Okay I’ve had a few weeks testing P86 (unscented, 10 mcg /spray 30 ml bottle) in mixes at work and in social occassions. Unfortunately no sex tests, though I feel inspired by Warren’s and Dianne’s tests, as I don’t have a gf/fb at the moment (partly through being picky). Though there are potential candidates with the way things are going lately ( P86 has been helpful in this regard).
Some things I’ve noticed about P86 :
At about 40 mcg of this molecule or higher, I’ve noticed there is a period shortly after application where I feel sleepy - this probably lasts for 15 mins or so.
At 40 mcg when added to a mix including ‘quieteners’ like A314 and P93 , it really chills me and others around me out and seems to almost make things ‘quieter’ at times because everyone feels too chilled out to talk. In this way it reminds me of Est - people too chilled out to do anything at times other than just sit there and ‘vegetate’ lol. But when a communication enhancer (like Beta -Nol ) is added, conversation really does flow well. P86 isn’t as empathetic as Est though it does have some of that, and it does feel more ‘sensual’ than Est for me (though I was using only low doses of Est ).
It really brings smiles to my face like no other pheromone I have tried. I’ve noticed a consistent smiling effect from others too. It reminds me of the way P93 seems to affect a lot of blondes, redheads and caucasian women (in terms of smiles coming out of nowhere) generally. Except it feels like its like that for everyone.
Related to the smiling effect possibly could be the effect that it seems to have on perceptions of people’s looks. When I look at myself in the mirror after applying P86 I do feel there is some kind of a nice radiant glow to my skin. I’ve noticed that at times that I do judge some women to be somewhat prettier than they actually are after a conversation with it on (and definitely see some kind of radiant glow to their face). Anyway I feel by smiling more this could definitely add to the effect for myself - I look way better when smiling.
It seems to give me some kind of ‘pleasant person’ vibe and gets me a lot of invites to things. I feel almost too nice with lots of P86 on. I have had that problem anyway (acting ‘too nice’) often when talking to the ladies. Trying to do some cocky and funny behaviours, alpha body language and more kino has helped me portray a more sexual image at times. I can’t for the life of me do cocky and funny with P86 on. That’s one advantage that Instant Shine/ TAA has over P86 - cocky and funny comes naturally with Instant Shine/ TAA .
In an effort to mould the ‘pleasant person’ vibe that P86 seems to give into a ‘darker, badder’ vibe, I’ve tried adding P79 and other products to it. P79 wasn’t as effective as I hoped for - though conversations and opinions thrown around were intense as they usually are with P79 on. I also tried adding MX105 (which is basically the old A314 formula minus two of the ‘heavier, more serious molecules’ in spray form). Anyway this seemed to work very well the two times I tried it - 2 sprays of MX105 with P86 40 mcg (one time I had P74 on as well and the other I had one spray of Shine on as well). I was the centre of attention with both younger (mid 20s) and older ladies (40s) and there was definitely interest though social proof played a part as well. I still felt a little ‘nice guyish’ but the ‘fast-diffusing but minute’ amounts of AndrostEnone in MX105 mixed with cologne (Jacomo de Jacomo Rouge) seemed to definitely work well at getting people’s juices going (not to mention my own). I may have to try some heavier AndrostEnone products with P86 .
Anyway so far P86 has been very interesting. I’m looking forward to trying it more with P83 and P87 . I am definitely getting another big bottle of this molecule. I have a feeling P86 + TAA /Instant Shine + TAF + AndrostEnone maybe one hell of a combo in terms of portraying an pleasant, attractive, healthy, virile spunk…
Tater swears by P86 as well. I tried it, but I don’t recall what happened. I have one more day of P104 testing, but this P86 seems to be held in such High-Regard that I’m going to be testing it this week.
I’ve still got a quarter of a to-go of this one from ages ago. I didn’t really notice much on the first round, but then again it was one of the first of the P series I tried to test. Might have to pull this one out of retirement.
Some more things about my experiences with the molecule I didn’t mention before:
I prefer using it with a cover. A few times at work when I put it on without cover I did notice a weird smell and one person’s nose moving away a bit (I could just be paranoid though!). Indeed I seem to have had my best hits when wearing it with a cover socially and at work (even at work sometimes I put a little cologne on).
It might be almost ‘too foggy’ if you are trying to present to a group for example. I noticed it messes a bit with my mental skills when wearing substantial amounts (like 40 mcg ).
It is definitely a good pheromone and becoming a real personal favourite of mine however don’t expect it to work miracles (of course you know that!). I went out on a date with a chick who (it seemed) was really enjoying herself and smiling/laughing a lot but it just didn’t work out between us after that (even with the P86 influence) to the point that I never heard from her again. Mones can only do so much (as Gegogi has said many times in many ways)…
TAH is actually the one molecule I haven’t tried on its own (though I got a few female mixes ToGos as freebies in my last order which might contain it). From my reading TAH gives off a feminine signal and needs to be well buffered by masculine notes for a man to pull it off (from memory, PheroQuirk used it with success but the girl he pulled mentioned she thought he was gay at first or something like that). TAH can also lead to disrespectful reactions even on some women (they might be seen as too weak?). I know it was also mentioned that TAH was ‘pink’ almost if one thought of it as a colour and it had some kind of ‘radiance’ it added.
On that note, P86 feels to me as ‘red’ in colour for some reason (very subjective). Like a kind of ‘red fog’. It chills out to the point of being foggy at times. Perhaps I am thinking of the way it seems to make my face look in the mirror at times as well as some of the girls I have talked to when I had it on (it might make one perceive a bit more colour in the face or something).
It seems to also not lead to much disrespect compared to many of the other social mones - people seem kind of ‘angelic’ with it on. Like they ‘don’t have a chip on their shoulder’ and just feel kind of grounded. Like how women look after long lovemaking sessions (post-shower though). Just kind of lack of tension, happy, and sensual.
Great report! And a nice observation. I’ve just started playing around with P86… so much more to come. But for me, if I were to give it a color, it would be “golden.” When I wear it everyone has a deep golden yellow glow.
A deep golden yellow glow for P86 , that’s interesting Diane. But I do agree there is some kind of physical glow to people (and their behaviour too) with P86 .
Indeed thinking about P86 more, I would say that it makes me perceive things as being a little more sweet generally. People are definitely more ‘sweet’ with it on. Not particularly ‘neurotically-chatty and romantic’ sweet like with Alpha -Nol or ‘empathetic’ sweet like with P74 - P86 doesn’t seem to pull as much in a particular direction. I think this could mean that P86 could essentially keep Beta -Nol 's intimacy-inducing effect without taking it much into a totally new social direction (unlike say P74 and Alpha -Nol )…
In this way, perhaps P86 might tame some of Beta -Nol 's ‘rough edges’: see update III: Beware of Instant Honesty for what I mean. For me personally, when I wear Beta -Nol (mainly through CTTM nowadays), at times I reveal more than I would have liked to in conversations. I am also quite sensitive to the frank words spoken by others when Beta -Nol is in the air (I have seen people quite rude to each other with it on). For me, while Beta-Androstenol is undoubtedly a great rapid bonding molecule, the brutal honesty that I see on occassion can leave a ‘sour taste in the mouth’ so to speak. The vibe can be a little harsh and intense at times, especially for sensitive people.
Now here is where P86 may be perfect. Bringing out the sweetness in people may result in Beta-Androstenol’s vibe feeling ‘less harshly frank’ and more ‘sweet’, ‘positive’, and ‘pleasant’. I base this on only a few experiences here and there but will be testing the Beta -Nol / P86 combo more thoroughly in the New Year…
Personally, I like to use Instant Honesty or betanol when there is that Great BIG Elephant in the room nobody wants to admit they know is there. In that case it can burn though a lot of tension quickly, and things can get resolved. But I don’t think this a good “light” social.
P86 vs TAK comparison…
Both molecules seem to be good at reducing the Lone Wolf Effect that I possess (my Lone Wolf Effect seems to come as a result of harsh dark facial features, an intense personality/look and being ‘in my head’ a little bit more than most others).
TAK is better than P86 for increasing approachability.
TAK causes more disrespect though - it seems to be the opposite to A314 and AndrostEnone in a way that it substantially reduces intimidation. If there is too much TAK on (say 30 mcg +) without adequate A314 or AndrostEnone , it seems to cause a very approachable but ‘lightweight’ vibe. Doing this for one day may be refreshing but eventually people lose respect and I get treated like lightweight garbage by high-powered people (who respond well to say A314 ).
TAK at lower dosages (say 15 mcg ) is definitely useful at reducing the Lone Wolf Effect and increasing approachability minus the disrespect that higher doses of this molecule seems to bring for me. That bit of tension that there often is between me and others (unless I hit it off really well with someone) seems to be gone when I have TAK on.
P86 helps with the Lone Wolf Effect too. It doesn’t cause as much disrespect as TAK though. It does make people approach a bit more and I do spontaneously smile more with it on (and so do others) which would also make them more likely to approach again later. I’ve noticed conversations last longer when P86 is on (similar to P74 in the way it can ‘buy time’) and women, at least, are more willing to initiate conversation with it on. Possibly a slight space-invading effect as well (nowhere near as strong as with TAA though). P86 does indeed tend to make me act and look a bit ‘sweeter’ (more ‘innocent’ perhaps?) which is definitely somewhat useful for the Lone Wolf Effect.
In conclusion I think TAK and P86 are probably two of the best molecules Androtics has for counterring the Lone Wolf/Clint Eastwood effect. TAK is better for enhancing approachability, opening up channels of communication and reducing intimidation while P86 seems more attractive socially and is better for being perceived as more ‘sweet’ and ‘innocent’ (and acting the part too)…
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In this way, perhaps P86 might tame some of Beta -Nol 's ‘rough edges’: see update III: Beware of Instant Honesty for what I mean. For me personally, when I wear Beta -Nol (mainly through CTTM nowadays), at times I reveal more than I would have liked to in conversations. I am also quite sensitive to the frank words spoken by others when Beta -Nol is in the air (I have seen people quite rude to each other with it on). For me, while Beta-Androstenol is undoubtedly a great rapid bonding molecule, the brutal honesty that I see on occassion can leave a ‘sour taste in the mouth’ so to speak. The vibe can be a little harsh and intense at times, especially for sensitive people.
Now here is where P86 may be perfect. Bringing out the sweetness in people may result in Beta-Androstenol’s vibe feeling ‘less harshly frank’ and more ‘sweet’, ‘positive’, and ‘pleasant’. I base this on only a few experiences here and there but will be testing the Beta -Nol / P86 combo more thoroughly in the New Year. I have the perfect test subject - a coworker of mine who gets very defensive at times when people challenge her through their frank critiques of her work at meetings (when Beta -Nol is in the air courtesy of Moi)…
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This is not directly related to the quoted comment I made but P86 's ‘sweetness’ effect doesn’t always prevent things from getting a little nasty. Had some male aggression from a bit too much AndrostEnone in the air (courtesy of using MX105 for both days on the weekend) - jealousy played a part as well. Wannabe Alpha in his 30s was feeling threatened lol. Also a woman in her 20s was speaking with some aggression about others (not towards me though).
I did notice lots of smiles and flirting though as well - 40 mcg of P86 and Instant Shine were the additions to MX105 . Anyway my conclusion is that P86 will ‘sweeten’ things a little but won’t prevent shows of aggression from AndrostEnone (perhaps it might soften them a bit though). This might be a good thing though as when something softens AndrostEnone too much (for example lots of TAK ), the vibe is less sexual and exciting. The ‘stimulating’ properties that AndrostEnone has (whether it be ‘getting the juices flowing’ or ‘the fight or flight response’ it can induce) do seem to work well with the sedating properties of P86 where people just seem too tired to keep things moving…
I seem to get a consistent tiredness reaction from others when wearing 40 mcg of P86 . I’ve noticed a couple of friends (girls in their 20s) consistently feel like aborting nights out a little early with it on. I’m thinking of cutting back a bit on my P86 dosage (whose effects I absolutely love), putting it in DPG for extended release, and/or putting it together with stamina-enhancing (not just energy-increasing) pheromones/essential oils.
Another effect I am noticing is that guys can get a little jealous with the female attention I get with P86 on. The effect reminds me a little of IFM /Androstadienone (except P86 makes me smile as well and feel great aside from the tiredness at times). Girls eyes/faces light up with smiles in a similar kind of way. Blondes/redheads/caucasian women often do this with P93 as well though the effect seems more fleeting with P93 - they will go back to their task quickly for example. The slightly jealous reactions might also be to do with the P86 making guys perceive I am ‘handsomer’ than I actually am (more competition to them?) - especially since I wear it with another perceived physical attractiveness promoting product, Instant Shine.
Warren has been searching for the perfect molecule to counteract P86’s sedating qualities.
I wear it with P80 and that keeps the sedation down to zero for me. But I’m wearing P86 in a much lower dosage range - 5.0 mcg to 10.0 mcg P86 with 12.5 to 25.0 mcg P80.
I’ve been experimenting with new P86-containing mix:
100.0 mcg Est
100.0 mcg Meo-Est
50.0-100 mcg Beta Androstenol
10.0 - 20.0 mcg TAC
1.3 - 2.5 mcg P79
12.5 - 25.0 mcg P80
5.0 - 10 mcg P86
5.0-10.0 mcg P96
1.3 - 2.5 mcg P103
cops
With this mix I get no sedation, and I don’t see sedation in others around me.
This was originally a sexy mix, and I’ve had great, happy, hot success with it. But I accidentally grabbed and sprayed for a party, and I’ve worn it out a few other times.
With this combo in a social setting, (party and running into people when I’m out) I’m noticing some freeing up of tender emotions in men, and the willingness to express that openly, and that was totally unexpected. Women tend to clam up more around this mix, men tend to talk more. Women don’t avoid me with this mix, but it seems like it is more of a struggle to open up. I think the P80 is giving such a strong masculine signal it seems like a barrier to free communication. I’d like to see if guys see this same effect with P80 or if it is a congruence issue.
I’m also seeing a high value and impressive imprint that lasts with it, (getting feedback from others). I saw a lot of color coming up when addressing me, a lot of wide eyes, a lot of second takes, and quite a bit of approaching. There was a lot of ease with this mix, even with the high dose P80, and no indicators at all of disrespect.
I think P86 has a lot more to offer than just a glow or making things look pretty. And even though it has this problem of sedation, I think this molecule is very worthy of some extensive testing. I think the emotionalism I’m seeing might be attributable to the P86 and P103. Any thoughts?
Thinking about this slight jealousy effect from other males some more… It could also be to do with the way P86 seems to make women look prettier as well at times. So you have smiling, perky, pretty (seemingly) women around but they are focused more on me - it doesn’t make the other guy(s) feel so good I know from past experience!
Also the AndrosteRone from IG that I wear may add to a certain spotlight jealousy effect (as I’ve seen AndrosteRone do even without P86 )…
Yes P86 is definitely something special and I agree that " P86 has a lot more to offer than just a glow or making things look pretty. And even though it has this problem of sedation, I think this molecule is very worthy of some extensive testing."
I’ve pasted in below some possible explanations as to what in your mix is giving you a ‘high value an impressive imprint’. I wonder if the P80 is adding to this?
The high amounts of Beta- Androstenol and Est would be contributing to the ‘emotionalism’ you are seeing from men surely - though I think the P86 might be contributing as well. I am not sure about P103 as I haven’t tested it enough but it might be further loosening self-control.
Wow P80 at such relatively high doses - you are going where noone has gone before! Great stuff. What interests me with P80 is that it is clearly a masculine signal it seems right up there with AndrostEnone and AndrosteRone. I mean women have worn other slightly masculine notes like perhaps P79 , P83 , P93 , TAA , etc. But how many can wear reasonable amounts of P80 without massive buffering (like you have done)?
“Women don’t avoid me with this mix, but it seems like it is more of a struggle to open up. I think the P80 is giving such a strong masculine signal it seems like a barrier to free communication.” Perhaps you could add TAL to this mix as, MHarris wrote, it “may help to remotely boost women’s confidence around you… and thus amp up their expressiveness.”
I was thinking of trying lots of the strong masculine note, P80 , with TAL , which without adequate buffering may make the phero signature too feminine (in a ‘strong woman’ or ‘gay best male friend’ kind of way). I wonder how that would work with women (P80 + TAL)?
I also did try P80 at one point with the ‘Clint Eastwood effect’ reducer, TAK , - P80… clever grace note
before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ?
PheroQuirk (August 6, 2006):
?? P74 and EST seem to be good (when combined with a regular balanced mix inc A314 and Shine) at creating a cool vibe amongst men and women alike. You are a relaxed, charismatic presence - lovely guy/mature, powerful yet not intimidating and people smile, want to get to know you, invite you to parties. And I think this stays with them - it’s not like an OD of some of the simpler mixes where if you see someone again without it they are in a different state and it’s as if your interaction with them previously had never reached the level it did and they feel at some level puzzled about why they behaved that way towards you??
Tater also mentioned in his journal (in December 2007) that some of the molecules are 'imprinting mones ':
(e.g. TAF , MEO- EST , P79, possibly TAC and a few others)
MadisonTate (February 2, 2008):
“…Tater thinks P86 has a good memory effect and makes things sensual. Ive described P86 at Touch Me, and P83 as Touch Me NOW. Used together they provide memorable sensuality, a strong imprint that would make the lovemaking a memory that would not quickly fade. Tater continues to think that P86 is underrated and is the real star of the show. P83 is some sort of impatience, irritable thing that acts on whatever mood is already in place, while P86 makes things feel good…”
Amazing night!!!
douche (November 19, 2008):
"Sorry I didn’t respond in full to this earlier, but I actually had reasoning behind each one of those products…and they proved to do me justice.
The Ammo was to be sexy and mysterious, the guy all the girls wanted to talk to (which happened);
The P79 worked perfectly also. In past tests, P79 has seemed to make/allow the women i’ve been with to easily initiate things (such as kissing me, fondling me, starting sexual touching), and this seemed to be pretty apparant at the party also. I like P79 .
The P93 was for added attraction/added social standing, especially with blondes, redheads, and asians. Funny thing is that the blondes seemed to be the most responsive to me that night, like the girl who wanted me to take her home, she’s a blonde, another touchy-feely girl was strawberry blonde.
I used TAL to couple with the P79 to act on the girls’ confidence in approaching me/making a move on me/acting out of instinct.
I used Steve’s suggestion for that frat party (listed in the thread called “Frat Party” was used to be very social yet sexy. The nols were supposed to make me approachable and talkative, as well as the people talking to me (which may have worked a bit too well in some individuals).
Instant Shine I think speaks for itself here.
MX335 was to be more the center of attention (it’s got more TAA in addition to Instant Shine’s ingredients. I just wonder what the TAH did that is in it. I don’t know what else is in it, but it has made women seem very at ease with me and want to stick around me more, so I figured that’d be good.
The P74 was to add even more to the social aspect and allow me to be kind of “the cool guy” or whatever…seemed to have worked.
And I’m still unsure about this, but if I did put on Instant Gentleman , it was because I hadn’t worn any A314 , but wanted the respect, while wearing all those socials and the -none in Ammo .
All in all, the combo worked wonderfully for me. It covered pretty much every aspect of attraction and getting to them in the right places. Again, I will test this again on Friday night."
Tal & p79 together?
douche (February 2009):
"i have used these products P79 and TAL ] together before and had good results. However, I did not use them alone. I think I had a spray or two of ammo on and maybe a drop or 2 of A314 , but both times that i remember adding those molecules on top, a girl shoved me into a wall and started shoving her tongue down my throat (in a relatively socially acceptable way i guess) but each time they just kind of grabbed me and did their business despite what i had to say. lol, good luck to you. i hope you get good results.
I believe the P79 was making them feel as though they had to “do something” or something of the sort, when combined with ammo , this translates into “i am attracted to this person and feel the need to do something sexual” maybe. then the TAL makes them confident enough in themselves to “just do it”. lol hope this helps"
TAL 5mcg on a guy
Mharris (February 18, 2006):
"…Anything below the dosage of A314 and/or Instant Shine.
So you could theoritically use 100mcg, as long as you’re using more than 100mcg of a masculine pheromone mix.
I just don’t recommend it alone without a masculine mix, unless you’re OK with experimenting that way.
As far as reasonable dosage goes, I’d say 2.5mcg to 17.5mcg. Pretty small. The influence of TAL is detectable at small levels."
TAL 5mcg on a guy
MHarris (March 19, 2006):
“…I think you’re remotely boosting a woman’s confidence wearing TAL, and thus, their expressiveness. Bringing them out, and perhaps even “Bringing out the best in them” when used in a good mix.”
Geno (the newbie needs adivce on which pheremones to purchase next
MHarris (March 19, 2006):
“…Some have been finding small amounts of experimental pheromone TAL to help, too. As I mentioned in another thread, it may help to remotely boost women’s confidence around you… and thus amp up their expressiveness. This has certainly been reported enough times by women who wear TAL themselves.”
P80 feels like what I imagine a high dosage shot of pure testosterone would feel like. It is a real powerhouse, and I really get into the physical side of this molecule. It has all the pluses of Androstenone with none of the side effects.
And actually, I’m not so sure this is an actual masculine pheromone. It feels masculine, sure. But my husband is not repulsed by me wearing it, like he gets when I wear -none. With -none he rarely wants to stay in the same section of the house with me, even when I’m doused in EST.
With P80, the effects on him are similar to its effects on me, namely increased arousal to physical stimulation, increased levels of excitement, increased excitability, stronger heart beat and heart rate in response to stimulation, increased control-taking aggression without anger or rage, and increased interest in life.
If it is a masculine pheromone it is definitely alpha, like Androsterone, but younger, more vibrant than Androsterone. And like Androsterone, this doesn’t inhibit camaraderie with other alphas or elicit anger and rage displays the way Androstenone can. And it has none of the irritability factor that tater talked about and I’ve seen with P83. It is smooth.
I’m not sure this is a pheromone that many women would get into and enjoy. I do, but then again, I like competition, and have never been afraid to stand on my own two feet and compete with the boys. My only problem is that the Spartan Warrior feel of this pheromone, when worn alone, could be very addicting to me. I guess I should refer to it as the Amazon Warrior feel in my case. P80 has a sense of justice and duty to it and the power to back it that I find very appealing.
Oh, yeah! It is definitely alpha - male or female.
TAL - I find it makes me irritable even at low doses. I haven’t layered it much. TAA might be a better choice for me if I wanted to lower the P80 signature a bit… or I could up the dosage of P96… or I could just wear less P80.. heh.
Actually, I’m not going to change this mix. I designed it as a sexy mix. The high dosage of P80 in this regard instigates and supports some pretty interesting bed games… call it friendly competition. The ratios seem just about right.
Thanks for your input with P86. Right now P86 and Taa are the top two for me.
Have you used P93 with P86 offset the tireness I find with a lower mcgs 10 of P93 it gives me a push at times. I have that crash at times with P86, but have not used just the two alone.
You are still single? I made a mix that got the girls attention fast at the bar.
P86-P93-Taa-Tuth-P79
I have been playing around with the mix but so far that is the best one.
After reading all that, I have one quick question:
What amount of mcg is best with p86?
I saw that you liked to use it at 40 mcg, but you said some down effects from it. Me, being a girl, what dosage should I NOT go over? Like, best effect?
im really interested in this putative, so any report on it interests me a lot