Mx297 good enough to be Ammo 2.0?

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The chemical world has changed (I’ll update you more on that shortly) and so has the economy and other costs of doing business. We may need to fast forward a few projects faster than we may have liked, I’m order to survive at all since the actual supply chain we use is in danger of collapse.

Any objections to MX297 or a close variation becoming Ammo 2.0?

(remember ammo 2.0 will be a google and affiliate advertised version of Ammo, 1.x will still remain here)

I know we have some better stuff here for niche users, how does it compare to other products on the market that are currently advertised in Google? (not ours)

Do you feel that’s it’s a class leading mix that would truly and honestly serve people more than most products (again, compared to what’s heavily advertised not our own super ninja stuff)?

Does everyone pretty much agree that it’s work safe and work compatible? Any negatives at work?

Family and friend safe and supportive? Any negatives here?

Would most people agree with that it provides a “Friends” (tv show) character like effect? The guy who most people like being around, who also happens to be sexy and fun enough to have his pick of girls?

That’s pretty much what were shootin’ for and MX297 seems to fulfill these criteria (feedback wise), more than most others I’ve seen. (oh, and its low androstenone, which is important)

Other suggestions welcome, of course, be it variations of MX297 or entirely different mixes that fulfill these criteria. (friendly, sexy, fun, safe, market leading)

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Quick question does that mean that Mx297 is going to be available to the general public via google? Or is the Ammo 2.0 just going to be a sort of similar product to 297? As far as it goes I have not had any negative results with 297. I just hope that not everyone in the world finds out about 297. It is probably my favorite standalone product.

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I dare not say what can be what, but I can say,

“IF MX297 is put in AMMO’s 2.0 spot in 30 ml … “”“I””" will be buying it on the REGULAR!"

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I would love a 30 ml bottle of 297 I just don’t want everyone and their brother to know about it. Then it would not be my secret weapon anymore.

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Right, not the biggest commercial launch (same thing as products like Pherlure, minus the black hat), but big for us since we’ve yet to truly market anything in any conventional way. We always put R&D before marketing, figuring we’d someday actually market a product “the real way” when it was good enough.

We’re still not satisfied with the state of pheromone or scent tech (which is why I can’t see ever shutting down or drastically changing pherotalk and Androtics, as long as we can fund it and shoo off stress inducing crazies), but a soft launched product that appears directly on sites like Google, as well as affiliate sites a can hopefully bring in enough money for us to survive long enough to reach the next steps.

It might not seem like a big deal to the Internet marketing crowd, but it’s a huge deal to us. Androtics has been in incubation mode for years and has yet to really turn a profit. Although mostly self funding up to this point (with bank loans, credit and small investments from outsiders), we’re now in massive need of additional funding to help fix our chemist’s supply chain. If we were to raises prices here to do that, we might see mutiny. Investors come with strings that would likely completely change this project and make it more like a conventional company. Best to do a soft commercial release elsewhere and self fund as much as possible.

So its a small but possibly very important step.

Anything much bigger than a Google and affiliate launch, we expect to be more of a world changing mix (good for all). Actually, from what I’ve read, MX297 might not be opposed to that criteria.

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Jasmin, I have a lot of experience with this mx, and my opinion is that mx297 isn’t exactly the “average Joe’s” product. You have a great point in that it isn’t offensive and it is very appropriate for different situations. For a smaller commercial launch, it actually could be a good choice. Here’s what I think of it

1.) I have found it works a lot better when used in conjunction with other products and not as much as a stand-alone.

2.)The results it produces are very smooth and not for those who aren’t observant.

3.) I have no idea if there is any truth other than my experiences to this, but I really feel like I get drunk much more easily when I wear this.

5.) It is the ideal “niche” product here in my opinion.

6.) Causes a great popularity vibe.

I say this respectfully, as these are just my opinions. I actually think the best product you could go with, would be an ammo with lower -none and heavy TAA.

Edit: I just read your message and see that it isn’t for a full commercial launch, so I’m reformulating my opinions.

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If it would help boost sales and make AD better go for it. I mean pherlure has ben out for awhile and I have yet to meet anyone I know that uses pheromones( or admits to using them) besides my wing man who I introduced to AD.So in all reality it would not be like everyone is using it and make it ineffective. Personally I have best results when I combine 297 with other products and a cover scent. Jasmine was that orjects supposed to be projects??

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Thanks for your feedback. 6 is perfect, very on code. Thats what everyone needs. To handle 2 we can add to the formula (but we don’t have a lot of time, so tested suggestions are most welcome), or include a one time PheroBomb (different formula, we cant afford mx292 right now) to provide instant evidence. “the wow”

More criteria:

  1. It has to be wearable almost every day, and something they’ll love and re order. While it should be noticeable to the untrained eye, any “wows” have to be worth it and sustainable. We can’t afford one time sales. We need an income stream, and first time sales online cost more than the cost of most products. Products must be lovable and integrate well into daily life.

  2. It shouldn’t harm the wearer, the target or those in the vicinity of the mix. Fallout should be positive/uplifting only. Hoot hoot, don’t pollute.

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MX297 is one of the best products i ever used and i had absolutely amazing exeriences with it.

In my opionion its work place safe.

In my eyes would it be unique under the commercial products like the ones you mentioned and wich are in my eyes not compareable to MX297.

The question is if the average Joe can profite from a product that highly depends on your behaviour, i mean body language and social skills.
This would need more blind testing.

Pago

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Jasmin,
I’ve found that adding Beta-nol to mx297 makes the reactions much more noticeable. That could take care of that without you having to offer another product.

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Jas

I believe it’s very work safe for the MX297 mix.

Do you have enough time to wait till the test results come back from MX390?

I love Akuto, but again because of this community and going at it from what we know, would it work the best?

Are you going to launch it in multiple scents?

MX297 as for hits would probably be the “proof” that that specific product works.

It’s probably very viable as for more unexperienced users to get reactions from MX297, it’s almost that easy.

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I agree with you, but something more along the lines of CTTM ratio would generate more “hits” because of the higher alpha nol ratio in it.

Remember this wouldn’t necessarily be for us but for the general public who might not do the research as much as the forum members here do.

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The thought of MX297 being released into public makes me weep inside LMAO.

It’s amazing stand-alone and I rarely use anything else with it. Tomorrow though, I will try it with IH because of that beta-nol comment and post.

I like the thought of mx297 being available in 30 ml but the possibility of an influx of users is a bit unnerving. I remember being at a party where I smelt game coming off someone so strongly I was like “NO way” “now how can I start a convo about pheros without coming off as retarded”.

Anyways, if androtics needs to release a product for cash flow, Mx297 would be the one to release. I guess my only concern (or hope) is that you guys regulate pherotalk joiners???

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I think MX297 is the best and most consistent allround product available, it delivers “proof” that pheromones work in a lot of situations - so i think you should commercialize it.

But i see it more as respect/friendliness than an attraction product so am not sure it fits the expectations of Average Joe

Sure there is touching and interest from the ladies but i feel more often than not it is some sort of just friendly attention instead of attraction.

On the other side: While it is not groundbreaking attractionwise i think it is better than the original Ammo for commercial purposes (because one benefits in many areas).

Maybe if you market it more as “Wanna be the popular guy? This stuff makes you life of the party, brings you attention at work - and hey - the ladys notice you, too” it should fit the expectations.

I think as commercial Ammo 2.0 it lacks a bit in the initial attraction eg. “breaking the ice” department…

I also think that as far as attraction goes MX297 works because of social proof - and that could be a bit of a problem regarding Average Joe
(because you have to work it to generate attraction BY being “the popular guy” - what i wouldn’t expect from Average Joe)

But nevertheless i think it is the best product available at this time regarding your intention to get a lot of repeat customers…

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as for MX297 being Ammo 2.0, having it released in the original ammo and GAME ammo would be AWESOME. I really hate ff21

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IMO I’ve always found mx297 effect closer to IG than to Ammo. Mx301 gives a more similar effect to Ammo on the attraction side.
Mx301 was better to me than many product in the instant line, but that’s just me. I know results differ between people.

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There’s a right time and place for everything, and that just happens to make sense. For a semi-commercial release like this, we might actually be able to rationalize the expensive of getting that scent, too.

The company that made that is one of the best fragrance technology companies in the world, but their minimum order requirements have outclassed us all here. Androtics HQ and PheroTalk will never use enough of it on it’s own.

We could (and would), benefit from the “halo” of a larger release.

My favorite would be to bring back the original Ammo scent, but it suppressed diffusion of too many molecules while enhancing others. It was like a stereo equalizer with the bass turned way down and the highs turned way out, and the rest all crazy. It smells amazing, but it’s a toughie to work with.

The original Game scent, on the other hand, is the easiest thing we’ve worked with yet. It made the rest of our job much easier. A remake would reduced a little, since it’d remade to IFRA 2010 standards (they ban and/or limit more molecules every year), but I bet it’ll still retain many of it’s original qualities.

EDIT: I may want to give the makers of FF21 and FF22 some more shots, however. We can have 10 to 15 new fragrances whipped up by them for the cost of one batch of the old Game. No doubt each new batch they make to our request, the closer they’ll come to actually giving us what we need. We already have alternative samples from them we could put out to test.

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Jasmin, was mx297 created for this purpose or is it just a coincidence, or (I can’t remember well), but wasn’t mx297 released as a part of the chemical charisma mx’s?

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I don’t understand the feedback here saying that MX297 makes you popular, yet it’s adverse to the idea of Ammo.

Ammo has been our only fun marketing name, the one that doesn’t necessarily go completely hand in hand with the formula. Something fun that could be a step up from Axe, like Axe but with good effects and utility in daily life.

So Ammo 2.0 isn’t supposed to be a thing like Ammo 1.0, or even the Instant line where the name is intended to accurately reflect the effect. Just erase Ammo 1.0 from consideration, and any current descriptive copy for it.

The idea with a truly commercial Ammo (which is what we’ve wanted 2.0 to be) is an easy to use product, that’s highly positive and beneficial to yourself and all around you.

True hardcore attraction products, with the types of formulas we’ve seen anyway, have no place in the mass consumer marketplace. There’s too much fallout from those, especially -none based ones. As far as I know, THOSE will always be niche. (Project UF if it works, BY AGREEMENT, will remain in highly limited, niche distribution)

For a mass release to be RESPONSIBLE and beneficial to the world, you have to get as close as possible to what people really want, but w/o fallout.

That’s why we’ve said time and time again, a commercial version of Ammo would make you like a dude in the TV show “Friends”. Happy, popular guy, lots of social success, not sleezy or scary, but still somehow gets the girls 'cuz he makes everyone feel good and has social proof on his side.

Ideally, any “fallout” of any of our mass scale would be beneficial to everyone around – so it has a sort of “world changing halo” type effect. A better world is a type of profit to all. Since you cannot escape the world, wearing a product that has a side effect a better place makes also makes it better for you, your family, etc. It’s a positive cybernetic loop that effects everyone.

If only Coke thought that way before putting out another can of Coke Classic, the world would be a better place with less diabetes and happier people. Their mainstream product should the healthy “Coke +” (the one with vitamins and minerals), the niche product should be full sugar Coke.

Almost every reason you guys are giving as to why MX297 is a bad choice, actually makes it a great choice. I’m befuddled and confuzzled. :stuck_out_tongue: Please remember what kind of company we are, guys, our goals and ideals. We’re not the typical dildo pheromone company!

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Perhaps these alternative samples could be sprayed on card and shipped off in little baggies to longtime users for a lil scratch n sniff comparison testing?