How do you break the ‘Nice Guy’ stereotype without coming across as a douche?
Some type of subtle transition I’m thinking, just wouldn’t know where to start!
On a forum-related topic, I’m halfway through my Togo bottle of Instant Shine. Will post review once finished 
P.S - Happy New Year everyone
Which direction do you want to go? Note that you cannot change yourself. If you are for example a very helpful person, the pheromones won’t change that fact at all. It does however change a bit how others perceive you. I have at least one putative that gives me some sort of Dothraki-like feeling when I OD, and trust me, I wished I could legally punch someone. Problem however is that because of that feeling I begin to feel bad and just hated it.
If you want to give out a more seductive vibe, I would recommend Ammo. For a more mature appearance, A314 is more suitable. Also mixing the smells a bit gives a good help. Instant Jerk in low quantities maybe help you get that aggro manly vibe.
Hey! Thanks for the post
The ‘Nice Guy’ perception in this case is the guy who’s kindness is taken for granted and underappreciated. I don’t want to stop being kind and attentive, but I want people to see me as someone who is kind, yet is their own person & is not a pushover.
I was talking more from the non-pheromonal area, but I can see how a product that gives off a more masculine vibe can help towards changing how you are perceived.. With the help of your actions more than anything of course!
Pfew… No more mister Nice Guy, but then from a more psychological standpoint. Going to be a LONG night here, but if you need some advice I am always willing to help people out 
i have walked that road you are talking about, and trust me, you need a big push to help you with it.
I am going to assume that you are the holy jesus himself, the most religious guy in the world, Mormon or anyone who has never been outside his own community. Don’t have to correct me, but that’s what I am working from. So say that you are that person that cannot lie, that has so much trust in his neighbors that he will keep the door unlocked at night and does think he will never get shot, robbed or anything will ever happen to him. Goes to church every sunday, puts a lot of money in the donation jar and even helps a poor granny to walk over a very busy street. That is what I call “mr Nice Guy”.
Now, you want to change that person into a person who can say no, is a bit bossy, uses his elbows to cheat his way to the top, curses at the government for doing nothing, never goes to church unless he is taking pictures, wants to gamble in Las Vegas, if necessary will drive someone over, and starts shouting when he does not receive a Mc. Donalds menu in the next minute.
To get from A to B, you are going to do a lot of things. First of all, start to say no or make an excuse why you cannot do it. I know, it sounds really awful, but try to cheat your way out of things. People will keep asking you stuff and you have to set priorities. Start taking back control over yourself. If they dictate your life, nothing will ever happen.
Read the news, and especially the politics. Study them, learn from the masters. What do they do to cheat their way into the top? What makes them earn twice your yearly salary in a month time? How can they get to the top? Learn to curse them, form your own opinion about stuff instead of blindly following them. In the Netherlands, they had over 25 different political parties during the election! Politics is not Red or Blue (or a team deathmatch), politics is making laws that will affect you as a citizen while making them rich. Form your own opinion and see what your “parties” think of it. Trust me, you will stop voting for that party that your whole family was voting for 
Play games like Postal. See how long you can survive without grabbing a gun and shooting at people. Yes, it is possible to do so, but it is agonizing slow and shows you how far you come when you are nice to people. Yes, you can be nice to people, but look at the bigger picture. Are they actually honest to you? Why do they want your attention? Are they doing that for their own personal gain, or are they doing it because they genuinely like you?
Look closely at the stuff you are currently doing for other people. Is it really worth your time? Does it give you any gain, not only financially but also mentally? If its sucking all your free time but its not rewarding or anything like that, why are you still doing it? Most likely they push that stuff to you because you don’t complain or say no.
Look in the mirror, and tell yourself how fabulous you look, how handsome you are and that you are the man of the house. Think about who you are, what you can do and why you are born. That person staring in the mirror is the one that must get all the attention, not the others. Stop bothering other people if you feel they don’t need you. I lost a couple of friends who never called me anyway, and I did not feel any different about it. It did not make me feel sad. They did not care about me anyway.
And lastly, get the anger out, one way or another. When I go karting, I want to be the guy at the top. And all those guys bumping me or trying to overtake me, I will just bump them back to where they belong: Behind my ass. During laser gaming, I am the guy that is telling those kids to run, to get them hyped up and to push them to their limits. Trust me, after 2 sessions with those kids you are gasping for air while they are demanding another game.
When you are at a coffee store or anything where they serve your food slowly, start asking politely but a bit aggressively how long it will take. Don’t wait, ask. In the Netherlands, staff is generally less polite than in America where they live on tips. We give our waiters a fixed income, tips are generally something you only give if you really love the service. If you don’t push them in that feeling that YOU are a client that is paying THEIR income, then they will see you as another ghost at the table.
I was also being mr. nice guy when I was very young. Even got diagnosed with mild autism. Its thanks to my family and my close friends that I actually found out how to deal with this. I still like to help out people, but I also found out that if I let the wrong people dictate my life, I would actually get depressed. First learned that fact with my ex girlfriend, she still is trying to contact me but I moved on…
If you like some more advice, or like to talk to me in person and learn a bit about how to become less of a “mister nice guy”, I am always happy if people visit me sometimes. Makes me less lonely and I get to see a face with the nickname
Wow, great post man!
I see what you’re saying. A little selfishness, self-pride, intolerance, the confidence to express YOUR opinions, and act how YOU want to act is the way forward. Being a pushover who tolerates everything, doesn’t speak up when they are displeased and does things for others on demand is just going to put you deep into a place where people take you for granted.
Yeah, its like buying “fair trade” chocolate because it gives farmers a “good price”. Someone actually tried to find out where that chocolate came from, and he came back empty handed. People (even nestl?) could not guarantee him that the fair trade chocolate he was eating was in fact really giving farmers a “fair trade”. Same goes for “halal” chicken. Put a sticker on the package and your chicken is suddenly 30 cents more expensive, while it came from the same factory, the same factory floor and maybe even the same chicken. Onliest difference is that sticker, because the slaughterhouse is also selling to Dubai and middle-eastern countries and therefore trained everyone to slaughter halal.
I would mostly say to think about things rather than taking them for granted. Question everything that may sound too good to be true. I am writing a book about my experiences in life and give some advice about dating and I think I will also put this one in there. Its a great example of why you should not be totally obedient, but have confidence in yourself and to rethink what YOU feel is important.
You don’t need to change something good. The “nice guy” perception is something that is not being seen to all men. What you should do is to develop other characteristics that might result to what you adhere.
What you are now is primarily due to what you’ve been doing, where you’ve been going around, and who you’ve been mingling with these past years. The routine defines you. Which is a “nice guy”, and that’s good.
Thus, you simply need to add some routines to spice up your life. Don’t change. Just add glitters. Do I need to elaborate?
A visit to clubs at night with friends will do the trick. Making yourself visible to places where you are not recently seen, and being adventurous enough to experience the highs, while consciously maintaining the nice guy image by ensuring no legal concerns were broken.
Reading materials you think others dig. Watching movies others like. It will help you participate in much more convos than you’ve been with in the past.
On the long run, you will realize that in order to “change” yourself, you need to go with the flow. Because ultimately you are simply pleasing them in return of their acceptance. Which is not bad at all. As long as you don’t dump the goodness inherent to you. Because at the end of the day, that identity you think as “stereotype” will define you.
Don’t change brother. Add glitters. Add mones.
Happy New Year!
Don’t stop being a nice guy! I love nice guys, they can be so hard to find! Just learn how to take care of your own needs first, and don’t take the consequences of other people’s choices. You can say “no” to people without being mean. You can politely decline things, and stick to your decision. It’s mostly about standing by your own decisions.
Don’t load yourself up with things that other people want from you. Step back and let yourself be you. You don’t always have to come up with a convincing reason in order to say “no” to somebody, it is perfectly acceptable if you’re just not up for it, not interested, or you don’t feel comfortable about it.
Argh the forum was killing me yesterday… Constantly asking me to log-in again when I switch to another page… or try to post something.
I agree this ‘problem’ can be solved by simply making some changes in your attitude… But I also gave the OP some mone-related advice here yesterday, because this is a pheromone forum after all…
Pick up some P75 at 2,5 mcg to deal with your nice guy problems! It gives you the confidence and forwardness to say no… Instant Balls. Anti-doormat juice. And possibly the beste value for money product Androtics sells…
Good luck.
I’m not an expert in mones but I have study a lot: NLP, hypnosis, meditation, subliminal, herb remedy, astrology etc in short a lot of stuff and after reading this thread I almost puke about the advice said here.
It’s not that hard to change when you have the right tool. One thing to remember is that resolving problem at conscious level is the slowest path to go (what people usually do).
For example you can’t look women in the eyes because when you were 12 a girl rejected you. Working at conscious level would be to try to stare at woman till you can make it (fake it till you make it).
Working at unconscious level would be for example to use hypnosis to go in trance and then change the memory about this girl rejecting you. It would 10 times easier and faster.
Hypnosis is just one tool to do that, there are plenty of variation from hypnosis, hundred of product: some better than others.
Mones to me seems to work at unconscious level, from what I have seen until now the girls I affected with mones didn’t know why they where acting that way.
A lot of people seems to use meditation to work at unconscious level, I didn’t had any noticeable result from meditation, too hard to practice I guess.
The more common product I use that got me some great result are from Igor Ledochowski “the power of self hypnosis”. In 7 days I learn to get more happy, confident, I learn to sleep much more easily, now I sleep in 10 min most of the time.
Though I didn’t practice much of it because I was using subliminal.
But the best and easiest tool I have ever user until now is from the Subliminal Shop. You just listen to background music ( a special music) every night for 32 days and you got some awesome result. I used it for 1 year until now and the result are amazing. I got from nice guy to near alpha guy with great body language with just listening to this. I’m still improving to this day. For more info check their forum.
Subliminal Shop Forums
I had a look at the site, but the Alpha product cost $500! That’s FAAAAAR too much than Im willing to spend. Ya’ know, I think you can send audio files through email for free…
By all means puke. I think seekers and herepero’s advices are solid.
If somebody aged 23 has “studied” Nlp, subliminial, astrology and all kinds of other pseudo-science, I’d think twice of heeding those advices.
But each to his own of course.
They have the free product for you to test:
Free Instant Downloads! - Subliminal Shop
It’s like putative or combining everything mones together it’s tempting to use the more powerful Alpha Male V6 but you should start at the beginning which is Absolute Self Confidence. It’s actually a very powerful product that is at least worth 99$ but he gives it for free so you are convince his product works. You can actually improve yourself a lot only by using his free product.
Test it and see if it does something. You should feel that your brain has worked all night, the newbies feel some kind of headache for ~30min after waking up. Don’t worry if you feel already confident enough there is still room for improvement. I though I didn’t need more confidence so I jump in Alpha male first but I was wrong.
Read some journal on their forum you will understand more about it. I would even say it’s recommended to read some journal first so you know some specific stuff about the way you will feel. It would be best to not know anything to avoid placebo effect but it’s more complicated than that.
Listen to Absolute self confidence for at least 8 hours each night on stereo audio for 32 days. You should begin to feel more confident after 7 days, some even feel it 2 days after.
Read the instruction first:
General 5G Program Instructions - Subliminal Shop
Just as a short testimonial it’s hard for me to tell if girls are interested in me because of the phero or it’s the subliminal who has changed me.
Today I went shopping mones free and I saw a lot of girls watching me like some meat.
I’m interested in discussing this more. But, private message me. I don’t want to promote someone elses products on this forum, and its better to discuss through PM anyway. /thread
register on their forum it would more simple, My pseudo is maniac360 over there