Losing hope in Pheromones (Plz Help)

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Hey everyone I hope all is going well with you. I received my pheromones a week ago and I have not experienced anything at all. I got Instant Shine, Instant Female Magic, Turn up the Heat, AMMO and Come talk to me (mix 2) and Instant Honesty as a free gift. I am a 20 year old college student in St Cloud Minnesota. Here are my tests so far

Day 1
1 spray of CTTM (mix 2) on each of my wrists. Went over to school. No results at all. Came home took a shower to get ready for wrok and then decided to test out my pheros again by spraying one spray of CTTM on my right wrist and and 2 shots of AMMO on either side of my neck. No results at work either

Day 2
1 spray of AMMO on each of my wrists. Went over to work. No results at all.

Day 3
1 spray of TUTH on my right wrist. Went over to work. No results yet

Day 4
1 sprays of Instant Female Magic on each side of my neck. Nothing at all

Day 5
2 sprays of CTTM(mix 2) on each of my wrist and 1 shot of AMMO on my neck. Went over to school. Nothing at all.

What am I doing wrong? I am not getting any hits at all. Everything seems to be the same when I didn’t have these pheromones. I need some help here. I also use deodrants and and body sprays such as AXE. Are these hindering my pheromones in some way or another? Help me out here guys

Thanks

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Don’t despair, sometimes when you looking for results they are hard to spot. Just take it easy

Try 2 sprays of CTTM to your hair and one to your neck and start a conversation with a couple of people. Wait for the floodgates to open.

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This may the ghosting effect. It’s like going to work in normal business attire, then the next day in club wear, then the next day in a tuxedo. Kind of weird, eh? People may be getting a slew of different phero signatures from you and it’s confusing them on a subconscious level. Of course, I could be wrong and the pros may disagree.

Wouldn’t recommend TUTH at work.

I would stop using for about five days and observe peoples reactions to you. I mean really observe them. Make an effort to initiate conversations and see how it goes.

Then, I would take two sprays of Instant Honesty (to the neck area and the wrists) and make an effort to initiate conversations. I would be surprised if you did not see immediate results. Be aware of the quality and quantity of what you’re hearing. Also take note of what you say in the conversation.

I would caution though, beware of the self effects. If that doesn’t work, raise it to three shots the next day, and so on.

Good luck!

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stick with it. i would switch up the testing regimen too. your coworkers and friends literally got bombed with 4-5 different phero sigs within a week and probably don’t know how to react. also, using one spray of a product for only one day is not enough to solidify your results. you’ll want to find the right dose of each product and then begin to layer on products to tune your mix.

it sucks, i know. especially after reading all the good hit reports here it’s very easy to think “alright let’s spray and go get some hits.” like anything of value, it takes time. eventually people will react to your phero sig and you’ll know your mix well enough to actively work towards those responses, not to mention saving pheros in the process.

keep at it and let us know your results.

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Read through this post: Congruence? What's That?
It’ll help a lot.
Here are some tips:
Start off with ONE pheromone.
Use ONE pheromone for a week at varying doses. Try Instant Shine. Start off with 2 sprays one day, 3 the next, 4 the next, 5 the next and then bring it back down to 2.
Be observant. Don’t go looking for hits, but be aware of your surroundings. You might get small hits and not notice it. It could be a smile you wouldn’t normally get, a glance, etc.
Use appropriate pheromones. Don’t use AMMO and TUTH at say a funeral. Using CTTM mix 2 and expecting girls to talk to you in class may not be realistic depending on the environment.
Keep in mind that TUTH sends a signal for sex/strong attraction. Using TUTH off the bat, unless you’re in say a club or bar may not get you the results you want.
Everyone’s phero sig is different, you’re going to need to find your sweet spot which may take anywhere from a few days to a few months. Other people also have different sweet spots, what might work for one girl, may be completely offensive to another.
Family and friends are use to your phero sig, so they already know who you are and what you are like. Pheros may not be as effective among those who have been around you or are familiar with you.
Hope that helps.

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hmmmm…
id be interested to know if you feel any self-effects.
with any of them actually.

results are subtle at first because in a work environment for instance, others may try not to react/say things differently even when they feel inclined to do so, because the relationships are cooler,more distanced.

you need a good month of playing with them i think.
its funny, once you recognize a hit, you look back and see several you blew-off before :slight_smile:

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What you’re seeing is to things.

  1. One spray is usually not enough to get blatant “hits”, and
  2. As a newbie, you may not be aware of responses that you get just yet.

This is almost certainly not a “ghosting” effect, according to my understanding of the definition of that term, because that is one of the things that can happen when you OD. You haven’t OD’d. By far.

There are also other factors to consider. Were you in range of a single person long enough to affect them? It usually takes about five to seven minutes unless you’re wearing a large amount of pheromones, you have on a very attention-getting combination, or you’re wearing a slow release product.

Was the airflow blowing away your pheromones, or perhaps you were moving around too much?

Finally, some pheromones, such as the main one found in IFM, are difficult to see blatant results of (in some situations) even when they are having blatant results. IFM generally causes women to relax, but it seems to have the most obvious results when they are the most volatile. Instant Shine is one that requires either a lot of sprays or application near the nose to see effects on others or self, respectively (at least for me). I have also had hits that I didn’t realize were hits for a few hours or days. Gegogi advocates never spraying pheromones on your face, but I have found that application of Instant Shine to my chin/beard makes me feel significantly better with just one spray. Perhaps you might try that and see what happens.

To get to know a pheromone, use it for three or four days at one spray - generally to the wrists is best - and then take a couple days off. Then, try it at 2 sprays for three or four days, and take a couple days off. Repeat this all the way to five sprays or overdose, depending on the pheromone.

If you want to see quick proof that pheromones work, try using 8 sprays of CTTM2. Just don’t drive until it wears off. That is a serious overdose, and it will make you and everyone close to you respond in a pretty obvious way. It’s fun and harmless, too, as long as you don’t drive for a few hours. Or wear 8 sprays of Instant Honesty to your own neck and see if you can help but start telling people things you don’t want them to know. These are overdoses, and won’t usually produce the best social results in normal situations, but they’ll show you it’s working until you get the dosing down for what you want.

Otherwise… just be patient, when discovering each one, and be sure to pay close attention.

It is wise to start with one spray, but remember that 1 to 5 sprays is the range of normal doses depending on the pheromone… some will give good results at 1 spray, and some may not start showing obvious results until 5 or more, while some will show massive overdose at 5 sprays, or may be OD for some people at those doses and not for others.

Just take some time and get to know them. You’ll see results.

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Great advice by everybody so far.

There are key elements that are missing to your report. The first thing is you want to test out on pheromone at a time for at least a week. The second, and what I feel is the most important, is what is the environment you are using them in. Saying “nothing” with zero information doesn’t say much. Actually you could be working in a tree for a bird spotter for all we know and in which case, unless you regularly talk to trees no one here can really help you :stuck_out_tongue:.

On that note, if your report is indication of how you are interacting with people it doesn’t surprise me :wink:. LOL, seriously I want to help you with this, but could you help me by giving information.

If you want to keep it personal, of course you could always call me and I will do my best to ensure the mones are working right.

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Fantastic advice from everyone.

Ok calm down, go take a shower, relax and start again with a new slate.

As Steve mentioned use one product at a time for about a week or shorter if you find your sweet spot quickly.

Start with one spray then each day if you haven’t seen results go up a spray. Be more careful with the anone containing products and go slower with those.

These are estimates… You will have to do the testing to find whats right for you though.

CTTM you may need anywhere from 1 to 5 sprays

AMMO 1 to 3

TUTH 1 to 3 sprays

IFM 1 to 4 sprays

Ishine 1 to 5 sprays

Try them in different environments.

TUTH is not good at work. Its for a sexually charged environment. People will not react to sexual cues in certain places. Doesn’t mean they are not getting the signal and I will talk about that below. Its one of the things that separates us from animals.

CTTM I just think your not using enough.

Ishine again not enough and if your wearing it in a environment where everyone is upbeat and happy it can be harder to pick up on. Try in around someone you know is a cranky bitch if you clearly want to see it work .

AMMO I would suggest trying some different environments and application points. I never liked wrists myself. Whens the last time a girl buried her face in your wrist ?

IFM can be really tough to see sometimes. It puts women at ease makes them comfortable. That emotion is hard to pick up on. Keep working with this one in different situations.

Now whats the weather like there ? Cold or Hot Are you bundled up ? Hair applications unless you have a hat on are good in colder climates unless the mones is stinky. Its hard to cover stinky mones in the hair.

We were gonna talk about something else…Hmm what was it ?

Ahh yes sexual cues… Many times when you wear a mone product in a environment that is not suitable for certain behavior you get a delayed reaction.

For instance when I have worn copulins to work, some of the more outgoing guys hit. Some dont seem to notice, or so I thought until one day when I was in a social situations with these people. Suddenly these same men are paying alot of attention and a few have said things like “Jesus Christ you smell so hot you drive me insane at work” Or my favorite creepy hit. A guy I work with all the time who never hits asked me to pick up some pink sugar perfume and lotion for his wife ( I wear pink Sugar alot) anywhoooo I did and I asked him how they liked it. They loved it and he told me the best part is she puts the lotion on before bed and he thinks about me all night while he is ummm getting busy.

I have worn IO and IH and had no one talk to me and later in the day someone will say to me " I have been dieing to sit down and talk to you" Then proceed to talk my ear off.

I have worn Ishine around people who always seem happy and upbeat and figured it wasn’t effecting them only to have them say later to me. “Your so great, I always feel good when your around”

Just because you don’t see the hit right away doesn’t mean they are not being signaled. Humans are good at masking emotions. This is why trying things out in different environments can be very eye opening.

Sometimes its the accumulation of hits that show you what a product is doing. The big hits come but not all the time.

Read the body language link in my signature below for tips on how to read people to. This helps for when you are not in a open environment and people may be masking.

You will get it, some times it takes a little work but its worth the effort.

Tisha

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I don’t want to contradict other people’s advice above but I want to point out that even with social pheromones, if I exceed a certain dosage I notice either diminshing returns or just plain nothing or even outright hostility sometimes.

For example with CTTM, more than 2 sprays and people will get up and leave my vicinity; with IO 2X, some women will react very negatively to it even at 1 spray, IH 4x, 1 to 4 sprays mostly no response, attempts to chat will be deflected, people will become unusually quiet and then leave. IShine at more than 2 sprays of 1x often gives no responses. This is not representative of all my tests but these responses do occur.

Now for what works for me…
CTTM at 1 spray has proved wonderful for me. IO2x 1 spray applied in armpits had proved great for me (most people don’t use it this way). IShine 1x at 1-2 sprays is also great. IH, may be, 1 spray in a mix combined with other products might be okay. Higher doses might be too quieting and serious and may actually be closing people off.

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You gotten great advice so I’ll just touch on a couple “fill-in” points. In my experinence, the best test enviroments are small enclosed spaces such as an automobile or private office. To generate a sustained reaction you need to engage your test subject for at least several minutes of close conversation. The same social laws are in effect so don’t neglect to smile and be warm and witty in your conversation. The “hit” will be an enhancement of your attributes: you’ll seem a little bigger than life and thus generate a more positive reaction.

For me mones have afforded an edge to my interactions. Basically nothing has changed–I’m still me and people still have their hangups–but everything involving social interaction is a little easier and smoother. Realize humans, unlike insects and lower mammals, use their brain to “filter” biological urges. If she senses social or status mones, but sees a dull wallflower, her brain says “false alarm, stand down.” To work best, your words and actions must reinforce the message of your mone signature. Also, like Tisha wrote, we often hide our responses until we feel safe or appropriate. So give it some time and try even harder.

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nbully brings up a good point here: What kicks for me, may not kick for you. It’s a function of your natural pheromone signature, as it exists before you add anything. That’s another factor to consider, and why it is so important to spend time getting to know each pheromone by itself before you do anything complex.

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While more is not always better there is generally a range that people fall in with dosage which is why we told him to test in the fashion we did. He should test that range to be sure before he finds his sweet spot. What he needs is to see a reaction so he gains confidence that the products work.
Many new members are afraid to use more because of reports of adverse effects. Actually very few people get adverse effects from moderate amounts of socials. I can use my dosage for Ishine which is 3 sprays or use 6 and still have the same effect except I wasted a lot of TAA and am overscented. But no adverse effects from anyone, We are all different, he is going to have to test in both ranges to find his sweet spot.

Tisha

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It always amazes me just how willing the community members here are willing to help. What a great place, not because I work here, but the incredible members sharing knowledge. Makes me feel proud to work with a company like Androtics

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A big big thank you to all of you. I truly appreciate all of the effort you guys put in. Thank you thank you thank you. Alright back to my testing. My testing grounds have been school and work. When I say nothing I actually mean that Pheros made no difference to me at all. The women reacted exactly as they would have if I wouldn’t wear any pheros at all. That’s exactly what I mean by nothing. I haven’t got any compliments on how the smell is. On day 5 of my testing when I went over to school I actually sat next to girl in my Philosophy class and I saw absolutely no reaction at all. No blushing or playing with hair or any IOI’s. Also could somebody be a little specific where to apply my pheros

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On pulse points to allow the pheromones to diffuse properly. Not on clothes, as I personally don’t think that’s a good way to allow diffusion. On the neck, on sides of the neck, behind the elbows, back of neck, chest, and on you hair except for products with -none in them. Sometimes even behind your knees.

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Sheesh, I’ve never seen blushing or hair diddling either after leaving HS! College women tend to be a little more worldly and sophisticated in their IOIs. Also, she will only display IOIs if she’s interested in you. The mones will not create attraction that never existed. What they do is help draw existing attraction out into the open. If she’s into you, she’ll start to show it sooner and with little encouragement. If she’s not into you, no amount of momes will change that or override freewill.

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Yes, very true. Even if you’re a “hot” guy with pheromones she will not be attracted to you if she’s not attracted to you to begin with. A girl has to find your regular self attractive to begin with to notice the amplifying effects of pheromones.

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That is not how I understood it to be honest Gegogi

I always understood it that pheros can help create that subconscious attraction that was never there, but it was still up to you to make it happen

Also it is used to bring out attraction even more, but if you are saying it will never help someone who was never attracted to someone at all, then IMO you really do not need pheros at all. At that point just get rid of pheros and work on your pick up skills becuase that is all I had before pheros and it worked

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you have something here, Denec.

i disagree that if someone is not interested in you initially that pheros will not help.

being in hospitality a good part of my life, i have seen people who didnt get along at one point, become partners later on.

i have personally had zero attraction for someone that later became my hottest relationship.

i think there may be a gray area here where alot of people may be on the fence and pheros could bring them to the forefront and create attraction through the excitement of it alone .

anyone else on this subject?