that…

The best source for do it yourself blood testing is The Life Extension Foundation. They are found at :

lef.org

They offer a wide range of blood tests. You can order them online or call their laboratory in Florida. You go to your local LabCorp blood drawing center with the requisition form, they pull the blood into the appropriate tubes and send it in for analysis. They do have more tests than appear on their webpage if yoy call Susan Luchick a the lab, she’s the manager there, you can find a few more exotics.

LEF excels at hormonal testing and offers high end blood lipid profiles, bone metabolism tests, reb blood cell magnesium (I suggest this one, as there is a lot of low magnesium condition out there, and ONLY the RBC test will give your true Mg values… not the cheap plasma test which is useless), clotting factors… like didja know that Factor I, fibrinogen, is a significant factor in predicitng lethal coronary events ? …

Not surprisingly, the FDA and the medical “system” hates LEF and has tried to shut them down, then the FDA lost a significant case against LEF, looked like absolute fools, and pretty much leaves them alone nowadays.

Also not surprisingly, the health care delivery mafia, ummm, infrastructure I mean, has figured out a way to “cooperate” and prevent LEF from doing blood draws in the states of New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut… which is rather fishy, is it not ?, that you CAN get your bloodwork done in 47 other states and nobody has a problem with that.

All said, I have shown no metabolic deviations in hormonal chemistry, prostate function, blood clotting factors, vitamin D levels, red or white blood cells, or blood lipids… shoot, I even ordered up an expensive ANA (anti nuclear antibodies test) to see if there were any auto-immune problems lurking in the bushes… honestly we could not find a thing… in me…

If you want the most comprehensive, scientifically valid nutritional test on the planet, you should really look into the Spectracell assay, which will tell you how efficiently your nutrients are being utilized at the cellular level… IMO this test should be mandatory for everyone in nursing homes, as malnutrition is a widespread, poorly addressed condition in our elder population…

http://www.spectracell.com/

Oh, ummmmm… our enlightened health care delivery system in New York State has forbidden doctors in New York State form ordering or drawing blood for the Spectracell test… which is both profoundly weird and profoundly corrupt… because I worked in the laboratory where the Spectracell test originated (the Clayton Labs at the University of Texas) and those people are committed, 100% legitimate, world class scientists…

It is the real deal.