P83 at 25mcg: a full Q&A-style summary as my bottle runs out

I know lots has been written on P83 but I thought I may as well add my summary now I’m running out of it - guess it doesn’t hurt to add to the body of experience and may be useful to somebody.

I’m going to do each section of this summary as a Q&A in two parts - a longer, more explained version for those who don’t mind reading and a shorter straight-to-the-point version for those who just want basic info.

What P83 did you buy?
Long version: I got a 5ml of P83 at 25mcg

*Short version: *ditto

25mcg? Why’s that then?
Long version: I read the review that said higher doses are less subtle and at that point I wanted unsubtle. Almost like it’d be pheromonal reassurance that this stuff worked.

In hindsight this may have been a mistake going so high straight off.

Short version: I read the review that said a high dose was unsubtle.

Why might unsubtle be a mistake?
Long version: As said in a recent thread by Wildflower subtlety is important because it is more of a blanket coverage than the few people you hit with unsubtle. For every unsubtle reaction there are many more “no reactions”. Better to have many subtle than a few unsubtle hits, for me anyway.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot. I think every lady I’ve ever had a deep crush on, of the “can’t get her out of my head” variety, that I lose sleep over and just HAVE to try and get with it has been as a result of subtlety in their dealings with me, and my dealings with them. The superfine, superhot ladies who hammer me with attraction instantly occupy my thoughts for a while but less so than the ladies who get under my skin in a more subtle, but more pervasive way. Maybe it’s my age but that animal instinct reaction appeals less to me now than a more indepth reaction. I’m using this realisation to educate all my pheromone wearing now.

Such a high mcg limited my testing to 25mcg, 50mcg and 75mcg. I saw a difference in intensity between 25 and 50, but not between 50 and 75.

Short version: Because unsubtle is short and sharp, a bit like a hammer blow. Subtle can be just as - if not more - effective by being gentler but more long term.

So…P83, what does it do then?
Long version: for me it is the intensifier. This is good and bad, but I’ve learned to only wear it with caution about who I am around, and with caution as to my mindset first. It’s more something I wear once I have worked out a scenario, not in anticipation of a scenario.

If I am in a bad mood it makes my mood worse, if I am anxious or stressed or nervous it makes that worse. The upside of all that is that if I am excited I get more excited, if I am happy I get happier.

I think all my experiences of combining P83 with other pheromones (e.g. A314, IS, IG) have shown this to be true. I’ve had interactions with ladies when say, P83 is combined with A314 that could well be read into as attraction (and may be) but seems steered by whatever I have combined P83 with. For example, A314 and P83 had one female friend treat me like a protector. It was almost like an attraction vibe and if I didn’t know her better would think it may have been but it was non-sexual, of that I’m sure, it was just an amplified A314 reaction. The same goes for combining with other pheromones.

All good, you may think, but as above, use with caution. Meeting someone who is nervous or down about something when you have P83 and IH on makes your work MUCH harder. Similarly if someone is intimidated by your A314 signature P83 is going to make that worse…

…on the other side if they are attracted by your Ammo signature P83 used at a cautious dosage to avoid over-initimidation could ramp that up.

P83 in combos got me my biggest DIHL reactions I think, sometimes, but not always, good!

Short version: for me it intensifies my mood, and that of whoever it affects. So use with caution.

How would you use P83?
*Long and short version: *As a booster once I already know that I’m dealing with. Example scenario: on a date and the combo of you + Ammo is working wonders, a little spritz of P83 midway through the evening (and I wouldn’t go overboard with it) might give a nice boost. From the experiences I’ve had with it I wouldn’t wear it in a combo “straight out”, I’d only add it later. Of course it may be in some MXs and suitably buffered to avoid any of the downside (or in an MX at a better dosage than 25mcg).

If it was a product what would you call it?
Instant Mood Intensifier. And I’d give it a “use with caution” label - I think that’s my biggest emphasis really. When I was raging about something P83 really wasn’t a good idea to wear, neither was it when I was nervous. On the other hand, at other times it was great.

I hope someone finds this useful :slight_smile:

Good report. A number of folks here have indicated that their results with P83 show signs of it being an emotional/mood intensifier of sorts. This has been noted with both self and external effects.

I personally have not experienced this. It seems with my chemistry that it tends to steer more towards the dis-inhibitor side of things.

Thanks for writing this up Stevios. Solid report and I’m sure people will find this to be beneficial to them in their research also.

awesome post. thanks! i’d like to see one as thorough on p86

Thanks guys, I hope to be able to get some P86 when I place my next order (I’m kinda holding out for P86 to be available again) so will try and do similar if I can get some!

Good report.

I agree with reclipse on it though. I see it as a disinhibitor as well. When paired with certain things it seems to really help them act on what your mix is sending out. I have not experienced any effects from it by itself, so I can’t say whether or not it is amplifying current mood in myself or others rather than just playing off your mix.

Also I think it might work to get people to reduce space a bit. Not necessarily as in a sexual way, but more of an magnetic attracted way if that makes sense.

I have also had the space limiting thing - I’ve put this down to the combo I’ve been wearing on each occasion though (normally something with A314 resulting in women totally closing the space around me but as above, not in a way I’ve considered “inappropriate” :wink:). I’ve not had it when flying P83 solo so haven’t reported it as a P83 effect in and of itself.

Likewise disinhibtion, though that is the least of the effects I have witnessed. This may however be because of the people I wore it around / the situations generally, or the combos I used it with, which generally wouldn’t lend themselves to that kind of display…

…unless the space closing is a disinhibition effect of course. I guess that’s why this is an inexact science!

100% agree. At least with my relatively short time with P83. I usually go with 30 mcg and mix it with Ammo or one of the nols. I’ve had a night watching a movie with my wife while wearing Ammo/P83 when the mood started off chill and even felt like it might turn sexual later. I felt kind of quiet/floaty and space was reduced between us. Then something minor got brought up and we were in all out argument for the rest of night. Of course I wasn’t being careful and that’s another reason why your “use with caution” statement reads true. I should have put the discussion off, which I could have easily, but I bit and we had a verbal war.

Yes it can be sexual to it if used right. Yes it reduces personal space. And I still say that I love the potential of this product but it is best suited for users who can exercise shitloads of patience and control - which I have but I know some on here who want super easy results. P83 ain’t for you and could actually put you off from using mones.

Next time I use it I’m going to scale it back to 15 mcg in a mix and be especially aware of how much this product can effect the mood and keep steering it in a good direction.

Definitely have noticed it more with A314 in particular. It actually makes a killer combo, through in some IH and its almost glue if thats what you are looking for.