Negative pheromones

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So how long do you suppose till we are able to buy pheromones with effects that would be categorised as “negative” by the common standards?

Pheromones for fear, anger, sadness, panic, uncomfortableness (sp?), feel of unimportance.

I’d probably buy such stuff. They would work well as a basis for some prank or being just mean, or I’d use them on myself, like fear, as I love being scared shitless, the horror movie fanatic that I am. It’s always annoying when you’re watching a film that should be frightening and the company just laughing or snoring it through, because there just is no right atmosphere. You spray the pheromones around the room before the film and you get a film experience of a lifetime, or something like that.

Anger, maybe, would be good for an artist who has become too happy with his life and can’t paint good stuff anymore. He’ll sniff some pheromones and make masterpieces for further generations to watch in awe… well, probably not so much watching in awe, but rather having to stare at them in boring art classes and learning about the poor pheromone users childhood and influences.

There could actually be other themes in the vein of Instant Gentleman and Instant Jerk, like bohemic artist or angry neo-nazzi.

I can see the possibilities already. In school a kid is grabbed by two other kids and sprayed all over the body with some stuff, clothes and everything, so it’s not easy to get rid of the smell. Then, for the rest of the day, everyone who passes the kid feels an urge to kick him in the groin, stuff him in a closet or beat him up. The kid saves up money and buys pheromones himself and has is revenge in the same vein, spraying over the bully’s table, so that everyone wants to performe random acts of violence on it or sprays him over making him really nervous or forgetful, uses the spray Instant Drug Addict, Social Reject, Instant Depression or something.

You go around all day with everyone telling you what to do and you feeling it natural to fill these requests and finally find out another kid has sprayed you with Instant Slave.

This would all go against the law, probably, but it could always be explained that it was not meant to be used on others. Instant Slave would probably be made for people with the specific fetish, a big powerful respectable guy with aura of alfa-male hovering all around him and just wanting to be wipped by a woman, but no dominatrix feeling comfortable letting him lick her boots and putting him on a leash like a dog, the big and respectable alfa-male that he is.

Um, this just doesn’t make sense anymore so I’ll stop writing it and just post it, before it goes to Instant Michael Myers or Instant Extra-terrestial, because I do believe there to be some, well some, somewhat interesting ideas buried in the text here somewhere, that would just be lost in the nonsense.

evil pheromones?
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that was pretty dark.

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yup. quite an imagination you have …

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That’s hillarious! Anybody know of any pheromones that promote such things (excluding -none)? Just curious. I don’t want to have people kicked in the groind, or be my slave. lol

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Sorry! I was quite optimistic about it though. Um, guess this doesn’t help it, my imagination is still sick. Though I think it wasn’t dark.

I don’t think of actually doing such pranks on others as making them depressed for fun, a lot of that going around without my interferrence and I’m not that sick. I was just considering the options.

If there is a positive spectrum, there has to be a negative one as well. It seems logical to me that it’ll come to that one day. Schoolboys spraying each-other with the most imaginative things they could find. In my time it used to be women’s perfume so a boy would smell like flower, I guess with options like that, the torture would be, um, more colorful.

Though torture would be there with or without imaginative pheromones, untill people finally figure it out what’s to blame and flush the whole educational system. Many people would be happy that day, I tell you.

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So that would be a “Dark Chocolate Cult?” Yum! Count me in!

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I’m not sure about this - presumably the natural origin of pheromones is that they are evolutionarily advantageous in terms of social interactions, so it seems unlikely that people would have evolved to be able to be dramatically adversely affected by pheromones unless there was a specific advantage to being so. The ‘bad’ OD effect appears to arise from a too-much-of-a-good-thing effect where people give the wearer too much respect / distance.

Of course I’m just guessing and could be completely wrong :slight_smile:

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Well, I’ve gotten a little different perspective on this whole pheromone deal. Most likely I am giving them too much credit. If pheromones are just sexual, then I’m on the wrong track, but with pheromones that make you or others feel good or more communicative, even more honest, I tend to feel that the idea, at least here, is that pheromones are a big part of the subconcious interaction between people. I have for a long time before knowing about pheromones known about the huge part the subconcious communication plays in the way people interact. Maybe I’ve gone a little too far with giving such great props to pheromones and neglected other factors, like tone of voice, and well, other audio-visual information taken in subconciously, but I do think pheromones have a big part in it.

I personally think pheromones are largely responsible for a thing that is usually called atmosphere. Emotions are the control mechanism of people - you feel a way about something and you act accordingly. Pheromones seem to be how emotions are communicated through paople. A bigger web of emotions.

Mass hysteria would be a nice example. Someone feels very very shocked and afraid, sends out signals to other people about it and they send them forward, logic thought is gone and everyone is panicing and thus emotions are shared. How everyone reacts to emotions may be different, but everyone knows something awful is happening.

Anyway, I do think pheromones are a big part of subconcious communication between people, how emotions are shared. I don’t see how it would only send signals that are “positive” to the wearer. Of course the term “positive” is very very subjective. What signals are positive in one situation, are negative in the other. That doesn’t actually matter, because it’s not choosing what information is good for the wearer to be sent and what isn’t, it’s just sending it.

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not that im taking your example literally, but i doubt any major variety will be made for a long time. theres still no scientific proof that the human VNO (the organ that sences pheromones) is functional in humans, and until then dont count on much in the way of research and development. even once/if its functionality is proven, developing such pheromones most likely wouldnt be real high on anyones agendas, and im sure those would be tested on animals before humans. sorry to sound like a damper.

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An excellent post, thanks! Research into unconscious cognitive processes shows that we make many decisions without a conscious thought, and that it’s not until we begin to execute the action (time=0) that our consciousness gets into the act (time= +45 to +200 msec.)

Pre-conscious: an unconscious signal of dehydration in water balance
Pre-conscious: hand begins moving toward glass and k. sink to get a drink of water
Conscious: “I’m thirsty and I’ll get a glass of water”
Conscious: “No, I think I want iced tea from the refrigerator instead”

We tend to give all credit to the “dialog” portion of the play that comes from consciousness, and none at all to the “acting” (or to the “stage crew”) that is unspoken and comes from the unconscious.

A coincidence that Freud called it the “ego”? – it’s easy to slip into the belief that “I am what I think (consciously.)”

I would say: “Pheros, in some sense, ARE atmosphere. They’re also ‘the chemistry’ between two people.”

And I so strongly agree that pheros are key elements in communication; I’m still trying to learn the vocabulary, and syntax, and grammar …

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I think of pheromones as another form of non-verbal communication, and probably developed primarily for “social” communication. We “smelled” each other long before we spoke to each other with any form of “standardized” verbal languages.

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Yeah, :slight_smile:, I don’t really see anyone developing products like those in any near future. Well, ofcourse, maybe military. Your own soldiers would be sniffing something to make them confident, agressive, violent, but enemy troops should be bombed with cans of depressants or some other demoralisers, make them feel inferior and then attack. Some large dosages of pheromones to be made during the next great war. Though, probably they’ll be more focusing on the whole genetic research front, because genetically researched and produced super soldiers are currently mostly stuck behind the wall of law. In a seriously threatening war, those walls would be gone though and a great amount of genetic freaks would be made.

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even for military purposes, pheromones affect people differently. you might give 2 soldiers, identical in every physical regard, the same dosage and get one soldier affected while the other either didnt get enough or is ODing because of differing biochemistry. besides, drugs would work better for stimulating your own side (who wouldnt be afraid of an army of cracked-up people with automatic guns??). some kind of inhalible depressent would be interesting though, for instances where you cant just carpet bomb, although the americans use of '80s rock in iraq was way cooler.

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Yeah, what I said didn’t make much sense anyway.

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You mentioning the military and genetic research, led me to an entertaining thought lol. Once/if the VNO is found to be functional and/or there is found a way by airborne reactant to activate the VNO or enhance is sensitivity, the military could genetically design soldiers with the ability to produce large amounts of pheremones on command. Imagine a platoon of marines sneaking up on a group of enemies, and all of a sudden kicking on the pheros lol. Find a phero that has the effect of kicking in feminine tendencies toward everyone except the soldiers lol along with some Ultra strength Instant shine. Have the enemy want to kill you, but at the same time, for some reason, he just can’t bring himself to do it lol. Bin Laden’s on the phone “Kill Him!!!,” and here stands the enemy..crying..“Why are you screaming!?” Lmao. Okay enough babbling, just had to get that one out of my head.

-Robert a.k.a. Lance

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Well some of the putatives could have some similar effects.. P96 for instance… I’m thinking.. needs more testing!

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What effects have you noticed using P96? :confused:

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I’m not certain but lets say I think it feels a bit less dominant than other pheromones…
again I haven’t used large doses…

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I was thinking about buying some of this because I’ve read about an anxiety lessening effect. That could come in handy as I have some sort of social anxiety from time to time, and a damn heavy version of stagefright - playing piano is more a game of hitting the right keys by chance in this stage… :frowning: Unfortunately it’s out of stock…