new bottle of EOW , it has almost no smell at all!!

[diane999]

@Sillykitty

Does the W-9 have to be treated with artisan’s alcohol? I actually found some of that (Pherone) for a pretty good price, though it will be the first time I’ve purchased/used copulins. There is also another product, V-5, that is also priced reasonably. Does anyone have experience/knowledge of either of these, by any chance?

Without adding DPG or hexylene glycol W-9 has no smell and is not effective.

Diane

[Sharon333]

@diane999

The molecule that the makers of EOW used to use to make the very volatile fatty acids sticky was problematic. It is toxic. If you read the list of ingredients, I bet this one: Benzenethiol - is no longer listed.

Without a sticky matrix, the molecules are so volatile they just disapear with the alcohol when it evaporates.

You can try adding DPG to your EoW, or you can dilute it 50:50 with Artisan’s Alcohol that contains Hexylene Glycol. That will make it more sticky… sticky enough that you can smell it… and sticky enough to make it last long enough to be more effective.

I had the same problem with W-9. I used Artisan’s Alcohol plus DPG and recovered a smell… nothing like the butt cheese from EOW, it actually smelled pretty realistic, if a bit mild. I use it and it seems fine.

Diane

You are so right about the evaporation!

You can smell the light scent of apple peel, you can even say a light hint of grape, but as soon as I put a few drops on ( 5 ) it evaporates and any scent that it did have is gone!

Thank You! for that Tip!

[Sillykitty]

What is DPG?

[Sharon333]

@Sillykitty

What is DPG?

Dipropylene Glyco: DPG

They use this in making essential oils for use on your skin and also for body sprays and perfumes, it doesn’t cost much ether, just look online just about anywhere you can make and buy essential oils.

This is what I’m trying first with some of my EOW to see if it works!

[tisha23]

Dipropylene Glycol Its a type of alcohol that is colorless and odorless that is used frequently by perfumers and in cosmetics.

I get mine here…

http://www.brambleberry.com/default.aspx

I have never tried Dianes method because I still have some of the old smelly bottles to work with but its worth a shot.

I have used both W-9 and V-5 and while they are not top of the line they do work mildly. I wouldnt dilute those because they are already siluted but I would the EOW since its pure cops

Tisha

[Sharon333]

What would you recommend…

How many drops of each ( DPG to EOW ) would you use to make a small sample mix?

[tisha23]

I would start myself with 1/4 DPG to 3/4 EOW but I think Diane may go 50/50. I havnt had to do it so its hard to say. Diane will be in later I am sure and she can tell you how she did hers. Drops wise this would be a 1 to 3 ratio for when your making a small sample

In the mean time this is how she did her W-9

Copulins - A second look at W-9

Hi Ladies, If anyone has read my recent post about how disappointed I was with W-9 cops formula, I have a nice surprise. Initially I thought (and still do) this was an ineffective product. There was too little scent and what was there disappeared as soon as the product dried. On the plus side while it was still wet it smelled more natural and womanly than EOW ever did. So the problem seemed to be either there was too little cops or what was there was too volatile to stick around. I have ar…

Tisha

[diane999]

@tisha23

I would start myself with 1/4 DPG to 3/4 EOW but I think Diane may go 50/50. I havnt had to do it so its hard to say. Diane will be in later I am sure and she can tell you how she did hers. Drops wise this would be a 1 to 3 ratio for when your making a small sample

In the mean time this is how she did her W-9

Copulins - A second look at W-9

Tisha

I go 50:50 with the Artisan’s Alcohol… and less with DPG. DPG is oily, so a little goes a long way. It makes your skin feel really smooth, though. Tisha’s idea of 25% DPG is good. I’ve used 10-20% DPG added to the mix after diluting 50:50 with Artisan’s Alcohol. That seems to work pretty well.

Diane

[AshesBlue]

Ok, I just got my EoW today!
I could almost smell it through the envelope, not super strong but something.
Then a little more once I got it out of the bag.
To me what it smells like is a very strong smell of very sour apples mingled w/a “butt cheese” smell. It’s not as scary as I imagined.
Then again I have a bf who loves grossing me out w/his flatulence as much as possible.

The sour apple is the stronger of the two, as that sour fruit smell hits me first, but the BC is mixed in right along in there.
Im not sure what I was expecting but I think once it has a chance to settle on the skin and then w/a bit of coverup it should be fine.

My bf has always claimed he’s very sensitive to smell, so I was/am nervous about that lol.

So, Ill be trying it w/the TUTH this weekend and then probably another time w/EoW on it’s own.

[Xiphoid]

YAY!!! So the excitement begins Keep us posted… we want details

[Sillykitty]

Thanks, Tisha and Diane!

I just placed an order with Androtics, and asked whether they carried DPG and the artisan’s alcohol, and they did (though I was told not many people ask for it, and they called it perfumer’s alcohol, not artisan’s). So I purchased a small amount of each, in preparation for my W-9.

[AshesBlue]

@diane999

The molecule that the makers of EOW used to use to make the very volatile fatty acids sticky was problematic. It is toxic. If you read the list of ingredients, I bet this one: Benzenethiol - is no longer listed.

Without a sticky matrix, the molecules are so volatile they just disapear with the alcohol when it evaporates.

You can try adding DPG to your EoW, or you can dilute it 50:50 with Artisan’s Alcohol that contains Hexylene Glycol. That will make it more sticky… sticky enough that you can smell it… and sticky enough to make it last long enough to be more effective.

I had the same problem with W-9. I used Artisan’s Alcohol plus DPG and recovered a smell… nothing like the butt cheese from EOW, it actually smelled pretty realistic, if a bit mild. I use it and it seems fine.

Diane

On my bottle Benzenethiol is the last ingredient listed (the weakest of course but it’s still there).

[diane999]

@Sillykitty

Thanks, Tisha and Diane!

I just placed an order with Androtics, and asked whether they carried DPG and the artisan’s alcohol, and they did (though I was told not many people ask for it, and they called it perfumer’s alcohol, not artisan’s). So I purchased a small amount of each, in preparation for my W-9.

Perfumer’s alcohol is not the same as Artisan’s Alcohol. Perfumer’s alcohol does not contain hexylene glycol. You can purchase Artisan’s Alcohol from Snowdrift Farms (www.snowdriftfarms.com).

Diane

[Sillykitty]

Eek, I wonder if its too late to cancel it!!!

[diane999]

@AshesBlue

On my bottle Benzenethiol is the last ingredient listed (the weakest of course but it’s still there).

Very interesting… and still no smell, eh? I’m trying to go back and see what made me think this was used as a sticky matrix… can’t find it. Here’s what I find:

Benzenethiol is ranked as one of the most hazardous chemicals (worst 10%) as a hazard to ecosystems and human health. It is listed on four Federal Regulatory Hazardous Chemical lists.

Thiophenol is a compound of aromatic thiol which is structurally analogous to phenol; hydroxyl group (-OH) bonded to the aromatic ring is replaced by a sulfhydryl group (-SH). This structure means that the oxygen atom hydroxyl group is replaced by a sulfur atom. Thiophenol is also called phenyl mercaptan. Thiophenol is a*** toxic, flammable clear liquid with a strong and disagreeable odor***; boiling at 168 C. It is insoluble in water but soluble in alcohol and ether. Many chemical reactions of thiophenols are analogous to phenols. The substantial difference between sulfur and oxygen is that sulfur much more readily gets oxidized to higher oxidation states than oxygen. Sulfur in organic compounds is fairly stable in several oxidation states. Thiophenols can form thiophenolate anions by losing sulfhydryl H+ ions; used as reagents for the simple chemical preparation. The ring closure reaction of o-amino thiophenol produces benzothiazole, an important industrial product. Thiophenol itself is used as an antinematodal agent. Thiophenol class compounds have the skeleton of thiophenol. - THIOPHENOL (PHENYLMERCAPTAN)

In industry it is used in micro and nano circuitry to cap off the tops via polymerization. It is also used in some polymerization processes of some ionic metals. It is used in the chemical recycling of rubber. It is used to polymerize styrene. It is used as a mosquito larvicide. It is added to jet fuel to retard the formation of peroxide. It is used as a corrosion inhibitor.

It is EPA Designated Acute Hazardous Waste, RCA Waste Number PO14; DOT Label Poison, UN2337.

Below is from, A Comprehensive Guide to the Hazardous Properties of Chemical Substances, 3rd Edition by Pradyot Pratnaik, Ph.D.

Animal toxicity data show thiophenol (Benzenethiol) to be highly toxic; the oral LD50 value in test animals is <100 mg/kg. Its irritant action on rabbits’ eyes and skin is severe. Thiophenol can enter by ingestion, by absorption of the liquid through the skin, and inhalation of vapors. In humans the toxic symptoms include restlessness, incoordination, muscle weakness, headache, dizziness, cyanosis, lethargy, sedation, respiratory depression, and coma. Death may result from high doses. Repeated exposure to thiophenol vapors caused damage to the lung, liver, and kidneys in mice. Thiophenol exposure did not adversely affect the growth, viability, or morphological development of the offspring at a dose of 40 mc/kg/day in rabbits. (NTP 20045.)

LD50 value, inhalation (mice): 28 ppm/4 hours
LD50 value, oral (rats): 46 mg/kg
LD50 value, skin (rats): 300 mg/kg

I guess it was just thrown in there because of its smell. Or maybe to retard the corrosion of the rubber cap? Damn!

Diane

[AshesBlue]

@diane999

Very interesting… and still no smell, eh? I’m trying to go back and see what made me think this was used as a sticky matrix… can’t find it. Here’s what I find:

Benzenethiol is ranked as one of the most hazardous chemicals (worst 10%) as a hazard to ecosystems and human health. It is listed on four Federal Regulatory Hazardous Chemical lists.

Diane

Mine does have smell, very strong smell. So whats up w/that? Something wrong w/Sharon’s batch or what?
I knew even before I opened the bottle that it wasnt going to be a “no scent” bottle.
I posted about this a few posts ago. :o

It’s odd that they would use such a toxic chemical for their cop’s.
I need to read the stuff you quoted lol.
I have lots of questions going through my mind.

[diane999]

What I really don’t understand is why on earth don’t they just use the components found naturally in NATURAL copulins? Why do they need to add substances like Indole and benzenethiol to give it a foul smell?

It is almost like these chemists have never smelled a clean pussy… argh!! Okay, ranting over.

But, if they’d just stick to formulating with the real ingredients there wouldn’t be all these problems. It’s like trying to bake a cake with ingredients found… in the garage… just deplorable.

Hopefully, Androtics’ team will do better.

Diane

[Sillykitty]

Or maybe its like margarine vs. butter…

[CookieGirl]

@diane999

It’s like trying to bake a cake with ingredients found… in the garage… just deplorable.

Diane

@Sillykitty

Or maybe its like margarine vs. butter…

Bwahah, thanks for the laughs ~ I love food analogies. I have to join in.

Maybe because if they use the real thing, like vanilla extract from Tahiti, the price will be off the roof

[diane999]

@CookieGirl

Bwahah, thanks for the laughs ~ I love food analogies. I have to join in.

Maybe because if they use the real thing, like vanilla extract from Tahiti, the price will be off the roof

Nah… when you consider that the fatty acids found in copulins are mostly acidic by-products of anaerobic metabolism of different types of lactose-fermenting microorganisms… really, really easy to manufacture… in large quanities… for pennies. There is no need to synthesize these artificially. The fatty acids are also really easy to extract because they are so acidic. And (unless you are planning on doing gas liquid chromatography) all you really need to use is ethanol (grain alcohol). With ethanol alone you can extract about 73% of the total fatty acids. You can get fancy and use other steps and get almost 100% extraction, but really, who cares?

The only thing that might be expensive are the musk components, which I think are a combination of progesterone and testosterone… also easily obtainable and not very expensive.

I’d like to learn what the real story is, though.

Chit! I’m tempted to make my own.

Diane