Oprah talks Phermones 04.03.2009

[nosemolester]

Did you all see the show? It was really good. She had several experts on that talked about all of the things that create attraction.

One thing that was mentioned on the show that struck me strange was that men emmit an odor that repels all women except those that are ovulating? Is this true?

[Sillykitty]

That sounds weird. When I was with my bf, I was not repelled by him at any time of the month.

[tisha23]

No its not true. They are referring to how women find anone more arousing when they are ovulating. This however dosnt mean it repels them when your not ovulating. This has been proven in just this forum countless times with products like AMMO TUTH. Pheromone Technology has a long way to go before we are all on the same page.

[WildFlower]

This has been proven in just this forum countless times with products like AMMO TUTH. Pheromone Technology has a long way to go before we are all on the same page.

I can vouch for Ammo and Turn up the Heat working consistently. However, I have seen similar statements before made about anone repelling woman other than during ovulation. That is what prompted me to make the thread earlier this week about anone and the female cycle.

I think the scientific zeitgeist regarding pheromones is significantly behind that of this forum.

[diane999]

@nosemolester

Did you all see the show? It was really good. She had several experts on that talked about all of the things that create attraction.

One thing that was mentioned on the show that struck me strange was that men emmit an odor that repels all women except those that are ovulating? Is this true?

Yes. It is called Androstenone…

Diane

[tisha23]

think the scientific zeitgeist regarding pheromones is significantly behind that of this forum

I totally agree, men have been wearing anone for ages and while over doing it can repel anytime in the cycle its arouses women to a certain degree through the entire cycle.

Jeez think about natural mones. We dont only feel aroused by our mates during ovulation.

Tisha

[diane999]

@tisha23

I totally agree, men have been wearing anone for ages and while over doing it can repel anytime in the cycle its arouses women to a certain degree through the entire cycle.

Jeez think about natural mones. We dont only feel aroused by our mates during ovulation.

Tisha

True, but our mates shower. Androstenone doesn’t shower off, but the bacteria that transforms Androstadienone into Androstenone do. How attracted would we be if our mates never showered? Probably not much.

Diane

[djandarial]

never shower? eeeewwwwww

How would we wash all those stripper germs???

no thank you, I will keep me 2 - 3 showers a day. I like to feel Crisp.

Given I can smell these products quite well, I was even able to tell if my buddy was wearing ammo or not.

[Bella]

I saw it. The clips were from a show on the Discovery Channel…Science of Sex Appeal.

Nice to know we’re way ahead of the curve on this one. Yeay us!

More clips from this series, check it out.

Science of Sex Appeal Videos : Attraction : Discovery Channel

Bella

[Hazard]

On a different show called “MANswers” they did something on attraction of women… they said Androstenone can help “turn on” a women but doesn’t create “attraction” - the #1 answer for what attracted women was when the woman thought the man had just been with another women. They didn’t mention copulins specifically but i would imagine thats what the woman would be picking up.

I don’t know for sure if copulins are in Instant jerk… but i tell you what… i am having INSANE results with instant jerk. i wont go anywhere without it… i really love the stuff.

~Haz~

[mediumpimpin]

thats interesting that the number one thing that attracts women is if the guy had just been with another woman, furthering my love of instant jerk so far my fave. wish i could have tried the legend that is dirty lol.

i think jerk full sized is definitely in me next order and im gonna own this bia haha

[Domnk]

@mediumpimpin

thats interesting that the number one thing that attracts women is if the guy had just been with another woman, furthering my love of instant jerk so far my fave. wish i could have tried the legend that is dirty lol.

i think jerk full sized is definitely in me next order and im gonna own this bia haha

I agree, but both men and women respond very well to IJ, it’s very useful! IJ in a 30ml bottle, for me anyways, seems like a great investment. I’m personally very hesitant to buy dirty… because I don’t want to come off some sex-crazed typical male persona, but that’s just me. Maybe I’m just paranoid; biased due to the title .

[djandarial]

Instant Jerk is Awsome, and I will be buying a full size bottle, I feel it is entirely underrated.

[catlord17]

I think none does repel women who are not ovulating, but I think it repels them in a way that we have tampered with. I believe it repels them by its natural scent, and by causing irritation, which is overcome by the arousal that results when she is ovulating.

By adding a scent that covers the “cat piss” effect, at least partially, we have altered the repellent effects to some degree.

Androstedienone is the same way… only, for those women who don’t like the smell of A1, it is easily covered and has only positive effects once covered, as far as I can tell.

[vic]

@Hazard

the #1 answer for what attracted women was when the woman thought the man had just been with another women. They didn’t mention copulins specifically but i would imagine thats what the woman would be picking up.

I don’t know for sure if copulins are in Instant jerk… but i tell you what… i am having INSANE results with instant jerk. i wont go anywhere without it… i really love the stuff.

that is so true. bumped into my ex once when she saw me with some other girls, 2 mins later she caught up with me to say hello.. so she was following me! she usually doesn’t even wana see me.

Back to topic. I’m looking for some attraction. I stopped using Ammo because I’ve noticed it makes girls feel turned on but very quiet and uncomfortable. Should I try IFM? because I use P74 but it doesn’t seem to do anything. I do use IG and that seems to do P74’s job (I use 20-40mcg).
Or, should I try this Instant Jerk instead for attraction? it seems like the complete opposite of IG though.. what do I do?

[Hazard]

@vic

that is so true. bumped into my ex once when she saw me with some other girls, 2 mins later she caught up with me to say hello.. so she was following me! she usually doesn’t even wana see me.

Back to topic. I’m looking for some attraction. I stopped using Ammo because I’ve noticed it makes girls feel turned on but very quiet and uncomfortable. Should I try IFM? because I use P74 but it doesn’t seem to do anything. I do use IG and that seems to do P74’s job (I use 20-40mcg).
Or, should I try this Instant Jerk instead for attraction? it seems like the complete opposite of IG though.. what do I do?

I don’t know if “instant jerk” is for everyone but you need to act congruent. Now… i don’t mean to act like an asshole LOL…

When i wear it… i wear buffers like a-nol and instant shine. I try and give off the impression that i don’t NEED to meet you… but i’m here if you’d like to meet me. I don’t act like a jerk but i send “playfull jabs” her way… like… i may find a guy who looks like a tool… point to him… and tell her he really looks like her type… then give a grin. My next move is all based on her reaction.

I really hate to keep pushing it LOL or sound like a personal rep for Instant jerk… but i stand by this stuff 100% - it’s worked wayyyyy beyond my expectations.

~Haz~

[denec]

here is that oprah show i guess

The laws of sexual attraction - CNN.com

Physical attraction may be as old as time, but new studies are beginning to uncover the science behind sex appeal. Unexpected factors – like biochemical odors, face shape and voice pitch – just might have more to do with your choice of mate than anyone ever expected. Biostatistics expert Kendra Schmid explains why actress Halle Berry scored very high on facial attractiveness.

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Karl Grammer and Elizabeth Oberzaucher are leading the research on the human scent’s influence on sexual attraction. They’ve found that when women are ovulating, they produce copulins, a scent that attracts men.
The researchers believe when a man gets a whiff of copulins, his testosterone levels rise. As a result, he secretes androstenone, an odor that repels women who aren’t ovulating.
“Bars and nightclubs across the world are the battlefield for this invisible biochemical war,” Oprah Winfrey says.
Sex therapist Dr. Laura Berman says attraction has a lot more to do with science and evolution than people might think.
“We are innately all puppies in heat,” she says. “We are capable of discerning 10,000 different scents consciously. But then there’s a whole realm of unconscious scents that we’re not even aware that we’re smelling.” Oprah.com: Get Dr. Berman’s 5 steps to better sex
These odors let people know when a woman is fertile and when a man’s testosterone levels are high, Berman says. As a result, individuals can tell when someone else is most ripe for reproduction. “It’s all about survival of the species,” she says.
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One common complaint Berman hears among women with relationship problems is that they love their partner, but they’re not in love with him.
“There is a difference between love and chemistry,” Berman says. “Take a really good whiff of him without cologne when he’s relatively clean. If that smell turns you on, that’s a really good cue of chemistry.” Oprah.com: Can the chemistry come later?
In one recent study, Berman says, researchers had women smell men’s T-shirts. The women were most attracted to the shirts of men with a different major histocompatability complex (MHC) from them. MHC is a collection of genes that are related to immune systems.
“We unconsciously want to mate with someone who has a different immune system than ours because that helps with the survival of our offspring,” Berman says.
The T-shirt study also found that women taking hormonal contraception were attracted to men who had similar MHC as they did.
“If you’re on the pill, your body is being tricked into think you’re pregnant, so you’re not ovulating,” Berman says. “The bad news there is that they have looked at these couples who have similar MHC, and not only do they have higher levels of infidelity and higher levels of marital discord, but they also have higher infertility issues.”
Another unexpected factor that has been found to directly affect attraction is voice pitch.
Gordon Gallup, Ph.D., a professor at the State University of New York at Albany, says that women with higher estrogen levels have higher voices, which makes them more desirable to men. “When females are midcycle, when they’re the most fertile, the most likely to conceive, their voices are rated as being significantly more attractive,” he says.
It’s hard to pinpoint what distinguishes a gorgeous face from an average one, but some researchers are getting pretty close. Psychologist Lisa DeBruine, Ph.D., of the University of Aberdeen in Scotland says she’s found that women’s faces get more attractive to men when they are ovulating. “We’re not entirely clear why there’s this difference, but we think that the women might look healthier, have a bit of a healthier glow when they are ovulating.”
Symmetry is another factor that determines a face’s attractiveness. Kendra Schmid, an assistant professor of biostatistics at the University of Nebraska Medical Center, says there is a formula for the “perfect” face. She uses 29 different measurements to determine someone’s appeal on a scale of 1 to 10.
To start, Schmid says the ratio of the length of the face to the width of the face should be 1.6, also known as the golden ratio.“The face should also be divided into three equal pieces vertically,” she says. “The forehead, then [the bottom of the forehead to] the nose and then from the nose to the chin.”
Who’s face is the most “perfect,” according to Schmid’s measurements? No big surprise here! “Brad Pitt’s is the highest that I’ve ever used the [formula] on,” she says. “He was a 9.3 [out of 10].”
Brad’s partner, Angelina Jolie, didn’t fare too badly either. “Angelina was a 7.67, and that’s pretty high,” Schmid says. “Most people rate about 4 to 6. … The thing that is probably lowering her score is the thing that she’s most famous for – her full lips.” Schmid says that ideally the width of a mouth should be twice the height of the lips.
Other celebrities Schmid tested were Halle Berry, who scored a 7.36, and Hugh Jackman, a 6.45. “There’s never been anyone who was a perfect 10,” Schmid says. “If you’re out there, we’re looking for you!”
Not everything that goes into finding a partner is biological. Researchers have also found that if a woman looks at the face of a man whom she knows nothing about, she will give it a rating on a scale of 1 to 10 that’s different than if she is shown the same face and a corresponding income. When a man makes a lot of money, a woman will rate him higher on an attractiveness scale than she would that same man with a smaller income. Oprah.com: What do women really want?
Berman says this isn’t a case of women being gold diggers.
“It goes back again to evolution. When we were having babies who were very dependent on us, we couldn’t hunt and take care of ourselves, so we were looking for the man who had the most social status, who was the best hunter, who was going to bring home the biggest chunk of meat for our babies,” she says. “It’s the same thing today.”
Smell, voice pitch and face symmetry might be unconscious detectors of attractiveness, but if you’re trying to consciously assess the future of a relationship, Berman says there’s one surefire way.
“You really learn a lot from a kiss. … Sixty-six percent of women say they would dump a guy after a bad first kiss,” she says. “It’s not only because you’re getting that good whiff of him so you’re seeing if you like the way he smells. All your senses are engaged, and you get a sense of his sensuality, his connection, whether he’s a take-charge kind of guy or more of a stepping back kind.”
When it comes to relationships, Berman says kissing frequency is a direct indicator of happiness. “It turns out that couples who kiss and cuddle regularly are eight times less likely to be stressed and depressed than couples who don’t get that,” she says. “You have to have a minimum of a 10-second kiss every day.”