experienced something pretty strange today, went to a club meeting with heavy IH (2x at 10 sprays) and p74, TAC and absolutely no -nones mix. meeting went ok, 2 members felt compelled to share their tragic childhood experiences, ok IH working its magic. but afterwards we went to the school’s caferteria to grab a bite and things got bad for me. i had some homework due in a couple of hrs so i worked on it while the other members sat around the table and talked among themselves. when i was done, i put away my stuff and was ready to join in on the conversation. but they all acted like they didn’t really wanna talk or pay attention to me. i tried to put on my most friendly face and make comments to contribute to the conversation but it just died. about 5 mins after i put away my homework they all got up and left.
it felt like a distinct -none OD repelling reaction. but i didn’t have any none products on. i need to note that i didn’t have time to take a shower today. but i didn’t wear any none yesterday either, just the same combo with lots of IH, p74 and TAC. could all those -nols have converted to none today and caused an OD? (the weather was cool and i didn’t sweat much tho)
or was it my anti-congruent behavior of doing the homework and not participating in the conversation that threw them off. so much IH contrasted with being absorbed in my hw produced the impression that im standoffish?
i used this same mix couple of days earlier and got great results in my class, center of attention, lots of touching from female classmates to my left and right, everyone lol at my jokes.
I’ve had that happen without any mones… But then, you were ignoring them first while doing homework, aptly demonstrating you prioritize them below the most mundane homework.
In a male dominant environment, IH does that to you. I have had the same experience with 8x IH. I find that it is usually the beta males that try to run all over you when you have high doses of IH while the alpha males and females become very protective of you. Adding some a314 usually seems to cancel out that effect.
so in everyone’s opinon, the -nol to -none conversion is very likely NOT the cause of the repelling reactions then?
it was my incongruent behavior? was it rude of me to do the homework at the table? should i have removed myself and finished the hw at another table and then come back to join the conversation?
i wouldn’t hold it against someone if they wanted to do their hw…idk..somehow it didn’t seem like a big enough deal to diss on someone.
maybe im just over sensitive but it really did feel like i OD’d on SOMETHING, they were acting like i was this ass who was unwelcomed at the table.
I have never experienced such a thing hapenning with IO or spaceland. I suspect it is the b-nol that causes this effect but i am not sure because i have never used pure b-nol.
I have no idea as to why this happens. Ill probably have to experiment more to pinpoint the exact cause but i am quite hesitant to try it again as the effects have been quite undesirable.
i found another thread from steveo talking about megadosing on Instant Honesty and got serious ghosting effect in starbucks.
it sounds kinda similar to what i experienced. which i’ll take as good news cuz i really don’t believe i commited any serious faux pas that warranted that kind of repelling behavior…my spirits were crushed that day, i thought there was something really wrong with me.
good find there
i thought that i was the only one that experienced negative effects of IH od as everyone says that you cant really od on -nols
i found that on oding, i could not hold conversations for longer than a couple of seconds. it was as if my brain froze right in the middle of conversation. its not something that i would try again anytime soon.
Also after an hour or so, my speech had become incoherent and people were asking me if i was drunk (i wasnt!)
Forgot to add : it wasnt all negative. a 50 year old lady tried to chat me up. at that time, i was so relieved that atleast someone noticed me. however, i couldnt add to much to the conversation as my brain was pretty frozen so i used my foreign country tactic - smile and nod !!
I wouldn’t discount the cover scent factor, afterall you were wearing 10 sprays of IH2x plus others. Same thing in Steveo’s case too (3 sprays Spaceland + 6 sprays IH). I am guessing ofcourse, but it’s probable.
if you mean, the owerpowering scent of neroli then i dont think that was what caused these reactions as i hardly smelled of anything and i usually can smell my scents the strongest
that would probably be the reason.
i remember that in one of my beginner days, i had gone out with 1x ammo + 2x Instant Openness + 2x Instant Honesty and i seemed to be ignored most of the night. I got pretty depressed and ended up getting bombed as at that time i thought that pheros would do all the work for me. However, I woke up the next day next to a 28 year old lady. So i would have to say that high doses of IH are good if you are looking to attract women of a higher age group in public places. For the young and nubile, stick to IH for 1-1 situations and that too in lower doses.
I am not absolutely sure but i think i had read some old topics about -nols converting into -none after a length of time. i have also observed that high doses of spaceland applied in the morning tends to make me kinda cranky and mildly depressed towards the evening. i dont know if others feel these effects but i for one am extremely sensitive to pheromones and the self effects dont seem to go away even after continued usage.
i dont usually use any kind of -nols anymore as their effects havent really been too favourable for me. i would take a -none od anyday over a b-Androstenol od
I remember that old post and had to think about it back then. Heck that was long before I came to work for Androtics
Here’s what I was thinking about so many nols at once especially deep ones like Betanols. When someone you are familiar with comes in and you pretty much see them as one way (i.e. nice guy, some flirting, attraction, hmm might be a guy I’d be interested in).
Well next time she sees you you’re wearing massive quantities of Betanols and now she feels like she has this deep, deep connection and could really open up to you. I mean she could tell you right now how she like silly, kinky sex while the neighbors all watch. Very strange feeling and of course being in complete control of her emotions she just clams up instead.
CTTM2 is still awesome for get togethers even tho it’s half beta-nol. u get the best of both worlds, A-nol’s openness and approachability coupled with B-nol’s bonding and connection.
