P75 has been without a doubt the toughest putative I’ve played with so far. Most difficult is the fact that it gives me a a very negative feeling of aggravation/frustration/agitation even in relatively small 2.5-7.5 mcg doses. This seems to level off and maybe even decrease as the dose rises to 12.5- 15 mcg. I haven’t gone higher . It’s very hard for me to see effects on others separate from the self effect.
There is a repellent effect on people but what makes it hard to quantify is that my own attitude while wearing it is probably more repellent than the pheromone. I don’t think it’s necessarily repellent. Like P79 it’s just not one I can wear by itself very well. I think I might enjoy wearing it only in situations like being at a sports event or concert where I could really direct the “stir crazyness” at an outside force. Might be cool to see if it could create space around yourself at such an event. Of course the danger is that it would not!
If P75 is a twisted rubber band P76 is a stretched one. Effects kick in for me at about 5mcg and I’ve gone as high 30mcg with good effects at 15 or so. Good effects meaning this is highly interactive with others. You smile; they chuckle. It’s good for take aways as oppposed to upselling. If you pull away from someone in a conversation, they will likely pull the other way. Move toward them they move toward you. The reverse is also true. They can pull/attract and they seem to sense that power on some level and use it. If you have a tendency to placate be aware of this. I’ve had several experiences where a customer “complained” about something and seemed “let down” if I gave them a discount. They seem more satisfied if I wryly tell them the sale was last week, too bad they missed it, and then offer the discount.
One other note, several times people have reported enjoying certain pheromones while listening to music. P76 and rhythm heavy styles of music seem to go well together for me. Punk, reggae, funk, oldschool metal and any combination of the above have been finding their way into my cd player while wearing it. Haven’t really played a Traffic, Metallica or Clash cd in years…good jams!
I put these in the same post because some older posts hint that they are related and in the -none family. P79 is bound to figure into this group somehow as well. Looking forward to questions.
Renny, I am curious why you think these putatives are used in many of the consumer products, especially for P76?
I tried SwingerMD’s high dosage of 60 mcg for P76 along with 30 mcg TAK, 1 spray IS, and 3 prays CTTM. I added another dose of P76 later in the day along with 25 mcg of P74. I can’t say I noticed anything clear aside from possibly a little more respect and ‘heaviness’. If anything, it feels like a component of A314 with a slightly friendly vibe to me at this early stage (it can’t be a key component of A314 though - see MHarris’ quote below). I do feel P76 needs to be covered as there is definitely some kind of strong smell to it.
I did feel a bit tense later today but I thought it was the P74 - that one seems to make me appear cool and relaxed socially while at the same time leading to a ‘wired’ effect.
High dose P76 (60 mcg) definitely doesn’t distance people as much though as substantial amounts of AndrostEnone or P80 do though. Nor did I detect feeling horny in the slightest bit with it on.
I am going to continue testing high doses of P76 with friendly molecules.
60 mcg of P76 + P86 and TAK (the latter two to add ‘calmness’ to any tension-promoting effect from the high dose P76) might be an interesting combo to try…
SwingerMD (July 27, 2006):
“…For p76, I’m thinking that the ideal amount might be somewhere between 30 mcgs and 60 mcgs. At around 60 mcg I kinda get the vibe off people that is very similar to the vibe that I get if I overshot my ideal -none dose, but not enough to start repelling people like the plague. Everyone is tense. Perhaps a bit of LT or perhaps Instant Honesty would loosen people’s tounges to give me more of an idea on what is running through their heads when I have p76 on…”
MHarris (December 27, 2006):
"…I’m willing to make other, very small additions or subtractions. The core effects must remain the same, so no dramatic recommendations, please.
i..e., I’m not going to add P76, P77 or P80 to Classic [A314]…"
Visionary, I kinda feel like P76 might account for part of the “connected” feeling that you can get from IH especially but IO as well. I know the -nols can do this, but there seems to be something P76 can do “in the moment”. I described it as a rubber band. Think about playing with a puppy and a pull toy. As long as you pull one way the puppy will pull the other way for as long as you’ll play the game. If you drop the toy the puppy may try to reconnect but will quickly move on to something else. I am horribly flirt challenged, but I could feel that sort of pull/pull tension in a lot of interactions. Didn’t really make any good opportunities to try it socially, but I will when I get a chance. Like I say for me it seemed best at right around 15mcg. Too much and that feeling started to disappear.
Here’s the thread where I mentioned P78 and the posture/charisma effect I got from it.
If any of the P75-P78 group (and they may or even be a group, I’m just going by some of the old threads) have been added to (or were previously already in)consumer products these two feel the most familiar to my experience. Hope this answers your question.
Thanks for that renny and reps! I do wonder how much MHarris and the others go by feedback outside the forum and their own results when adding stuff to the consumer products. If they went to the data from within the forum for some kind of ‘corroboration’, P76 would not have shown any positive results until your post late last year…
I think I read that IH has a bit of TAF in there in addition to Beta-Androstenol in order to further lower the ‘mental filters’. P76 would be an interesting addition I guess from the way you describe it…
I took the advice to dilute p75 down to the 1mcg per spray level. Did not have the same crushed temple feeling at one or two sprays that I got from heavier applications. Also should note that my original testing was done using plain cologne as a diluent. The new test was done using androtics cologne strength neroli. Seems a bit smoother using the neroli and allowed me to go as high as 5 sprays or 5mcg without ill effect. That shows me like nothing else ever has how important diffusion can be.
Effects on others. It’s a friendlier vibe than I recalled. Get lots of boistrous joking from customers. Reminds me a little of using TUTH and IH together, not as frequent or over the top as that mix is. I called that a sort of weekend hunting camp vibe. P75 is more of a Tuesday coffee break recounting of the hunting camp. Still not getting the kinds of hits others are but it’s not as harsh on me as it was at heavier strength.
. It’s very hard for me to see effects on others separate from the self effect.