So, the pheromone combo I use makes me feel fantastic. It can always put me in good mood. It’s almost drug-like. The effects are so dramatic that it makes me wonder if it is in-fact a drug, as in, does it have any long term side effects? Are there health risks? If there were, would we know? Is it addicting? Does dependency develop? Tolerance? Any thoughts?
I dont think pheromones are addictive. but I have built up a bit of a tolerance as far as self effects are concerned sometimes I take a break from using IO and IS so that I can get the happy feeling back. Are there health risks? I dont know but Im sure one of the more experienced users will tell us shortly.
Drugs and pheromones have no relations to one another. Pheromones do not cure, neutralize, rehabilitate nor stabilize an individual in any way or form. Tolerance can be achieved with mones if used excessively everyday with no “free” day. In cases like that you may not feel that “high” from self effects anymore. In other cases people dont get self effects anymore after a while as well.
Tisha has been a mone user for well over 10 years and shes perfectly fine, healthy, and what not 
Even if it were possible for them to be harmful we are only putting them on ourselves in minute quantities and it isnt enough to be a risk. Moderation is key in all facets of life even pheromones 
With regular use, the self medication effects will fade. I used to feel like a drank a bucket of coffee my first month and, 8 or 9 years out, don’t feel a damn thing. And I’m glad as the purpose of using mones is to influence and control other people and not to fall on your own damn sword.
However realize mones are natural substances from our bodies and skin bacteria. If they were dangerous unbathed cavemen would have died out long ago by ODing on their natural mones…
OK I think there is a major assumption that cavemen produced as much pheromones on as we use in sprays. Also I think it’s hard to call our pheromone use moderation when it’s more than we can naturally produce.
So I will say this. Is it possible to have side effects? I believe so. Several testers have reported headaches and face twitching with some products. They seem to go away after a while. Is it possible for this to becom addictive? Anything that gives you excitement can become psychologically addictive. If you don’t think so, try walking away or taking a break. It can be hard.
I don’t know of any long term studies for pheromones. So there is no definite answer as to whether it causes long term health issues. However, it appears that pheromones do have an affect on some hormones. Hormones do have an affect on the body.
So take everything here with a grain of salt. Yes there are some users here that have been using pheromones for years with no issues. There are also some smokers that never get cancer. I’m not saying pheromones are dangerous. I’m sure they aren’t, but you need to take responsibility for your own health. Therefore you need to understand that anything you use on your skin, breathe in, or ingest can have an adverse affect on your body.
Well I sincerely meant “moderation” in the realm of using pheromones I dont adhere to this common trend of wearing 40-60 mcgs of 4-6 different molecules on top of Ammo/A314 or the like. I consider A314 a healthier product to use because its an oil and isnt firing off everything like a stack of fireworks like certain mixes will.
I’m gonna die one of these days either way. Pheromones help me fill my needs as a human. The only thing I can say that I do is I spend as much time possible not using pheromones so that I minimalize the likeliness of risk.
Nothing works for sure but I know using mones constantly is taxing on the body.
I’m not sure what you are talking about here, with “4-6 different molecules” etc.
I wear IG, IHx4 IOx4 and ISx1, with good results. Sometimes the results are mixed if I put the same combo on twice in the same day (with 4-6 hours inbetween). I’m not sure what “extra” spray these mixed reactions result from.
The mix results come from diffusion times for each product. All of these products have more than one molecule. The molecules have different weights which affect their diffusion. So when you reapply, there are some mones still on your skin. This causes mixed reactions, but they shouldn’t be large changes in reactions. This becomes more apparent with products that have -none in them.
A better person to explain this is Tisha. Hopefully she shows up and adds or corrects this.
Actually, I heard that the spray form might be a bit safer, since more from the oil form actually get diffused into the circulatory system. I believe Tisha mentioned this once
Good point. I suppose the medium of oil has its issues as it gets absorbed into our body no telling of what else occurs after that. Theres another very viscous medium that has potential health concerns that resemble DPG and HG.
Not that I know anything on the subject. At least were only putting mere drops (1-5) so it shouldnt be too much of a risk.
I’m sure you have measured the natural mone output and accumulation of many unbathed individuals and know this to be true. As usual, the devil is in the details and not everybody has the same mone application habits as you. I shower 2 or 3 times daily and have little chance of skin bacteria having the time to breakdown A1 on my skin and produce natural mones such as as androstenol or androstenone. Thus, I practice mone replacement therapy in an attempt to produce a natural balance of desirable mones without the funk. I typically wear 2.5 mcg or 5mcg of androstenone for a date, hardly a massive dose and, I suspect, not an OD compared to an 18th European with annual or semi-annual bathing habits. Of course, someone wearing 100mcg of an MX or Experimone is a different story and by any definition is unnatural.
I dont like to talk about this subject because people have the tendency to take everything out of context or think I am trying to harm AD in some way.
I am not going to lie to you though, I have had issues. Not with the main stream mixes like the consumer stuff but with some of the advanced putatives.
P94 gave me the first real anxiety attack I ever had in my life. Course I was testing a megadose at the time. It sucked.
Meo-est your couldnt pay me to use. I hate it. Its like dropping acid. Well not that bad but I get weird dreams and feel like my thinking is all screwed up. My husband said more then once, “your not making any sense” when I used it around him. He was actually worried LOL.
TAF in high doses gives me swollen glands in my neck, Low doses dont bother me. Took me a year and a lot of medical visits to figure out it was high TAF doing it. Low doses are fine for me though.
These are just reactions I have had though. Could be part of my natural chemistry combined with the mones. Not everyone experiences them. Just because I did doesn’t mean you will to.
You have to remember that anything can be dangerous if used wrong or carelessly. I can kill you with water not by drowning you but by making you drink to much of it. Should you not drink water. Of course you should but dont over do it.
I am not trying to scare anyone or make them not want to use mones, just remind you to use common sense. Pay attention not only to getting laid with these products but your own health and well being. Testing advanced stuff has its risks. We dont know what some of these things can do thats why we are testing them. If you dont want to take that risk stick with the consumer products. Those are very safe IMO. If you want to test the advanced stuff then go for it but remember moderation and mindfulness are important.
Relatively I feel both the consumer products and the advanced are safe to use in moderation. They are no more or less harmful then other consumer products we use on our bodies. Look at whats in your deodorant, after shave, shampoo etc etc… I dont feel AD would sell something that they had direct knowledge of being harmful in any way. I know they wouldn’t they wont even sell A1 because it can make people feel blue. They stick to the safer molecules for obvious reasons ( if your dead you cant buy mones snort ) but we are all different and some of us react different. (Just kidding they wont kill you)
If you find a negative effect stop using that product right away.
As Olfact has stated I have been using mones for over 10 years. I have not however been using the wide range of putatives that I use here for 10 years. They have only been available for 5 or 6 years here. So far I can say I have had no real serious long term problems. Does that mean you wont ? I dont know.
You pretty much covered it. Some molecules diffuse faster then others. Therefore when you reapply the combo is not the same as when your originally applied to the clean body especially if your using that many different mixes together.
You also have to take into consideration mone conversion. Some mones convert into other mones because of bacteria.
Also you own natural mones are going to increase after a walking around all day.
When I do a reapply the same day of my combo I dont use the same amount I did as the original application. I cut it in half because I am refreshing not working with a clean canvas so to speak.
Sometimes if a bathroom is available I will even go in and freshen up a bit. Use a wet nap to remove some old mones before I apply new ones. Depends on my environment and whats available to me that day.
Theoretically yes. The mones diffuse faster and you absorb less into the deeper layers of skin when you use alcohol. Oils tend to absorb more.
Frankly I cringe when I read these type applications. There is no way we naturally make the amount of mones some people are using here on a daily basis.
Some people dont understand moderation…
I dont use more then 3 MIXES at once. If I layer mixes I cut back on the sweet spot dose of each mix.
I dont use high mcg’s when I am using putatives to steer my mix. Usually if I am complimenting a mix I am using under 10 mcg’s total of a putative. I see some people using 100 mcg’s. Just because 100 was your sweet spot for testing the single putative dosent mean thats how much you use to steer another molecule. You have to test how the single putative works combined with that mix or other molecule and that can be a whole new sweet spot.
I dont use mones everyday. I take a few days off a week from them. Sometimes I will go a whole week without using them. Depends on what I am doing. I think anything can be addictive depending on your outlook and your personality. So yes some people can get addicted. Not chemically like a drug but mentalily.
I do shower everyday sometimes more then once.
On my health outlook with mones …
I am health conscious and mindful of any bad reactions I could be getting.
I take vitamins and eat right 90% of the time to ensure I am not depleting anything I need to stay healthy.
I cut back on using other toxic substances just to ensure I am not turning into a walking chemical plant. My shampoo and conditioner are all natural. My makeup is all natural. I try to eat organic. I use non toxic cleaning supplies. Stuff like that. That’s just me though. I feel better about using mones when I approach it this way… Oh I also do a body detox once every 3 months.
Do you have to do all that stuff ? Nope LOL… Its your body do what you want but just use common sense and be mindful.
Tisha
I’m not really sure if this is a diss or not. And if it is, I’m not sure why it is warranted. You made an assumption that the pheromone sprays we use are safe because cavemen would have died from OD if their natural pheromones if it weren’t. Have you tested unbathed cavemen for pheromone levels? See, it goes both ways. A male produces somewhere around 6mg of testosterone per day at his peak. That may seem like a lot when you compare mg to mcg, but how much of that testosterone actually makes it to the skin as A1 even?
At no point in time did I criticize or even comment on your mone usage. My comment was purely on your statement about using cavemen as proof of how safe synthetic pheromones are.
Thanks for your honesty in this. Specific things I have noticed is occasional light headaches. I also get a slight pain in my lungs when I spray IS on my face. I know that’s probably not the smartest thing to do, I seem to get the best self and other effects with facial application. The feeling in the lungs made me wonder, however, if it’s analogous to huffing.
The whole cave-man conversation is interesting…I noticed that sometimes I get better results when I don’t use deodorant, which is fascinating because it’s so counter-intuitive. I can’t bring myself to not use deodorant every day.
On the deoderant thing, there are a few posts here about that. MHarris, the creator of AD says in one post that he goes without conventional deoderant. I have opted to do the same. I use some kind of salt crystal deoderant that works amazingly. Honestly natural pheromones can be very powerful if you can get rid of the bad smells.
Don’t bad smells and pheromones go hand in hand? We cover them, not eliminate them, right?
I noticed a side effect…well it got bigger..and I am not embarrassed to say that.
all joking aside I havent noticed any side effects so far and I regularly brave it and put 5 - 6 different mones on at once. So far the only product to give me any kind of bad reaction was ammo and it was just the scent I didnt care for and found harsh to breath in.
You remind me of a kid on a HS debate team! Of course I don’t know a fucking thing about Nethanderthal or prehistory Homo Sapian mones and neither do you. Methinks you take yourself and these forums way too seriously. You, in fact, choose to pluck the smallest, least important and most speculative and whimsical part of my post, call it out and dog it like Mr. Science to the recuse. Seriously, you can fling a few turds but are unable to process a little return fire? Poor thing.
Realize this forum is not like real life. You can’t see facial expressions or hear tone of voice, so the spirit of one’s thoughts are not evident. Think of this place like an drunken conversation in a bar during happy hour. These are not carefully measured prose or well edited and formed thoughts. This is not a term paper. I repeat, this is not a term paper. Just a bunch of folks shootin’ the shit 'n and spinning ideas off the top of their heads. I understand you’re relatively new around here, so maybe you haven’t gotten the flow yet. Nevertheless, if you feel a burning need to arm yourself with references and challenge, scrutinize and debate whimsical prose there are plenty of places for that.
And, as you well know, I have no scientific evidence AD mones are not harmful. I also know you have no scientific evidence that AD or other artificial mones are harmful. I do have my personal experiences since 2002, and would have quit long ago if I had even the shadow of a doubt I was somehow being harmed. I’ve used hundreds of mone products at every reasonable dose and suffered not. And now I’ll kiss both your rosey cheeks and return to my cold one and happy hour.