Mixes for 3 different type dates?

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So, I’d like to ask for some recommendations for phero mixes to suit specific types of girls I’m going to meet on first dates.

Some background:

I’m a 34yo male, who broke up with gf a few months ago due to “lack of feeling deep enough for her” and recently enlisted on an online dating site to meet some new people. I’m slim built and youthful. Usually people estimate me to be 5-10 years younger than I actually am. I can be a bit shy to “let people close”, but I have no problem talking with stangers.

This is the first time I’ve registered on such a service and it turns out I’m pretty damn good at it if I may say so myself!

I’m quite a smooth writer and so far I’ve gotten the interest of every single woman I’ve written to. I guess it’s because I write in length instead of short messages most men write and I like to play with words. It’s not only me writing to them though, as my profile has sparked the interest in many, resulting in them contacting me first. …And all this without any photos of myself. :slight_smile:

I know it can get ugly (Anyone good with online dating?), but it’s an experience anyway and hey, I got nothing to lose, only to gain!
Besides I’m smart enough not to waste my time on women who have been registered members for years, looking for serious relationship and apparently without success…

Anyway, I have three first dates arranged in the next 2 weeks with women of different personality types & backgrounds and I’ve been thinking of some mixes to wear on the dates based on what I know of them.
I have a few ideas of my own, but I’d like to know what you would wear or recommend for date(s) with each of the girls!

Keep in mind all of this info is from the women themselves, unless I specifically say “I have a feeling” or something like that. So far I have no reason to believe anything else, but of course there’s always the possibility they’re not being entirely honest about everything…
All the women are caucasian (scandinavian) and skinny/normal body.

The first one in line is a 35yo woman (redhead, a natural blonde I guess). I initiated the conversation. There wasn’t much info on her profile and from my part it was just a shot in the dark based on an interesting nickname.
Our date is going to be a visit to a casino for a bit of gambling and drinks. (my suggestion)
She has a lot of experience with online dating from way back, but she didn’t find anyone she’d be really interested in. Now after a few years she’s back in the game and says I feel like someone who could finally be the one and in a way she feels like I’m her last shot before giving up on online dating.
She’s hard working and down to earth kind of woman who jogs and plays a sport, but when she relaxes she likes to get completely lazy.
She’s been really interested in me from the beginning and very flirty, although she says if we end up in bed on one of the few first dates, that date would be the last date for us.
Of the three she’s the one I’ve exchanged the most messages with and still feel no real connection and kind of feel I know nothing deep about her. She seems nice and willing to please her man, but the lack of “spark” from her messages is worrying. Could be she’s not good in expressing herself in writing or just plain ordinary. I guess I’ll find out…
Now - before the date - I feel my interest in her is frankly not so much on a long term relationship with her, but to find out what’s behind all that sexy flirt.

The second one is a 29yo woman (brunette). She initiated the conversation, intrigued by my profile.
Our date is going to be for a beer or a few in a “neutral zone pub.” (her suggestion)
She has some (bad) experience of online dating, including an awkward date when she discovered the hard way some mentally retarded people can write pretty well.
Of the three she’s the one I’ve exchanged the least messages with. She has been anxious to meet me in person instead of messaging, I figure it’s because of her past experience(s) and wanting to find out what I’m like in person as soon as possible.
She is an artist, and I figure it’s because she can afford it. From her I get a feeling of “the rich bitch.” She is well read, intelligent, extremely confident and well aware of her worth. While she seems tough, I feel she has her weak spots. I just have to find them.
She’s been shit testing me right from her first message she sent to me. I think I’ve cleared the tests pretty well, throwing them right back at her and perhaps sparking more interest.
While I feel she might just be too stuck up for me and too “artisty”, I’ve always been hot for intelligence and want to find out more about her and see if we could get along, but I also fear she’s out of my league.
Also, my dick would like to get to know what kind of bitch she really is. :wink:

The third one is a 30yo woman (blonde). I initiated the conversation because she seemed genuinely like someone I might like to be in a relationship with.
Our date is going to be a visit to a tropical garden (her suggestion). She has quit drinking, so no help for me from the king alcohol loosening her up…
She is new to online dating. She has a kind of rough history including some substance abuse and abusive boyfriends. I reckon she’s the nice girl who wanted to save everyone but got herself broken in the process. I’ve dated someone just like her previously and know the type very well.
She has been single for over 4 years now after the poor relationships, just wanting to be alone and trying to “find herself.” (This is where and why my previous relationship with a woman like her ended.)
Now she decided to “see if she is ready for another relationship or not and if there are any nice guys left in the world.”
She is a student of social work, struggling to get by and currently looking for work. She’s pretty witty, has a good sense of humor and likes to read a lot.
While she has been quite open and telling all kinds of things of herself to me, in addition I think can read very well from in between the lines based on my previous experience with a woman just like her. I know she’s the kind of recovering girl I can really get my fingers burnt with, but I think I can read the signs better than with the previous one so I’m not afraid.
Of the three she’s definitely the one I’d really like to learn more of and possibly get into a long term relationship with if she turns out to be the person I figure she is.

…So, what do you guys think I should wear for each of the first dates and the dates following the firsts, if things get that far?

Also, tips in general regarding (first) dates would be appreciated!
TBH, these are going to be the first first dates I’ve ever gone to! All my previous relationships have been with women whom I’ve already met before the relationship: friends, fellow students and workers. (Bar flings don’t count as dates. :slight_smile:)

My weaponry is this:
Consumer line: A314 (oil rev. 32 & A spray), Ammo (Basic, Summer & WE), IG, IH, IJ, IO, IS, TUTH

Putatives:
p74, p75, p83, p95, p96, p102, p130, TAC

MXs:
mx297, mx353, mx403, mx463, mx464, mx465

Other:
A1

-ATool

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I assume it did not work out with the girl you spoke of last year? :confused:

I have been experimenting with a mix of my own, together with A314. Have gotten good results thus far.

It is basically A314 and:

  1. 1/5 of TUTH
  2. 1/5 of A-1 or 2…3/5 IH+P74
  3. 2,5-5mcg P75
  4. 25mcg+ P83
  5. 12,5mcg P96 should do.

You might wonder, what the heck are you doing, Styr? A314 and dating? Would not Ammo, or the likes be more efficient? Well, given you age and the age of the girls, A314 becomes more viable. Also, it has the potential to create fallout. Now is there an easier way to get to a second date? :slight_smile:

Have gotten DIHL reaction almost every time now when I think of it. Women might look at you, smile a you, but seldom say anything to you unless you approach them. Once you do, the conversation tends to be flirty and intelligent. And… well… the word “dick” has come up more than once. :stuck_out_tongue:

It comes off as a tushtworthy male who can provide and protect. At the same time intelligent and funny. Albeit not funny enough to be used at big parties around people you do not know. At least it did not work for me. Then again I suck at approaching people at big parties. My day game is much better. :stuck_out_tongue: So that might be the reason.

Do take my recommendation with a grain of salt. I do not want to be the guy responsible for a ruined evening - even less three ruined evenings - because of a combination of mones that did not work. :stuck_out_tongue:

Also, I find that women are illogical, thus I did not bother even to try analyze the different types. :stuck_out_tongue:

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FIRST DATES: Fun! A314 and IS

SECOND DATES: Fun and sexual! A314, IS, and whatever -none that has been working for you, or maybe, P75.

My two cents and not a penny more! :wink:

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Ah, yes. Forgot all about the IS. :slight_smile: IS is a must. :smiley:

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First dates

1x A314 spray. 15 mcg P74. 2.5 mcgs P75. P96 25 mcgs or more, 2-3x IH. 5+ mcgs P102.
Some might say add 20-30 mcgs A1, but I’ve not tested it, so I can’t speak to that.
You might try 0.5-2 mcgs of TAK as an A1 replacement, but I haven’t tested personally and you don’t have it stocked.
I’d say swap out the P102 for like 2.5 - 5 mcg TAF, but I didn’t see it in your arsenal eitehr. P102 is an imperfect replacement.

You could swap the A314 spray for 2x IG and 1/2 spray TUTH… you might dilute TUTH to even less than 1/2.

Seconds dates, escalate the TUTH to 1 spray, then progressively more.

If it’s just you and her with no other guys around, you could drop the P75, and go higher on the P74 on the front end.

I would not use P83 until later-stages when she’s on your couch, and if you do maybe dilute it w/ unscented perfumer’s alcohol and do multiple sprays, seems to work better that way. P83 goes well with P75 and TUTH as a combo.

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High doses of P74, i.e 15mcg and more, combined with IH and A-1 smells like Instant Friendzone. :stuck_out_tongue:

I’d say that 2sprays/drops of A314 is fine. However, you might want to date the girls you feel have the least potential first, so you could see the general effectiveness of the mix - whatever it is you decide to use. That way you are more prepared when meeting the girl you like the most.

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Could be… I figure there is a hint of eNone in 1 A314 spray and that would be enough to send a clear signal but not scare any girls off, just keep the friendly vibe - particularly the younger ones - we have a woman still in her late 20’s, a blonde, and a redhead/blonde. Being new dates their tollerances are undetermined. 3 dates is not a big pool to work with. The idea is to ratchet up the eNone sexual tension carefully, yet surely. I think with higher eNone up front, you need to work with a larger pool of women and be ready loose a large percentage.

I’ve been playing around w/ P74 at home lately for the second time, and to me 15 mcgs still feels subtly sexy w/ 1/2 a spray TUTH. To me it feels, not in your face sexy, but it’s there and in a friendly way. I have not used the A314 spray personally, but I hear it has some attraction pull. I do find 2x IG has a very “safe/gentle” attraction angle.

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Use P51Mustang’s Instant Boyfriend Mix. It works.

A314 - x2
TUTH - x2
P96 - 30mcg
P83 - 30mcg
P74 - 15mcg

You can play a bit with the putative ratio’s or use IH instead of P96 if you want more serious conversations. I’ve been playing with this mix with almost the same ratio’s, but half the dosages (ok, a bit more P96 for that extra bit of romance). You can also add IShine for an extra feel good kick. After 3 exposures I bedded my fallout girl. Good luck.

Add more TUTH and P83 when you’re alone together near the bedroom.

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Nice mix. I assume this is A314 A Spray? Since he was mixing it all up. This seems to solve some buffering issues when used with 2x TUTH, though we’re not exactly sure how.

He later suggests adding
2.5 - 5 mcgs TAF. which does extremely well with that level of P74
plus
Bnol (complains it’s too expensive), obviously it helps

there was P78 which he retired “too polar”, but people get great hits off that. it hits the horny button in the brain. He felt it wasn’t smooth enough w/ this. My notes are that this one needs P75 if mixing with nols like IH, which you probably will be. P78 acts like eNone, that’s how I’m reading it.

it might be fun to play with different ratios of P75, P78, and eNone (experimone) as a homebrew TUTH-type spray.

The P83 is to make ladies act on it, but TAL could do that too and also give you Alpha status vibe. 5 mcgs might be enough. There is no fallout from P83. TAL, not enough data on men’s use. One of the issues with A314 is ladies are too intimidated - TAL or P83 is trying of answer this dilemma. I should add that P102 also seems to fix that issue as well by making A314 more approachable. And P102 in some ways fills TAF’s shoes as a intensifier. There’s something there.

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Have you noted the age ranges of those touched by this mix, H?

Thanks!

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P102 and P103 I read were released at the same time, and have similarities - oral fixation, moving to hunger at higher doses. Plus a lingering effect. These behaviors are hooked up with the female mating process. So I have to think a comprehensive mix is going to need a bit of one or both of these, in order to hit that button. It’s a nagging thought of mine. Where they diverge is that the first has a focus / caffine feeling, but the latter is said to be kinda hypnotic. They have a positive effect on A314, making it approachable to women. What’s up with that.

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His signature says he doesn’t own the A spray. Two pages before the IBF formula he reported he was testing A314 rev 23 oil so that would be my guess. Think initially he just used his skin as a ‘pheromone canvas’ with this mix.

Also: I don’t know how he went on mixing later, but I suspect he got some help from SteveO :wink:

Don’t know enough about P78, will have to read up on it.

My fallout girl is 27, red-head, light skinned. Bossy manager type at work, cute hipster girl that enjoys art, music and such in her free time.

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ahh. And A314 was kind of a different beast at that point. More molecules in there, didn’t it? They simplified the formula - some things too expensive.

The current spray has more attraction pull than the oil, for some reason. I’m going to go ahead and assume the oil and spray have the same formula, and the A / B Suffix for the spray only refers to how much the formula has been diluted.

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Thanks for the recommendations guys!
The mixes you recommended were right in line with what I had in mind myself. Nice to know I can come up with good mixes right on my own. :wink:

So, I was on first of the dates yesterday night. I was wearing:

1 big drop A314 (jaw line)
1.5x TUTH (under shirt)
15 mcg p74 (neck)
2 mcg p75 (neck)
15 mcg p83 (neck)
~30 mcg p96 (neck)
4x IS (back of hands)

My date was late, so I spent almost an hour waiting at a bar by myself, just minding my own business and reading newspapers. The bar wasn’t very crowded, but I got IOIs from two women (which was a third of the female population at the bar) by just being there. Obviously there’s some good potential with this mix!

As for the date itself… Well, it was just the “dates from hell” -material from the link I posted in the first post of the topic. The woman was nothing special, but the date was very, very interesting. Not in a good way though…
She had warned me beforehand that she should not drink because that always leads to “unwanted events”. And man, that was an understatement of the year!

At first things were fine, we were getting along just fine and had a good time… After some time she was getting drunk and became quite annoying. After a few more drinks she really showed what she meant by unwanted events…
Some five hours into our date she was making out with me, and after that two different guys we had just met and going for the third! Now that’s what I didn’t expect to happen on a first date!
The guys were just as baffled about the situation as I was and asked me what the fuck was going on. I explained the situation and told them I really don’t care what happens from now on. Not that I had much interest in her in the first place anyway. It’s not that I was in a “beta situation” per se. If I had told the guys to fuck off, they would have done so. I just didn’t care.

So, I stayed for a few more hours out of pure interest in what would happen and ended up having a pretty good time with the guys instead of my “date”, laughing our asses off about the whole situation. Some of her friends joined us later on and I hit off pretty well with one of them, although wasn’t in the mood to take things further with her. I was on a date after all and I figured at least one of us could behave…

Well, after a while things smoothed out and as there was no further interesting going on, I decided to let my date know how I felt about the night. I leave it to your imagination what exactly I told her…
I left her crying, said my goodbyes to the rest of the group and headed home, laughing like a madman at the absurd night I just had had. :smiley:

And guess what, today she texted me, asking if we could forget all about last night and do another first date, sober this time!
But no apologies or anything like that, just forget and try again?
I’m still trying to figure out what I should respond, if anything…

Obviously, serious relationship is off the table on my part, if it even ever was on the table…
Go ahead and call me cheap bastard and a madman, but seeing what kind of slut she can be, I still might have “some other uses” for her so I wonder what should I do about it…

Well, at least I had an interesting night.
Nothing to lose, right? :roll_eyes:

-AT

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ALCOHOL brings out the REALNESS from us all! Too much, and you better take notes, 'cause the TRUE CHARACTER will appear with NO HOLES BARRED!

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That sounds like a little too much comfort and disinhibition to me! :open_mouth: :smiley:

A couple of suggestions:

TUTH - Get it out where it can breathe and diffuse. TUTH under the shirt is a thing for young guys around younger girls. All your prospects are of an age where you could reasonably expect them to go on a reasonably overt dose and you are also of an age where that is also viable. She needs to be able to pin her arousal directly to you and TUTH somewhere it can diffuse well will help that! I’ve often found women veering towards my TUTH points during sex/makeouts.

A314/P74 - good, A314/P96 good (esp with TUTH for both), A314/P74/P96 - maybe not so good - A314/P74’s close/friendly/sharing/trusting vibe and P96’s ability to make people feel so up-front about expressing arousal (physically and verbally) plus your muted TUTH and the alcohol/P83 disinhibition may have helped promote a “do anything/grab anyone state of mind” - If you do see her again, more directness on your part might help keep her attentions to you alone.

And why not see her again, drink or not - just so long as you keep your head screwed-on, take precautions and don’t look for anything more than uninhibited fun with her! :smiley:

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I’d put the TUTH right in the middle of your neck, and you could prob. go higher with it next time with this girl - maybe even way higher. I’m getting the impression she’s looking for the biggest Jerk. That’s what some girls want. I’d go way higher w/ P75 with this girl next time too, just to give her a stronger sense that she’s in YOUR space, and let the other guys know they’re in your space too.

I find that P83 says do whatever you want. She will most likely go with whatever guy she finds most attractive at the moment, which when she’s drunk might be whoever she’s looking at, not exactly what you were looking for - particularly with other guys around. You probably more of a Do What I Say kind of thing with this girl out in public. More A314 direction. Maybe some TAK added.

You already knew she does’t respect you before she even showed up - she was late! Her behavior on the date really moves the boundary posts for any future relationship, so any LTR w/ her is going to have to involve you kissing other girls in front of her on a regular basis. In fact, you’ll prob. need to ignore her and hit on other women any time other women are around - especially if she brings a friend, hit on the friend. Guess what she’d do if you brought a male friend? She’ll disrespect you. She’d ignore you and hit on that guy. Actually, that’s probably her mating strategy - play the guys against each other and see which ones get laid. Don’t think it’s a conscious decision, but some girls seem to work that way. It’s not something you’re supposed to point out to her, but just silently understand. Sounds like you called her a slut (I’m guessing), so I’m thinking now she going to give you Anti-Slut Defense, but not other guys, which is going to put you at a disadvantage in her strategy. Be non-judgmental and giver her competition, or don’t bother. Her respect for you is directly proportional to how much she thinks you’re getting laid - not necessarily by her. You might need a touch of Cops, TAL, etc.

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Thanks mobo, your expertise is always welcome! :slight_smile:

The reason for “hiding” the TUTH was to start low with it (as it was the first date with an unknown girl, err on the safe side) and increase the exposure on later dates. I also knew the date was going to be a long one and figured the steering mones would wane, giving TUTH more punch over the other mones. The shirt was just a t-shirt though, so the blockage of diffusion wasn’t too severe IMO.

You are right about the disinhibiton factor of the mone combo. I thought about it myself too and figured it might have played a part in what happened.

I replied her I’ll think about if I want to see her again after the “interesting” date we had. I actually think I’ll give it another try, but knowing her “true character” as M&M put it, I have not much respect for her and will sure treat her accordingly. Maybe even get her drunk again. :wink:

Today she sent me a message and actually apologized about the date and “ruining the evening for me”, convincing she’s actually a real nice girl…
Well, we’ll see about that! I’ll let her hang for a while, propose a date and that date is going to be with an IJ -based mix. :smiley:

Mix suggestions are again welcome!

-AT

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That’s the plan for the next date, except I’m thinking of IJ instead of TUTH. Also, the next date is going to be just me and her or at least no other guys around to distract.
As I know her now, the jerk strategy is probably the best way to go and all out with it regardless of the setting! :smiley:

The being late -thing wasn’t so much out of disrespect but out of necessity on her part. She informed me about the delay well before I left home, but I was bored & had nothing to do so I decided to take a head start and go read the newspapers while waiting.

I have very difficult time imagining any LTR with her, but I smell the possibility of “uninhibited fun” in the air as mobo put it… :smiley:

Nothing to lose should be my new motto I guess. :slight_smile:

-AT