Monesmadedoit need some advice

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MMDI,

You know I like you am sold on p75…

Ok we know its value in establishing social dominance amongst competing men.

But when I go into Swiss Chalet Kimberly although she likes IS AMMO IO p75 and maintains strong eye contact etc I don’t find I’m spiking her attraction to me enough to score the date.. I got a maybe not a yes 3 weeks ago.. Next week I am going in and going to ask her out again. This time I can’t afford a maybe. Or if I do get it I need to turn in into a yes by persuading her then and there or my chance is blown.. Two maybes = no.

So my question is since there is little male competition for me at swiss chalet, (it seems 90% of the staff is women there), and no guys are going to compete for her when I’m there (I choose to arrive when her shift starts.. I get a table in her area and its game on when I succeed)..

I need to know if my mix is really distracting from creating more attraction and horniness and high status than just using p75 and hoping other men are afraid or look up to men and don’t compete.. I’m not in a bar with her or on a date.

I do like p75 fixation on the eyes (seems targets maintain eye contact a lot and are least likely to be distracted) On the other hand it seems to make younger women afraid to express themselves (repressed?)

Would you recommend I go in with a different combo? Maybe one spiked more for attraction and social talk than something that scares men away?

What is better than IS (3 sprays), ammo (1 spray), p75 (2.5 mcg), and IO (2 sprays) that I normally use?

If I get seated in her section I want her to give me more chances to ask her out.. And I want her to communicate more with me without taking off.

She is younger and is hesistant though I sense attracted by my confidence.. I approach, I inititiate, i touch her, etc i stay out of the friendzone. But that my friend is causing a little bit of initimidation since after all I am a stranger and picking her up in a restaurant.

Any recommendations what I should do?

I feel my balls are cut off without p75.. Its great for self effects. But effects on women are making them intimidated by me.

She is also brown haired, portugese, and 23-25. Keep that all in mind..

I need to score the date and soon before she thinks I’m a wuss.. i need to build on momentum. I need to be able to be focused and relaxed enough to ask her out and deal with all her objections if she brings them up. I can’t afford to be lucid. On an actual date I have time to make things work.. But scoring it is different.

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First off, you don’t need to leave it to chance regarding being seated in her section. You can request being seated with her, which you should.

Is there any particular reason that you haven’t tried a314 yet? Sounds like it would be really helpful in this situation.

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Ok I’ll keep in mind requesting being seated in Kimberly’s section.

A314 has always backfired with younger girls.. they don’t like it period… Especially in humble establishments a donald trump (power hungry guy) showing up is not on a young beauty’s A list.

If i do use it I wonder what combinations it works best in for this particular target.

Some have suggested: A314 +ammo + IS + P74 with A314b at 1/2 spray for 20 - 30 year old and ammo at 1-2 sprays. I use minimal amount of p74 perhaps 2.5 mcg as more always makes men a nusance. I’m over 35.. Am I even on a 20 somethings radar with 1 spray ammo? There is no p75 in this mix.. Am I better of with a314 1/2 spray, Ammo 2 spays, IS 3 sprays, p74 2.5 mcg.

Comments? Also do you think upping a314 to 1 sprays a314b will attract 30 + crowd and not mid 20’s?

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Something tells me just 5 mcg P75 and maybe 10 or so of P102 would work. I’m not sure any -eNone or similar products would work in situations where time is not on your side. Very heavy alphanol might. Knowing what I do now about raw -eNone, P83 and P102, the MX353 concept has merit. But 102 and 75 can hit hard, quickly, at a long distance. Neither in reasonable amounts will scare anyone. It’s a head turner. You could also try adding a catchy fragrance so the spark of the mones’ effect is distinctively you. 102 gets people looking at you.

The other option involves pushing the red button. The one that says, “Don’t.” Mix 5 mcg 75 in 1 mL ethanol. Do the same with a few sprays IShine. Cover a few square feet of yourself with both. The first option works up to ten feet; the second up to five. The second works by drastically cutting effects duration by increasing surface area. Makes a good hair spray. This dilution technique will hit off just a little mones content. It just doesn’t last long (about an hour). Yes, I’ve used a Shine spray like this, because I wasn’t getting results with 3 sprays the usual way. Normally, pheros are designed to last. In any given spray of a product, you have so many millions of molecules. You can increase these millions by more sprays, or you can divide them over a greater area. You lose fragrance but gain area. Surprisingly, it actually does work with AMMO. My guess is it would not work in a saturated (high dewpoint) or no airflow atmosphere–usually not a problem indoors. Dew and fog occur in still, saturated air but diffuse (evaporate) in a slight breeze and unsaturated air. The dilution exploits this effect. Which is why you don’t water your lawn on a summer afternoon. You do it at 4 am.

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P102 has always caused severe introversion in me to the point where i sense my own anxiety.. I stopped using it months ago for this very reason.

Have you experimented with a314 as noted above?

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I’ve always avoided Akuto due to fragrance sensitivity. Neroli seems to be what I can handle, vs other things not so much. If you can get some vodka and spare a few squirts of mones into a small bottle, you can try the dilution concept on some targets elsewhere. You’ll use little mones, and vodka is cheap. You probably should not spray any diluted NONE product on your hair, but I’ve done dilute AMMO and 75 on the arms/neck and Shine on skin and hair. I used about 1.5 mL but not much actual mones. Didn’t smell strong at all.

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Could you tell me more about what you know of p102?

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My impression is that it causes targets to focus visually upon the wearer at uses of about 10-20 mcg. It seems to work at range of up to 10 ft. It seemed to last just a few hours for me. The most common result seemed to be glances at the user. To me, IO, IH, P103, P102, P74 and P83 are like members of the same family. P130 and IShine are sisters living in different houses, P75 and -eNone are cousins in different houses (but androsterone probably lives with 75), and TAC is only vaguely to do with any of them–but definitely not a male creature.

Going back to OP, you’ve got to find her tolerance before asking her anything. You’ll need to take the P75 up. Or else you need stuff with punch. In your specific situation, I’d use as much IO as you can stand and 5-10 micros of 75. The latter is safer. Myself, I’d just use the 10 of 75 naked. I’d want to see her tolerance for the dominance and see if she’s spooked. When you have to cover long distances and have so little time, you have to go heavy with what you have. You have to put millions of molecules into the air that have a long range. The I-O and 75 are the two that could maybe do it, but I think she might want a very macho sig. 75 with no buffer is more serious and less playful, especially over 5 mcg – but it has punch that everyone notices, whether they like it or not. It’s not supposed to be pretty, it’s supposed to be a f**ing blitzkrieg, and that it is…if your woman can handle that. Is this one that wants cuddles or hair pulling?

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She’s more sweet and works for a humble restaurant making piddly money.. Works 4 jobs in summer so she can afford university.. I think she’s more a combination of cuddles and hair pulling (50/50).

Hey once I tried p75 at 7.5 mcg and couldn’t handle it.. My brain was fried, I was tense and angry. IO wasn’t good enough to buffer.

I have chronic general anxiety disorder. On medications daily for 13 years for it. Too much 75, too much caffeine, too much intense physical exercise all makes it worse and then I can’t think at all. And if I can’t think nothing is going to happen but hell breaking loose.

I have no time to experiment with extremes just tried and true mixes 75 or not.

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Sorry to butt in but I used p102 a year ago and can tell you its more introverted and focused and your ability to hear sound is enhanced.

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The safest and truest thing you’ve got would be the 5 of 75 and as many sprays IO as you can handle. 75 can hit in seconds by itself. In fact, I’d use it by itself. The reason is that the impact is clear and strong. If you don’t want it unbuffered, add the IO. Alphanol has been heavily researched. It is well favored for young women. The purpose for many sprays is the Champagne Effect. You haven’t enough time for the NONE to do much good. In the context of MX203, there’s little NONE but whopping alphanol. Treat 75 as if it’s eRone. eRone has 8 metabolites including organic salts (sulphates). There’s a stronger argument for it being a eRone analogue than an NONE one. Note that the intoxicant rather than chatty aspects of alphanol were behind Spaceland, while the presumed fertility signaling theories of alphanol underlie the academic work on the latter and it’s value with fertile, young and sexually inexperienced females.

No less than the work of the estimable JV Kohl argues for eRone and alphanol as the signature male signals. Other science supports this.

Your sending a sexual signal to a girl several years your junior whom you describe as somewhat timid and as one you really don’t know well outside work. My advice of leaving off the NONE is the one with the least downside risk. 75 sends the Alpha provider vibe–the strongest card in your deck.

I found few results for self effects at P102 alone. On the second test, I found some introspection, focus on bystanders and no sensory enhancement. 2 hours after applying my signature mix of 75, TAC and pure -eNone, the hits seemed dull. I threw on 20 mcg of P102, resulting in far more of a spotlight effect upon me. If I were a mones company finding TAF in limited supply (not sold to every user), 102 would make a real good second best. It’s value would be less that the wearer focus inward but that the wearer’s use hit the target and the target focus on the wearer. If you were selling MX353, why would you want to make a high-impact pherobomb (whose purpose was heavy hit on targets) with 79, 83, TAF and 102? I’d want 4 items with the same effects spectrum. Then, I double down and go IJ with the NONE and add 10 mcg of 75. Heads would spin like the Exorcist. That’s what I’d do. Or go 30 micros 75 blitz. The dead wake. The strong men tremble…and the horny cougars say meow.

I’d like to try TAF one day, but I know it’s rare and not a priority for me. Unwise use leads to it not being there for the purposes it’s needed. 353 and 203 are gone and aren’t coming back (as with P93, 96 and 86). However, ignoring the test data for the other useful components and ratios is a huge mistake. Alphanol is still around, and the theory behind why mixologists used the ratio in 203 is not dead or useless, because young girls dig nols.

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Ahh 5.0 75 and 8 sprays IO.. Now that I have already used when I picked up the bartender chick whose a solid 12/10.

What works on the goose doesn’t always work onthe gander. Unfortunately, when I tried this same combo on a different girl whose timid she didn’t even look in my direction and this went on for 3 attempts in different weeks. Soon as I added back the ammo in she’d look.

Now i don’t know how Kimberly will react to just p75 and IO. She may maynot like it and my chances to ask for the date are dwiddling by the week.

Today I went to a party with a portugese lady (40+) I went in with 2.5 mcg p75, 2 ammo world, 3 IS, 2 IO and the first hour was hell.. i was disoriented only after applying the combo.. Felt tired sleepy and my allergies were bothering me probably from the current weather and also the ammo world smell.

3 hrs later after I took a nap at the party I walked in downstairs and BANG the portugese women who hasn’t talked deeply with me for years STARTED all kinds of conversations with me on deep topics about her business and was looking up to me.. Other males in the room were not saying anything including her boyfriend.. My own voice was powerful and my confidence soaring.

I can only conclude that p75 takes 2-3 hrs to kick in.. People say it can be worn without this window but in my experience it can’t. least not for me for one reason or another.

Also other guys at the table had left and gone upstairs when I was talking.. It seems i cleared the room. All was left was a 11 year old who kept her mouth shut while she listened to me (who usually is a brat), her mother (who kept quiet who usually talks and interjects), and this portugese (did I remind you of that.. yes portugese just like my target but older) lady who talked to me the whole time and sought me out on a pedestal.

I used 2 ammo with her.. Its hard to say if i’d get he same result out of 2 ammo from kimberly as she’s mid twenties.

Still 2.5 mcg p75 and 5.0 ammo is 7.5 mcg none – it can be tolerated especially with buffers.

IH was left out.

All in all what I learned today was if the portugese lady was attractive younger and not family I would of tested the product further to see her response.. Still i was shocked by what happened… in 2 years she doesn’t seek my advice at all. And today she did.. It was the 75 man, and the ammo.. Sure of it!

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My general guidelines, if you’re using 5 of 75, would be that, 1 spray AMMO and 4 of IO. The basic combo of 75 and IO is fun, I just use too much I-O for daily use. 75 always burns in four hours in my mix. I use a lot, because I always have to top up. It’s the effects of the electrical charges on these molecules. In this thread, M Harris is talking about how physicists (not just chemists) formulate fixative and diffusive molecule mixes. Now, the few people reading this who do mones professionally probably get at what I mean. I just don’t have the dual PhD’s required to fully understand it, but I respect people who do. You make the 75 burn faster with certain mix molecules. Years ago, Jasmin described 75 vs P79 and Van Der Waals forces. You can look at a 3-D software model of the charge shape of mones. It’s the charges that affect diffusion in mixes and stickiness of the molecule to skin, along with myriad other factors. Then there’s fluid mechanics as far as diffusion in the fluid atmosphere of mixed gasses in a room. Another PhD. One day, a clever dude will hack an e-cigarette and make a targeted mones diffuser…and make a million. Any engineers in the house?

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Do you remember my post from about a week back on the forum.. I stated I used 5.0 - 7.5 mcg p75 4 IO and 1 ammo and I got irritable, looked angry and felt like no one wanted to look at me at the mall.

I think i can tolerate 5.0 p75 MAX. I just can’t do more.. this is my upper limit regardless of what my targets can take. I find 4 IO may may not buffer this much p75 especially with the ammo thrown in.

Tell me something, lately I am becoming like a bodybuilder.. I workout 2x day 7 days a week. Every morning I do THR cardio in fat burning zone for 25 min. Three times a week at night I lift weights. Split up the whole body into 3 parts and break it into 3 days of work. And the remaining nights I do another 25 min of cardio in THR zone. Weekends is pure cardio. After a heavy leg strength training night on Fri, I then leave Sat and Sun for two 25 min sessions a day of low intensity cardio to burn fat and recover from the weeks assualt.

Since I see Kimberly on Sundays I feel my none levels are fairly low.. I mean all that cardio on the weekend, no weights then, and perhaps this is effecting the type of mones I can use.

Before I was not working out on mone days.. now I do cardio on weekends when I wear mones.

Tell me something if cardio is the main exercise on weekends wouldn’t that enable me to use more none products? Especially since I’m over 35? Or do you think it has no bearing?

Working out this way is hard on the mind.. I find I haven’t had a day off in 3 weeks so far.. I feel great but then again I take supplements, sleep a lot and don’t lead a wild life like an 18 year old.

Do you find mone usuage varies with the days you workout ? Do you find p75 and ammo usage changes depending on whether you do weights, aerobics, or no training? if so how?

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P75 has a marked increase in androgens and -eNone output, in my opinion. Body Mass Index / body fat may be a driver for you. The endrocrine system uses a complex feedback process to keep everything normal, like a gyroscope. Anabolic activity, catabolism, gender, possible estrogens in the diet, etc could all affect this. Since testosterone is the anabolic chemical that increases muscle bulk with exercise (decreases with age–women are less bulky) and because mones are the end stage of steroid metabolism, I think they all interact. The problem is that science can’t understand how 75 gets into the brain. Although, I’ve seen JV Kohl talk a lot about the LH hormone and against the VNO.

But doctors, because they can’t prove a VNO, say P75 is placebo. Bet I could give out samples that would change their mind. I know what 50 mcgs of the stuff will do. It’s not placebo. I know what my own libido and None output is. P75 does something. I’d love to see a UV light reagent test for skin mones (like using UV light or luminol in hotel rooms), I just don’t have the training to make one. There’s no test for quantitative proof of mones output, but your workouts and the 75 are probably affecting your natural steroids. That’s what I think. It could be to do with DHEA metabolism. I just don’t know.

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Great info.. thank you for the insight. Seems this study requires a PHD of sorts at advanced levels :slight_smile: