Lately, Ive been experimenting with P75 and P74 together as a combo. P75 solo has given me a very alpha feeling-noticeable changes in my walk and my assertiveness. I’ve used it at 2.5mcg for these effects. I recently added 20 mcg of P74 to this, and it seems as though the self effects of the p75 have cancelled out. Effects on others have been normal/nothing out of the ordinary.
The addition of 20mcg P74 has also made me feel a lot more nervous and kind of shy. The shy feeling reminds me of how I used to feel about 5-6 years ago, but since then I have changed. I know p75 alone had given me a good confidence boost. But seems that the p74 is just taking that away. I will try lowering the P74 to 10mcg with my 2.5mcg P75 to see if that ratio is better.
Perhaps, more testing is needed to confirm its not just a fluke in these situations. I’m hoping the P74 can work for me because the reports sound very promising for someone like me who is trying to attract younger girls in a LTR fashion.
Anyone have recommendations for me, other than to do more testing? I would really like to make this mix work. Also, does anyone have any experience getting the same P75 self effects with 1.25mcg P75? I was advised to test out 1.25mcg P75 for younger women (18-24). If self effects are still present at 1.25mcg, this may be a good dose to test out.
Try 7.5 of P75, 2.5 mcg -eNone and 20 of P74. Stay at 20. The ratio of 3:1 75 to NONE performs well. 80% of women seem to tolerate this, although younger ones can be sensitive to any NONE over 1 mcg. A mix of these will perform better than layering, I think. I have a mix of 7.5 75, 7.5 TAC and 2.5 raw -eNone. I may eventually add 74 back in or go 7.5 of each of all four across the board. 7.5 of 75 is is an upper limit for the best risk/benefit of female preference and keeping it Alpha with yourself and other men. Always include some NONE, or it it’s freeway to friend zone. Just an opinion: 75 is not really a cousin to NONE but to androsterone. Just like you have alpha and beta nol, there is A and B sterone. Thus, 75 projects a very potent dominance that is not intrinsically sexual. I have one or two top secret entries in my P 75 notes. It produces a specific response in targets over and over. It is rarely reported. It hasn’t been reported in this forum in several years, and then only twice. Only 75 does it. If I ever test P80 or find a product that does this specific thing, well, we’ll see.
I happen to think 75 is the one mone that reproduces consistent behaviors at high doses. You could play a video and see the same behaviors over and over. That said, no matter what ratios I test, 3:1 75 keeps coming back. Even 60 mcg 75 to 20 of NONE…surprisingly well-liked by all. However, P74 won’t handle that amount. It cannot buffer 15 mcg of 75 very well. It also is too beta/male friendly above 20 mcg and needs a good amount of 75 to counter this. 2.5 of 75 won’t do, I don’t think.
My Combo Verdict:
P74 20 mcg
7.5 mcg P75
1 spray of a product with 2.5 mcg -eNone (or 1/2 spray)
MMMDI what makes you think that p75 is Alpha or beta androsterone, have you done any side by side comparisons? I have a lot of experience with Beta androsterone and have found that it is nothing like p75, actually too much beta eRone or epiandrosterone as some people call it is actually a very beta vibe above about 15 mcg.
However the similarities with p75 and AndrostAnone are astonishing I recommend you give the two a side by side comparison and you will see what I mean the only difference I could see was that the AndrostAnone was slightly more accepted by males but I think that this is the result of a pure/dirty synthesis because it came from a different vendor, would like to hear your thoughts on the two if you ever get a chance to test.
2.5mcg P75 is a safe dose to attract younger women. You could lower the P75 but the self-effects might be less noticeable, all depends on what you are comfortable with. Either lower your P74 dose, to maybe 5-10mcg or add some IG or A314 with that. For LTR purposes nothing beats IH in a combo, might look in to that as well.
I’d love to, especially comparing the raw androsterone and P80. The structure of androstanone doesn’t make me think it would be a good hydrogen bond donor with -eNone. I would expect P75 to be lipophilic and poorly diffused. It diffuses like alphanol over a broad area quickly at low amounts. It burns in four hours mixed 50/50 with TAC. It inhibits the tranquil and drowsy effects of high doses of TAC. I’m not seeing this reported with A None. The argument against A None is less compelling than for Beta eRone. I find this report to be pretty consistent with my now daily use of 75. It acts like ephedrine or guarana. It is not a stimulant, but disinhibits fatigue. It can actually lead to exhaustion, similar to tachyphylaxis from OTC sleep aids. It is the hunter on a two-day quest who will not sleep until bagging game. My intent is to acquire ExperiMone eRone next, if I can stop going through 10 mL of P75 mix per week. This does not present any hard conclusion. It presents an idea to test. Not an argument for a thesis. If there is no thought provoked, testing stops and research hits a glass ceiling, which is where 75 is at–until we wipe the slate and look at it afresh.
If I see a specific observation reported comparing P75 to another substance, I will know that person has it down solid. There was one highly experienced female user who reported this years ago. If I see someone reproduce this 75 effect, I will PM them with that report. This is an observation you should see above 7.5 mcg in standalone tests of 75, usually in men. I don’t read it in conjunction with A None, and Beta eRone reports are scant. I believe Olfact was correct. This is merely my opinion. It remains to be demonstrated, Q.E.D.
The P80 / A None argument might have merit.
I also find JohnnyHard’s observations here and elsewhere compelling. But, admittedly, Beta Rone seems a paradoxical creature, called very masculine and feminine as well. Energizing. Is it like IG or a male version of TAL? What I look for are reports of congruent adjectives/synomnyms: energizing, self-irritation/annoyance, male distancing coupled with princely respect, women who find it attractive in the sense of manly beauty but not sexual; lacking sexual arousal (argues against it being a close cousin of -eNone). Beta and Alpha Nol are isomers with similar communication properties. P75 seems devoid of sexual arousal and needs -eNone badly. Women have a higher tolerance for wearing it but little for NONE. Crazy, wild eye contact with 75. Cat-like scanning of the horizon, like someone on point for night patrol in combat. These are things that are the hallmarks of 75 for me. My testing occurs over entire days. Hours upon hours observing the same people over months. Sadly, my expenses testing (over two hundred dollars the last two weeks) impact my budget and time to test as many things as I’d like. I still haven’t done P102 properly yet. It will take me a year to move through so many things. However, some chemicals are better than others, and TAC/75 command my acute attention, deservedly so.
I also think there are two kinds of 75 users: ones who love crazy amounts (me) and those who hate over 2.5. They may be missing something or may respond differently in blind comparisons. If it didn’t hit so hard at 30 micros, I’d use that every day with some TAC and None. 60 makes me feel great. Hell, I’ve gone through 1/2 bottle of 7.5 micros in just a couple weeks. Same with TAC. Your mileage may surely vary.
That’s some solid info. I understand how you described the ratios. And I’d love to know what the consistent behavior is lol. One thing that concerns me is that 7.5mcg P75 may be too much for me. I’m not sure how much age plays into this but I am 23 yo and do regular weightlifting. I heard from Mobo that my natural -enone may compound the effects of the 75. That’s why Im hesitant about going well over 2.5 right now. Also, do you notice any relationship between P75 dosage and the age group it attracts? (ex. over 5mcg mostly attracts older women…). These are a couple of my concerns right now. Dont wanna come off too strong or intimidating/scary to girls my age.
I noticed when meeting girls for the first time at an event last week with 2.5mcg P75, they had a very surprised look on their face like WHAT JUST HAPPENED? or WHOA! DIDNT SEE THAT COMING!. They almost seemed intrigued by me and one of them even asked “I know this is forward but how old are you?”. Perhaps, the 75 made me seem older. Overall, it seemed like a positive response as they seemed attracted by the mystery.
I personally find 2.5 mcg - 5.0 mcg p75 my sweet spot.. 7.5 mcg and I overdose become tense, irritable, and stoned.. i am taking some prescription medications and MMDI has indicated that the p75 at higher doses may be compounding my medical problems.
In any case mones aren’t everything they are like 20 %. 2.5 mcg and I am more relaxed, younger women like me more BUT I don’t always get the no fear unstoppable emotion I get from 5.0 at times. 5.0 I will more likely get the self effects but women become more hesitant and shy.
I think 2.5 is best for you but if you buffer with too many socials you may lose the self effects at such a low dose and with p75 self effects are like 60% of the game.
Lately I have been heavily into working out.. i work out 2x day 7 days a week now during the spring and summer, back to 3-4 days a week during the winter months. So my natural signature is changing and my tolerance levels too.
Why not do this try 2.5 mcg wait 1-2 hrs see if you get self effects if you do you don’t need to increase it, if you don’t you can up it to 5.0. Using 5.0 from time to time digs in the p75 unstoppable vibe that seems to last even into the next day with no p75 on me.
I see what you mean about the weightlifting. Looks like you have a pretty vigorous routine. I feel like my natural enone is high from all the training and sweating I do. I’ll stick with the 2.5mcg and check for self effects. Perhaps, I’ll do well with p74 at 10mcg instead of 20mcg. And dab some 75 under my nose to heighten self effects.
I think you’ll find that, mixed with an equal amount of TAC, significantly higher amounts of 75 will be well tolerated by yourself and others. TAC acts much like Atarax, an early anti-anxiety med that literally gives you a buzz (but not a controlled substance). P75 nullifies this and also tends to inhibit fatigue. Anyone with anxiety or anxiousness in targets, I think, should be using TAC with P75. T A C is the buffer, while P74 is really for emotional steerage, I think.
Hits with just 2.5 or 5 of 75 alone can be quite good. If you search P75 in the women’s forums in ascending order, you’ll find perhaps 10 self effects reports from women. One particularly is different from all others. My interest in the molecule is more to do with scientific papers that would report on it do so by the chemical name and not P75 per se. I have no commercial ties in the pheromone industry at all. In high doses, this one proves to skeptics that pheromones are real. Secondly, I feel this one has the best chance of being validated in vitro and in vivo. Lastly, and I will expand upon this in my journal, I think that P75 is produced dynamically. I’d bet it is produced by men who cohabitate with women. Perhaps pregnant women or those with children. P75 is the sentry and protector of the household. If androsterone is the provider, P75 is the praetorian guard, or what folks in the UK call the Household Calvary. We would call them the Old Guard of the US Army. However, this could be the course/fine synthesis aspect of androsterone as well.
Men defer to this P75 guardian (and women are drawn to it), because the protector of the family has a traditional place of honor, and because women with children are naturally accorded high respect–except… I have found that some men with borderline psychopathy are paradoxically drawn to P75. No amount will deter them. In yet another test, I’ve again found 15 micros 75, NONE and T A C across the board well tolerated by all in this mix.
And then…I’m searching Google, and this shows up https://a314.com/
I wasn’t aware that Androtics ever sold this. I didn’t know Beta Rone had a fragrance…OR…was this some attempt at a competitor to NPA? For the record, I’ve never used NPA. So, maybe this would have been Androtics PA? Cue the four-note Dragnet theme.
I solo tested P74 yesterday (15mcg, one on each side of my Adam’s apple and one shot on the wrists).
I didn’t get enough interaction with the opposite sex to say one way or the other about it there.
As for the self effects, I can only imagine it as about a 20% version of A1 for men. I checked my eyes in the mirror and they had the happy, puffy look that women get when I’m wearing A1 about them (First time I’ve seen a pheromone do that to me). I was minorly negative when I applied it, the standard buzz/woozy feeling for 2 to 3 after applying most moves, neutral after about 10 minutes, 15 mildly upbeat, 20 I felt pretty positive and right as rain after an hour and a half to two and a half hours. No burn out when I came down, just a gradual drop off as the mones wore off.
When mixed with other pheromones at either 5 or 10 mcgs I didn’t really notice a damn thing by adding P74. I’m guessing the threshold with others is higher. (I thought one day that P74 at 10 mcgs might have been giving me a bad trip like you described, but I was under extreme stress… The addition of it might have compounded things, but I really don’t know).
Unfortunately I just placed an order, and damn I wish I had waited a day till after I tested P74 solo. Now it’ll have to wait a few months before my next order.
Can I ask your advice on something Still? I want to know if you believe in the gradual escalation of IO to IH to tuth or do you believe if one is looking for LTR they can start of with IS AMMo p75 IH IO and stick with it throughout the relationship? Also do you find that self effects dont’ hit as hard when a combo is not changed up regularly.. This week I went from p75 to summer ammo to a product not sold by androtics that is very alpha and says your the sexy stud and attracts older women.
I found when i return back to p75 changes in contrast from what I noticed from one sig to another made the self effects extremely noticeable.
For a moment on 2.5 p75 I must of thought I was god.. i was actually having delusions that I could go up to a multimillionaire women and introduce myself . Of course this all happened in my head.
In reality I was in my own world. Usually if I wear p75 regularly I’m less anxious but this time I was very anxious and excited and driven as if I took down 10 cups of coffee.
So there in lies the rub as Shakespeare would say.. You stick to the same mones you grow accustomed.. You change things up and self effects due to noticing contrast changes between products hit hard.
The problem is for those of us not socializing with the same age group of women all the time not in school, working from home, my targets are in malls, cafes, restaurants and beauty parlours, come in all nationalities and ages wearing the same combo everywhere could get you something or nothing, so you have to adapt.
I don’t get to choose only attract blondes, only attract older women or younger women, or this or that nationality .. I’m living in a cross cultural and wide age spectrum environment. The is a good way and a best way for every situation..
I want LTR that is SEXUAL (not just friendship) with 25-32 year old women white, sourthern european, and indian women. I meet them in day, evening, timeframes. Rarely anything after 11 pm.
What would you choose? Can there really be a choice in one product? It seems my situation is unlike many others.
If you are looking for a LTR I would start with a combo that projects that, and stick with it, IS AMMo p75 IH IO would be a good choice but I find it more a club attraction mix, during the day I tend to avoid Androstenone products as it makes me nervous. Self effects may decline, when you’re getting used to the effects and not notice them that much.
I think for daytime attraction purposes, a signature that projects cool guy, fun and laid back would be a good starting point to have women interested, I wouldn’t know the holy grail combo for this situation, there’s a lot to experiment with.