My recent experience with IS AMMO p75 P74

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Ok so before I visit my target portugese 24 year old next week I thought I’d give this mix a shot on some other targets to gauge the reaction.

I used IS (4 sprays ), AMMO (World 2 sprays), p75 2.5 mcg, p74 5.0 mcg

I must say i got some reaction on the street from strangers I never had before. 2 guys apparently one a bum who looks like a BETA male approaches me and asks me to help me with his car.. he does this without any hesistation and then gives me a dirty look when I say no. he must of been 40+ and I wasn’t used to this happening especially in toronto where people mind their own business.

Then another guy approaches me, a BETA male in his 40’s as I walk 20 feet past him begging me to buy chocolate off of him.. I noticed the girl before him said no and he didn’t try to persuade her but when I walked by he started begging me when I said no and then FOLLOWED me begging me.

What the hell is going on here???

So then I go to visit my parents who I haven’t seen in a while. The people at the condo are usually very guarded who they let in but this time the ladies (over 40) made some jokes about the food I had in my hand and invited me and my female friend in by holding the door open.

My mother seemed to be rather cautious how she talked to me.. usually she walks over me until she gets her way but this time she was more sweet. Perhaps I too was very relaxed.

I noticed I didn’t put up with my father too much.. I wasn’t in the mood to talk to him as he was just complaining about his problems.

When I left I went to a caffe where young caucasion women hang out because I figured this mix is supposed to work on them.

Also after about 5 min I was surrounded by women. Two new older blonde women where sitting behind me, and two spanish looking women mid 20’s were sitting across from me.

After about 10 min of talking to my friend, I noticed the 25 year old spanish women who didn’t look in my direction (She was with a female friend and seated looking the other way) was twirling and playing with her hair for get this 3 min straight.. I got it on video.. i’ve never seen anything like it.. For 3 miN!!!

She was not my type but I noticed it must be the AMMO World working on her.

Anyways this mix may be SEXY on SOME women but overall it is very BETA on MALES.. I have a feeling the 4 IS is attracting very young women, the p74 is getting the gay hits, and the p75 is making me stand up for myself even though I get these gay hits. The ammo world is getting women hot and bothered after several minutes and the hair twirling.

All in all I need to tweak it before I see my 24 year old portugese target next sun at Swiss Chalet.. I really don’t want other men interrupting me when I’m with her and treating me beta.

Any suggestions? Experience tells me to keep IS and AMMO where they are but the devil lies in the p75 p74 alterations!

Either I up p75 or down p74.. the question is does something like 2.5 p75 and 2.5 p74 sound like a better than 5.0 p75 to 2.5 -5.0 p74? Note I had used 2.5 p75 and 5.0 p74.

Seemed like it takes the most miniscule amount of p74 for me to get reactions.. Amazing!

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Am I hearing you to say you mixed or layered these items? If you haven’t started to mix some things together in a TOGO, maybe it’s worth trying. I’d consider Two sprays each AMMO, IShine and 75. You could also up the IShine sprays or add IO. Maybe IH. It’s been awhile since I played with IShine. However, evidence in the forums suggests to me TAA is like alphanol, and electron donor. -eNone is a lipophilic hydrogen bond acceptor. My general experience mixing would have the NONE bind to the skin’s lipid layer (you can pre-clean the skin to remove the lipid layer and try altering this) while TAA binds to NONE. My experience with TAC is that 75 and NONE both have similar properties, and TAC seems to act like alphanol as a donor, making TAC/75/NONE mixes burn in about 4 hours. I would expect similar results with AMMO/75/Shine. See if more Shine doesn’t make the mix hit harder with a faster burn. However, diluent in Shine gives it longer fixation than TAA alone, by design.

You could count on one hand posts about chemical physics, and, frankly, it’s an art best left to perfumery chemists and pheromone commercial mixologists. But, it’s very real, and I try to observe it’s nuances at all times. It requires advanced study and understanding of how these mones work at the quantum electrical level, and my dislike of maths limits my understanding. That and I don’t have a GC/MS in the garage or a double PhD. When Androtics talks about 80-year-old pheromone alchemists, that’s kind of what they’re getting at. Most guys with that much training in physics, chem and math would be working at the top worldwide fragrance companies. Still, if you can class pheromones into whether they bind or interact with NONE and 75 (two unique ones that last 8 hours), you’ve got something important. Think about why AMMO contains so little alphanol, and you’ll see how your buffers/diffusers should work and why they do in mixes. Layering is different. Electrochemically different.

One more tip: if you do layer, layering the lipophilic NONE (or possibly 75) could be different if you place Shine under AMMO. Try two sprays Shine under two sprays AMMO (one side of neck) and the same Shine under 75 on the other. Reverse this. See what you get. There’s a thing called ADsorption (is there a physics major in the house?), and it gets real complex, but see what you get.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidermis_%28skin%29#Skin_hydration

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This is what i did.. First I sprays p75 1 spray to front of neck (2.5 mcg) then I sprayed ammo world 1 spray (2x strength) to front of neck, then I sprayed p74 (2.5 mcg) 1 spray to each side of neck, then I sprayed IS 2 sprayed to each side of neck.

I always heard IS is a great TOPPER to any mix which is why I topped off my mix with it.

I’m keeping the ammo at 1 spray (2x strength) , the IS 4 sprays may be attracting to young a woman, p75 2.5 mcg may be too beta with p74 thrown in so I may need to up to 5.0 mcg, and p74 gives me great results at 5.0 mcg , either I leave it there or reduce even more to 2.5 mcg . This is the confusing part.. Will 5.0 p75 and 2.5 p74 have any effect.. Without trial and error (and I don’t have the time) its hard for me to find out.

Anyone tried 5.0 p75 and 2.5 p74.. Did the p74 still shine through?

Or was it crushed by the other mones into oblivion?

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I really don’t think anything below 10 mcg total application of P74 is enough to be of any consequence. I’ve used double the amount of NONE and P75 you’re talking about here. P74 is one where you get female benefits and men are a nuisance. It’s value as either a NONE or 75 buffer is limited. My point was that you’ve nearly reached the limits of the permutations with these three layering. You’re probably going to undershoot or overshoot the mark somewhere. When you reach a mix ratio, you can then adjust the number of sprays. For example, do you know what ratio NONE to 75 produces the most consistent results for you? For me, 1:3 is least likely to OD and most to keep the benefits of both. However, one target will want 1 mcg of NONE and the other 3 or more. There should also be a ratio of Shine to these other two.

Think of it this way: three sprays of AMMO ups the NONE but keeps the buffer ratios the same. Going to three sprays gives you hefty NONE at 7.5, but the 7.5 of alphanol merely provides steering in the mix. If you used raw NONE instead, you might need 20 mcg alphanol to see anything. Let me go a step further: I don’t think there is such as thing as a universal NONE sweet spot. It is a question of acceptable ranges and ratios. The sweet spot is target specific. My range for 75 is generally 2-8 mcg. However, 74 is not satisfactory as a buffer for 5 micro gram NONE and 7.5 of 75. Neither is Shine, I don’t think. They are slightly helpful. To complicate matters, the high NONE, 75 and any amount of 74 is potentially Alpha Gay Male Kool Aid. 74 by itself is as well. Even 75 can be. If you are to stick with only AMMO, Shine and 75, using a 2 or 3:1 - 75/NONE ratio will help keep guys away. This gets oppressive with women, but lots of Shine may help. Women perceive the high NONE/75 as oppressive. That’s the problem; meanwhile, some (5-10%) guys drink it. I also think women are used to high NONE–it’s not rare to them. 75 is rare to them, and you should treat it like NONE. If you use 5 micros 75 and 5 of NONE, you’re pretty much using IJ. Shine will not buffer this, IME. Back off the 75 or NONE if they are not in a mix. See this:

TAA and 74 aren’t enough for the NONE you’re talking about, much less with 75 atop that. Mixing them might take the edge off, but you still need TAC or maybe alphanol as well. That’s me. I don’t think AMMO is buffered enough for me, making it too hit or miss. I need my own mixes to get results. For the record, I tried every permutation of AMMO, P74 and P75 I could conceive. I finally gave up in favor of TAC and mixing. My record for upper-limits testing is 60 micros 75 and Molecule C with 20 of NONE. Would you believe some gay guys like this? And none of the straight guys wanted to fight. But, if I swap 74 for TAC, gays like it more, and women ghost.

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FIRST of all I didn’t mix I layered. Just so you know.

Ok lets continue:

Okay so i am wondering now if my investment in p74 was a dud. I bought it specificically to attract a 24 year old portugese girl but if its going to turn me into a Alpha Gay male kool aid man I want none of it.

Now this girls loves IS AMMO p75 IO IH but I feel she too is oppressed with it on.

I find I needed something new besides IO and IH to use along the 75 with her to break the ice but without coming across as wimpy and gay (the 74) but now I know I have it wrong.

I don’t mind sticking to IO and IH but I find she’s getting used to my signal and I too am getting used to it (self effects man) and its not doing much for EITHER of us anymore.

After 3-4 meets with her and ALREADY asking for the date to which she replied “How about maybe.. how about we leave it at that” with a smile, and then acknowledgment and smiling the next week I saw her.. I don’t which to pursue her any further until she gives me a hint she wants me too and there’s an opening (for fear of making myself appear as too desperate). She’s busy with exams at univeristy (last week) so the “maybe” could be due to several reasons one of which maybe just being too damn busy.

I want her to chase me now and pursue me. What I have done is purposely SKIP 2 weeks of seeing her now that I saw her once every week for the last 3. I want to make her miss me a little and think about me a little.. I want to get into her head. I want her to think “I wonder why he didn’t come by this week.. he always comes by”.

I made a mistake with K at Swiss chalet and chased her for months.. i am not making that mistake again. K played games with me.. gave me her number but flaked on me when I texted/called her and no date got set up.

With this girl I went to talking in general on the first meet, asking her what foods she enjoyed on the second meet, and asking her out on the third.. On the fourth meet nothing happened.. i was served by someone else and she seemed exhausted from exams.

Now 2 additional weeks are going to go by, exams will be finished by May 1 and she will probably be more relaxed.

BTW I have touched her arm on all occasions, joked with her, and smile at her.. I have asked for the date.. i am NOT in the friend zone PERIOD.

I love 75.. i am addicted to it.. but its really oppressive man and I want awoman to ask me questions too not just be dominated by me and have me do all the work making me come across as too aggressive.

Failing any addition of p74 I am left to using IS AMMO by itself or IS AMMO p75 IO IH.

IS AMMo P75 p74 is gay male kool aid.

She would dump me in a second if other men treated me the way they did yesterday in front of her on a date.

This is why I can’t understand how people can say mones only contribute 10 %.. Look at the range of how people treat you even with NO initial effort. Look how those guys treated me. It was more like my balls were cut off and I must of been wearing drag.

I’m no alpha male but i’m certainly not beta.. I 'm 5’8" 163 lbs 33 inch waist 40 inch chest, dressed in expensive clothes and driving 30,000 new car.. Front initial impression alone I shouldn’t be getting walked over by 40+ year old betas on the STREET selling chocolate.. how can they not realize that my lack of interest when I turn them down means NO.??? Why would they pursue further and beg and follow me.. 12 year olds selling chocolate act like this not adults.

All in all I’m disgusted with p74. Unless there’s a brew with it I have yet to try it stays on my DUD list.

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I think this thread might give you some insights into both P75 and AMMO. The problem is not really P74 (unless you’re using more than 10 mcg). 10 is very low. Both women and some men find an appeal in the status projected by AMMO and 75 combined. Part of it is sexual and part is the authority. There’s no compelling need to use that much NONE in public. Make your ratio 2-3 micros 75 to every one of NONE. Even that may be too much NONE in public. 1.25 may be enough with this girl. You increase that gradually over time to build tension. You use 3 micros plus NONE in personal settings. This stuff of 5 micros as a typical dose of None does not always apply with P75. If you wear 75 at 5 micro and 5 micro of NONE, you are sending an equiv of 10 (75) or 10 (NONE) signal. Would you wear 10 of 75? Would you wear 10 of -eNone?

Women are quite tolerant of 5 (75) usually. They can handle a micro or two NONE with that, until they know you.

If we are to ever make serious progress with the still “experimental” P75, we need better data. We need men wearing the stuff alone and women saying, in their own words, what they think and why. Nothing else will suffice. I think guys are using it all wrong, just like they’re using P83 wrongly. 75 is the brawny, powerful authority figure. The cop, the boxer, the policeman…hell, even Richard Branson. If you put in too much NONE, it scares people. But probably one in ten or 20 men is attracted to this macho vibe, either sexually or because they seek approval from an Alpha leader. It does not make you weak or gay, it invites cling-ons that seek the dominant figure in the wolf pack. Many is the time I’ve been forced to double my preferred 7.5 micros 75 because I refuse to be sh*t tested by other men in public. I put an end to that quickly. Now, I’ve just sent a shocking signal to every other woman…a brutish one. TAC helps, but there’s no perfect answer. I’ve still been tested wearing 20 micros or more. Fortunately, these are the minority. They tend to be maladjusted. If you wear 10 of 75 and 1-2 micros NONE, you’ll have few tests. You will need IO at a minimum to buffer this. It will make you seem less a brute. TAC is good also. There might be a better putative. I just don’t know. IG could also be worth a try.

Remember this: TUTH and AMMO weren’t designed to layer with P75. The standard dosing wasn’t calibrated for the overbearing properties of 75. Start think in terms of far less NONE for dating or day wear. Start low and work up. You’ll still need Shine and Openness together. The combined effect of NONE and 75 is very strong.

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Portuguese women its not easy lolololol my mix In the clubs Portugal : 20 mcg P74 + 2.5 mcg p75 + 2 x ammo regular streng + 2 x IS + 2 IO …i dont need honesty… girls go crazy 20-40 years ,I do not need to approach, they fly to me and lick me…lolol. P74 for me work very well, but the mones reacts differently on every person.I’m always experimenting, mcg , sprays, to find the best mix.
I do not agree that the mones are only 10%, a mix with the right amount for me 50% -60%.

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I get it , you’re saying basically keep the none low when using p75 if you want to attract women in a public setting.

Have you considered I am over 35 years of age and may get away with more none than a 20 year old?

Unfortunately I bought my ammo world in 2x strength that means 5.0 none so I’ve virtually screwed myself up now. I did this because I did not want too much cologne smell from using 2 sprays of 1x strength. (allergies)

The 10 mcg p75 is great to keep guys at bay like in a competetive setting but where I go its mostly women working at swiss chalet.. My target a portugese woman and the competetion from males there doesn’t exist. I’m wondering if I need to alter my brew.. I’m not in a club with her yet dude.

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A couple of questions… do you find at 20 mcg p74 stranger beta males are approaching you too and treating you like there buddy? What do you do about this when you’re trying to attract women? How does it influence your image?

Secondly, in your post to me you stated 4xIS , 2 ammo, 2.5 p75 and 5.0 p74.

Now you’re stating a completely different mix.. Fair enough you mention this is in a club setting with ovulating females.

Would you recommend I use your mix in other settings too like evening restaurants on a date or is it too overbearing… And such a huge amount of p74.. I get wimpy reactions with 5.0 man from males.. What will 20 p74 do to me..(bascially get molested by men.. lol) I guess in a club people don’t wanna talk to strangers too much so the increased p74 will help with that but in a restarant like swiss chalet or red lobster how would you tailer it?

Also How do you handle gay hits from males? Or does this not bother you?

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I just noticed and wanted to point out that the advice by MMDI and Komax is completely opposite.

One is stating using a small amount of none compared to p75 (eg 5.0 p75 1-2 mcg none) MMDI and watching out for p74 at high doses (over 10 mcg), and Komax is stating use p74 at 20 mcg and using DOUBLE the none compared to p75.. that 2.5 p75 and 5.0 none.

Now I’m really baffled.. My target is portugese but I kinda see both points of view.. venue is important. Also my age is an issue as I’m over 35. I can probably handle more none than a 20 year old.

I think venue is everything in day and evening wear small amount of everything is ideal.. Clubs call for magnitudes of change and I’m not going there.

My own experience tells me 5.0 p74 is too much for ME. i don’t like the reactions.. it puts me to beta. .But let me tell you it does reduce approach anxiety which helps me.

I’m not going with 20 mcg 74 no way man.. But 2.5 mcg p74 I’ll consider.

Now it comes down to whether 2.5 p75 to 5.0 ammo will suit me better than 5.0 p75 to 1-2 mcg ammo as I’m over 35 and not producing much none.

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My suggestion stands (more or less). You’ve reached the limits of the consumer line. You need more refinement, but that’s not what they do. You can, actually, spray P75, Shine, and Double AMMO into a TOGO. This is merely a guideline for the ratios:

I wear a custom mix of .75 NONE, 1.75 P75 and 3.75 TAC per spray. I regularly apply this every 4 hours. All the time. Around women, I target 2 sprays, up to 4 as they tolerate. I may eventually add P74. Dilute that AMMO down or mix (not layer) it. Try your target out at 1-2 mcg NONE. Increase this only on a positive response, and do it slowly. This much 75 and NONE, I think, gives you 50% chance of a negative response. Age is not relevant here. The conventional wisdom of NONE dosing changes when you use 75. 5 micros of 75 and 1 of NONE is well-tolerated by all ages with no buffers. However, buffering makes me more approachable. IO is just fine for this, but I’m a growing TAC fan. Next time you order, get some 5 mL of -eRone. e-None, 75, Molecule C and alphanol. Start brewing your own. You’re an advanced user. It’s time to lose the training wheels, if you forgive the metaphor.:smiley:

Ask or search how women respond to 75 and NONE at these doses. I think you’ll find what I’ve suggested is the most they tolerate together unless they are very comfortable with you. You can ALWAYS put on more NONE, but the only anti-Ghosting/OD antidote is TAC (ASFAIK). I even think women can more easily wear high amounts of 75 than NONE comfortably, based on limited reporting data. 75 is like a potent androsterone. I don’t think it’s androstArone. I think it’s some sort of reagent-grade -eRone synthesis or something like that. ExperiMone -eNone is different than that in AMMO. I think Experi is reagent grade. Treat 75 like heavy duty Rone. Here’s why:

It wouldn’t shock me if P75 was epiandrosterone or an Androstane. I couldn’t offer a better guess with the functional groups, but the male avoidance behavior seems to be there… BTW, this thought just hit me as I wrote this. More research…:cool:

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Ok if I go with your suggestion how about i try this:

5.0 mcg p75
1-2 mcg ammo reg strength

  • buffers(IS x 3, IO x 3, IH x 3)

I thing I fear is the 5.0 p75.. I heard numerous account of it being suited for 25-30+ year old women. Would 5.0 cause too much intimidation for 23-24 year old girl? Also the higher I go with p75 the more apt I am to be lucid for hrs after applying it. I have to always use the 3 hr window battling krptonite.. Apply p75 at 12 pm, apply ammo and socials at 3 pm and go see my target at 4:20 pm. I’ve followed this script to a T.. the p75 has great lasting power and lasts right into 6-7 pm. the ammo and socials last till then as well.

Your combo I have USED with her with EVERY time except you suggest to reduce ammo to 1-2 mcg instead of 2 sprays (5.0 mcg). Keep in mind on weekends (when I schedule social activities) I do cardio morning and night.. no weight training.. So I don’t know if this will effect my none levels. Weight training I do M W F at night along with 20 min cardio every morning. I’m taking testosterone and hgh supplementation and burning fat and building muscle like crazy now, very very active (7 days a week for 1 hr a day (two workouts one AM one PM). Feeling a lot more energetic. This should only help me with mones , correct? I am not overtraining, get plenty of sleep, and take all kinds of proteins, supplements , and vitiamins. I also abstain from ejaculation unless I plan on having sex. I find it provides me with tremendous energy to chase women instead of masturbating to porn and turning instead to a lazy piece of shit who doesn’t even have the energy , drive, to look women in the eye.

P.S you have on several occasions told me to mix in togos.. Do you know androtics only ships SEALED togos to canada?
I don’t have one that can open up and reuse :frowning:

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Hi .. I decided the best way to figure out what will work for me before I see my crush is trial and error and experience so today i went out with the exact combo you noted above. 20 mcg P74 + 2.5 mcg p75 + 2 x ammo regular streng + 2 x IS + 2 IO

DISASTER. From the moment I put it on I was fuzzy headed… Lucid .. Stoned.. Its now 2 hrs later not a single hit and I feel terrible.. I have now acquired a headache, am slower at thinking, and don’t feel in the moment. I had noticed this with mega doses of p74 in the past.

When i wore 5 mcg p74 on Sat I didn’t have this problem. It could very well be something in p74 conflicts with my body chemistry. You yourself say you are from Portugal so maybe p74 agrees with you better.

For me this mix didn’t work.. Even if it does have reactions on other which I doubt It has horrible effects on me. And if a mix doesn’t make me feel good i don’t care the effects it has on others because I can’t capitalize on them.

EDIT: To prove whether it is the mix which screwed me up and nothing else I’m going to shower and scrub right now and see how I feel in 15 min. Will report back
Finsihed showering and scrubbing now 12 min later and all mones washed off.. Alertness has returned.. Headache gone away.. And ability to sense better. It was indeed the mones. Still feel a little exhausted but then again a shower and scrub probably wouldn’t fix that problem immediately. That should go away on its own over the next little while.

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Roughly 1/2 spray regular AMMO, 5 micros 75 and 4 sprays of IO is where I’d start. If you tolerate that well, stay with it. The IO makes it playful and less serious. It’s a reasonable NONE and 75 buffer. Develop a solid GOTO formula and use it generally. Don’t worry so much about ethnic targeting. You can tweak the NONE, 75 and IO to the target. Develop a baseline that is conservative and non-threatening. Layer up after an hour if you’re not getting responses. Go to another 1/2 AMMO spray. You can go to 6 of IO or 7.5 of 75 if it’s tolerated. You need to know if you can tolerate this first. Can you handle 6 sprays Openness, 5 micros NONE and 7.5 of 75? You need a regular dating mix and a well-tested lower and upper limit. A good regular mix doesn’t require perfection.

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Never used 7.5 mcg of 75 so I wouldn’t know.. I find 5.0 difficult to handle without a few hrs for me to cooldown and 7.5 may be impossible. Who knows if my brain would recover from the initial assualt. None I can handle 5.0 (you say none as in pure none, like tuth? Or balance none like ammo?).. IO I can handle even 8 sprays.

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As I said I’ve been experimenting with mones every day, this mix: 4 xIS + 5 mcg p74 2.5 p75 + ammo works, but I decided to add more (20 mcg p74 + 2 x IO) and less IS (only 2), which works much better. P74 + P75 when used together almost gives me the effect crush on women, with IO + IS have a balanced mix, maybe some P83 / IO and can be the perfect MIX . I have no reactions by men, in fact the P75 repels men. I dont have self effects mones.

Sorry my English :slight_smile:

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This mix has got to be the worst one I’ve ever tried.. Either its the mones or my body chemistry is changing fast and I can’t tolerate it.

P75 at 5.0 mcg and 1/2 ammo and 4 IO I wore to mall. Ok Got NO reactions… Felt extremely angry and VERY serious. My friend (girl) talked to me but said I was extremely serious today.

First I thought it must be the 1/2 spray ammo so luckily I had my bottle with me and tossed on another 1/2 spray.. Now I’m up to 1 spray ammo and 5.0 p75 , 4 IO .

Guy.. DISASTER.. I am completely angry, serious, even took pictures of me smiling and not smiling and I looked too angry.

You know what its the p75.. 5.0 untamed is what happened… I can’t wear 5.0 untamed.. 4 IO is not good enough to soften in.

The only time I wore p75 untamed was when I wore 2.5 mcg with 8 sprays IO to the bar where I picked up the bartender.

But look p75 at 5.0 makes me had angry thoughts, makes me extremely aggressive and gets no girls into me, even if I approach without fear because they sense a very serious man.

My problem is socials.. Not enough.

I’ve decided on something.. you say not to wear 5.0 p75 and 2 sprays ammo cause it too much none.

I will wear my true standby because my experience is my best teacher and not what looked good on paper.

I will wear 2.5 p75 , 2.5-5.0 ammo , 3 IS.. Now that is 7.5 mcg none, with 3 IS buffering the 2.5 P75.. Someone else on the forum did just this and called it the blonde attractor mix.

However this STILL might not be buffered enough. That brings in IO IH. 3 shots of each should buffer well.

Now we have 2.5 p75, 2.5-5.0 ammo, 3 IS, 3 IO, 3 IH

Total none is like 5.0 to 7.5 which is tolerated.. Maybe 2.5 ammo is better who knows.. Depends. Women are used to men with high none.. It doesn’t freak them out.. they are used to it since they get their periods. On the other hand the p75 rhino women are not used to and may not like.. Too much power. Too antisocial… Too much none may be forgivable.

With all those socials I think i can go 2.5 p75, 5.0 ammo, 3 IS, 3-4 IO, 3 IH

P75 gives me power, ammo is the attractant, IS is the mood lift, IO gets women talking to me more, and IH makes me come across as trustworthy.. After all why would a woman who hardly knows me say yes to a date if she can’t trust me.. For all she knows I could be a rapist. The fact that I got a “Maybe how about we leave it at that” with smiles on the third attempt tells me she trusts me enough for me to take her out even though she hardly knows me. This is the power of IH.. Women confide in you with it on. That means their making themselves vunerable thinking you won’t take advantage.

Personally the last 3 weeks I’ve been using 5.0 p75, 5.0 ammo, 3 IS, 3-4 IO, 3 IH and have had decent results with her. But over the LAST week I have started a vigorous workout program and I am wired with energy and alertness and strength. i feel 5.0 p75 is too much power for me.. I already am charged with the workouts.

The safest bet is to go in with 2.5 p75, 2.5 ammo, 3 IS, 4 IO, and 3 IH.. but I don’t know if so many socials will make me into a mouse. I don’t want to be friended.. My friend says forget the IO why do I even need it.. I don’t want gab I want to be a man. And a man initiates.. IO might make for more chatter but irrelavent chatter.. 3 IS and 3 IH may be enough.

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This mix has got to be the worst one I’ve ever tried.. Either its the mones or my body chemistry is changing fast and I can’t tolerate it.

P75 at 5.0 mcg and 1/2 ammo and 4 IO I wore to mall. Ok Got NO reactions… Felt extremely angry and VERY serious. My friend (girl) talked to me but said I was extremely serious today.

First I thought it must be the 1/2 spray ammo so luckily I had my bottle with me and tossed on another 1/2 spray.. Now I’m up to 1 spray ammo and 5.0 p75 , 4 IO .

Guy.. DISASTER.. I am completely angry, serious, even took pictures of me smiling and not smiling and I looked too angry.

You know what its the p75.. 5.0 untamed is what happened… I can’t wear 5.0 untamed.. 4 IO is not good enough to soften in.

The only time I wore p75 untamed was when I wore 2.5 mcg with 8 sprays IO to the bar where I picked up the bartender.

But look p75 at 5.0 makes me had angry thoughts, makes me extremely aggressive and gets no girls into me, even if I approach without fear because they sense a very serious man.

My problem is socials.. Not enough.

I’ve decided on something.. you say not to wear 5.0 p75 and 2 sprays ammo cause it too much none.

I will wear my true standby because my experience is my best teacher and not what looked good on paper.

Personally the last 3 weeks I’ve been using 5.0 p75, 5.0 ammo, 3 IS, 3-4 IO, 3 IH and have had decent results with her. But over the LAST week I have started a vigorous workout program and I am wired with energy and alertness and strength. i feel 5.0 p75 is too antisocial power for me.. I am already charged with the workouts (sprints, and weight training). Its the workouts causing this change in me.

The safest bet is to go in with 2.5 p75, 2.5 ammo, 3 IS, 4 IO, and 3 IH.. but I don’t know if so many socials will make me into a mouse who has doubts about himself. I don’t want to be friended.. 5.0 ammo will definitely keep me out of the friends box. She’s a southern european girl, she can tolerate more none. With all those socials too much ammo (a balanced product) may still be forgiveble given my age and overall lower testosterone levels. (over 40)

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The real problem you’re running into is that you’re highly sensitive to the adrenergic effects of P75. Anyone treated for anxiety must use this with caution. I use 15 micros all the time as a stimulant. It has about the same potency as > 200 mg caffeine. I highly urge you to try TAC. Molecule C has anticholinergic properties and a potency of about 50 mg diphenhydramine at 30 micros T A C. It is the only thing I’ve tried that can totally obliterate NONE and 75 aggression. If you use 10 micros NONE and 75 combined, 10 of T A C buffers it out. My highest tests so far: 60 TAC, 60 P75, 20 -eNone. No issues. No fights. No serious OD. 30 T A C can put you to sleep. 75 instantly counteracts this. It’s the parasympathetic properties of C that lead to relaxation and orgasm in females. It can also promote blood flow to the pelvic area in men, and 75 promotes male libido, with regular use and a little NONE. T A C + NONE + 75 drives women crazy, if you get their personalized ratios correct. And, sure, you can use as much IH, IO and Shine as you want. I used probably 12 combined sprays of those atop just 10 micros 75 with no None.

I strongly prefer the softness of ExperiMone pure NONE. Women seem to like it better. I like no pee smell. Given your self effects sensitivity, stay with molecules and ratios you feel consistently good with. You can mix them. You can also explore others you may not have tried, if there are any. High amounts of NONE do not have the stimulant effect on the CNS / sympathetic nerves and have less overreaction with self effects due to over stimulation. However, targets might feel differently. For me, I love massive amounts P75, and I’d wear 30 of 75 everywhere, all the time, if people didn’t mind. I could give a f*ck if men mind. Women…I don’t want to creep out the young 'uns.

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What do you know I have a full bottle of TAC (Molecule C) sitting in my drawer for the last 6 months.. Iused it once and almost fell asleep.. Perhaps because I used it on its own.. I will give it a try with p75 and see what happens.

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