Been using around 25mcg of P96 by itself. It definitely
hits the younger, more blonde females quite hard. Havent tested
it out at night in a club/bar setting yet. Stuff seems potent as far
as daygame is concerned though.
However it does seem to cause a significant reduction
in status among males. This is where A314 should come in handy. Need to try out this combo again at the proper dosages.
Im hoping P86 comes back in stock soon, not holding
my breath though. It would be nice to do a A314+ P96 + P86 combination.
P86 is something we have finite amounts of, and won’t come back because the creator has since gone out of business/retired. Sad fact #1.
We do have one or two syntheses of this molecule from different chemists in both our P series and just on our shelf, “Un-P’d”. We have hundreds of compounds, from dozens of chemists, sitting on our shelves Un-P’d. Any compound from any study on pheromones or olfaction from the past 20 years is something we just have on our shelf. Consider: even though it is chemically the same compound, however, there may be some differences.
The original was synthesized over 10 years ago, and is subject to a different scale of pricing. Petroleum prices alone have gone up 400% in that same amount of time, which affects the price of everything. Because of this, the newer syntheses are much more expensive than the original.
What I see happening:
With the current syntheses we have in stock, and the old stock we have, we will probably gather them together into an MX mix pack. We will dose them the same, MX-ify them, and leave them to YOU guys to decide which is the victor. This will probably be the easiest way to phase the old stock out, while simultaneously testing the other syntheses to see if they are viable. If we were to make “Legacy P86” available, it will likely be under those terms only.
A few Ps we have are subject to this sort of scenario. P87, and I believe, P88.
New MX pack sound good? Here’s what I need from you:
What is your favorite/most effective dosage? What is your most effective fragrance option? Our team will then huddle and produce the most logical combination and offer it here.
On another note:
Oh hi, I’m Brian, btw. I’ve been here for months back of house, and with John Sebastian going on hiatus, I’ll be your new point of contact. I have been trying to figure out when I should start posting on the forum, under what context, and I think this is the perfect thread to start. I’ve been managing supply chain and quality control here for the past few months, but have never made a formal hello on the user-side. So… hello!
Hello and thanks for your rapid feedback (and your offer), very much appreciated.
I’ll let the vets chime in as to the most favored dosage and scent. According to my cursory reading of previous P86 posts perhaps a 25 mcg shot would be appropriate? Again, I hope far more advanced users than I state their preferences here.
In addition to the above or in the worst case perhaps as a “replacement” for P86 would you consider releasing Androstenetrione?
It seems fashionable these days for some to proclaim with a seemingly absolute certainty that they know what certain putatives actually are and/or in what commercially available formulas they seem to be in; so for the record I want to state that I am not saying Androstenetrione = P86, though they do seem to possess somewhat similar qualities based upon what I have read. Further, I want to state that I have tried neither but do certainly want to !
BTW: After an initial “failed” attempt with P96, I am really starting to like this stuff. It hits a demographic (Early 20s blondes) that most mones tend not to. I have seen very blatant staring, DHLs and so forth using P96 alone.
Heh. I chuckle a little bit here. Yes. We have Androstenetrione. We’ve had it as long as I’ve been here, and by the looks of it, for a decade. It’s a P, its tested, it’s beloved.
Oh, and it isn’t P86.
I’ve heard some fanfare about reverse engineering the P molecules lately. Honestly, I don’t understand why anyone would bother. It’s expensive and there’s plenty of room for experimentation across the “smelliverse”. There are thousands of odiferous compounds to test. Different lavender crops have different psychological and pharmacological profiles. Everything is part of a complex, testable system.
In that vein, I am happy to crush any misconceptions or misinformation. Misinformation is bad for the community. Believing lies breaks reality! And for real things to happen, you have to be as harsh and honest with yourself as possible. Anything I can contribute to that harsh honesty, I will. Otherwise, we’re lost.
As for MX-ifying the Ps that are finite or in short supply, I can always check our order data for “most ordered averages” or more importantly, “most REORDERED averages” and produce from there. I tend to trust the wisdom of crowds – more specifically, votes with dollars and feet, instead of by text or by voice. Those data points are connected to reality, without human opinion. When you listen to the most vocal, sometimes you are listening to a vocal minority, that might not be appropriate for all. And sometimes, public votes skew toward what people think others want to hear, rather than what they really feel.
We’ve been busy designing testing protocols and architecting software to bring pheromone testing up to modern code - to better reflect the reality of things, as best as we can. Essentially this means filtering out placebos, dirty data, and vocal minorities. It’s a good time to be a smell scientist.
While being part of a forum is a blast, reading journals is hours of entertainment, it’s not all that scientific. The purpose it does serve, is it leads us toward new ideas. New ideas are things we can test. And that’s why we want to foster a community who are all aligned with curiosity, reality, fun, and making a better world.
At least I’d like to think so.
PM me if you heard “proclaims with absolute certainty” about any molecule and would like a refreshing, honest answer. I’ll be as transparent as I can without exposing our trade secrets. It’s a fine balance between the two, and I want to be respectful.
PM me if you have heard about any compounds and want to actually try the research standard. We have a library of hundreds of odiferous compounds, not just pheromones or putative pheromones. Everything you’ve ever heard of from any study, ever, is probably already in our library. The people who set this up in the beginning were serious, and this “seriosity*” was a beautiful thing.
Well I have to admit I had a sense this was the case but now that it’s official it’s never coming back is indeed a sad day…but I think we all knew that.
The reason for all the fanfare and hoopla was that it worked so damn well. There were so many mixes AD put out that worked so well only to be available for a short time.
I’m just curious to see what Androtics has in store for 2014? Any hints that you can give us?
Meaning no disrespect, but cryptic answers leave me more frustrated than inspired. Were I interested in trione, how would I obtain it, short of ordering every putative? What are the top 5 neglected putatives I should test, and why? Why are they beloved? I’ve already done 91, 102, 103, 130, 83, 75, 74. Probably others I’ve forgotten. Those are the top ones, frankly. In the top search 110 tags, only 78-80, 96 and 97 remain, as far as stocked items. That’s about it far as “beloved” goes. The last five, save P96, are rarely reported this decade. I am grateful for the information, but how would I employ the beloved status advantageously? What beloved ones am I missing? I would be willing to help you with your research. Will you be helping me with mine?
I’d also like to know which products you’re hurting for reports on. My only clue is whatever freebies I’m given with my order, which so far has always been either p130 or p102 (except for once, it was p91).
2.5mcs of P83 and 10mcgs of P86 (this is what I suggest),
or 5mcg of P83, 20mcg P86
etc.
Another ratio that worked was P83 to P86 12.5mcg/50mcg
I like the idea of lower-dosage sprays for this, since P83 tends to work better with lots of sprays at lower dose per spray. Also this will make the P86 go further.
The p83 tends to break physical barriers and has a ‘human velcro’ type effect on a lot of folks.
The p86 gives a lasting ‘crush’ type feeling… intimate closeness and good attraction.
Personally, I am interested in high Androstenone mixes with slightly less P75 than enone. Because P75 makes high enone possible.
I think TAK, would fit in perfectly to buffer this.
Possibly also TAC, in equivalent to the mcg of enone.
Take this mix enone, p75, ratio of P86 to P83, TAK to buffer, and TAC to relax, take it for a spin.
2.5mcg of P83
10mcg P86
5 mcg Androstenone
4 mcg P75
4 mcg TAK
5 mcg TAC
Suggested: 2-3 sprays
so for max effect, 3 sprays give me:
7.5 mcg P83
30 mcg P86
15 mcg Androstenone
12 mcg P75
12 mcg TAK
15 mcg TAC
Dare to go higher… ?
The idea with this mix is that P75 makes the higher level of Androstenone possible, since P75 keep negative reactions contained. For buffer, TAK and TAC will relax and block negative thoughts, and should counter-balance the stimulant qualities of P75. The P83 and P86 will add attraction and disinhibit. We kept P83 low enough to keep it’s dark site from sending the whole thing south. You could also throw in P79 at 10mcg if there is still some to MXify.
Extry: For the first time, they’re offering a putative in fractions of a microgram. So, 250 nanograms / spray of -eNone, if they offered that (or P75 or androsterone), that’s what the women should play with. Now, why P86. I didn’t know it worked at 500 nanograms.
