i had the most fantabulous night last night working.
i journaled it
but definatley wanted to encourage others to give it a whirl if they havent already.
i was complimented.
i was hit on.
i made 32% in tips.
my work environment was outa control fun.
P86 - i used 12.5mu spray on each arm.
rubbed them together lightly to spread it out.
added TAL 20mu
betanol 25mu over all
EST aprox 100mu
i am going to tweak this formula throughout the next few weeks and bottle it as my sexxay money-maker 
I read your journal post…Sounds like a fab combo 
I quite fancy trying it myself 
I have all ingredients except for betanol…I have IH which has a ratio of alphanol:betanol 30:70 right? Would that be an ok substitute you think? I reckon that’s the closest I get…it’s more beta than CTTM2 at least…
xiphoid:
definately i would try it with IH.
i wore P86 all by itself today,25mu.
initial self reaction was a bit intense;
i was in the truck and so even with windows open it was concentrated.
everything was vivid.
sharp.
this continued as i ran around the grocery store.
stuff popped out.
no overt hits;
people are usually very nice and social with me.
i saw more than a few odd looks from some older people.
it felt a little like i was a teenager again and was wearing an offensive t-shirt and these older people noticed :o
i checked my zipper and made sure i didnt smell like anything but neroli
maybe this is all an effect from the neroli, and P86 is really just a placebo,
but i am going to continue using it because it is positive.
I am lovving P86 also.
i know, i have been following your posts
cant say anyone has found me overwhelmingly beautiful yet like others,LOL, but i like the other reactions i have gotten.
there seems to be alot of attention focussed visually though.
that i have noted for sure.
I have made a attraction mix with P86 and with a few others in it. All I can say one of the best nights in a long time for me.
I think for me with P86 it makes things stand out more, maybe that makes things look good because of that? Not sure? Maybe makes me aware so I look deeper at things?
I am still blown away after my night. I hope things go good like tonight did the next time out with that mix.
o man.. you guys are making me want another shopping spree and i JUST placed my order like last night 
is p86 vastly different from p83, do you guys think?
would you mind posting your mix so that we in the womens forum have something here to inspire?
definately different, but its a vibe thing.
like P83, it isnt overwhelmingly masculine/feminine to me.
P83 uplifts.
P86 gets attention
there is a visual stimulus, and people want to comment on things they see it seems.
bet tfrankz would be clearer.
IMO much different.
P83 is lowers inhibition and impulse control.
P86 is a visual aid and at the right dose can beautify.
gawwwd La Pew,
i cant get the right dose to get things looking pretty.
i use about 25mu and things are visually stimulating (crisper,clearer,a little more brilliant) but any higher and its uncomfortable.
what dose am i looking at to like what i see?
i mean, i get more one on one interaction with P86.
there is definately an attractive quality.
I’ve been following this thread. I still have a couple to-go’s of P86. I think I’ll give it a try. I like the stimulating visual aspect of it. Maybe combined with some CTTM2 this could be a real attention grabber.
P86’s self effect was quite minimal, however at
10-20mcg I noticed increased attention from females.
40-50mcg is where the attention from gay men started.
I’m not gay but my hypothesis is: since they’re male and subject to the same attraction mechanisms, the visual properties of P86 is what must have been key. Using that logic I would suggest using a dose of 40+ mcgs.
However if you’re looking for self effects all I can offer is in the way of speculation:
Since the female attraction mechanism is based on a more complex set of rules, my guess would be that lower doses might be sufficient.
Then again that could be misguided advice seeing as a male was wearing it observing female responses.
Are you certain the increased interaction wasn’t attraction attraction based?
see thats what confuses me.
it absolutely gets attention, but even as far as self-effects im not sure where the attractive quality stems from.
your input will rock,countess.
well, for me its attractive to both men and women.
i get a pull from both wearing this molecule.
that seems to make sense, given what you have said so far,
but it does surprise me that women would notice this on another woman and react positively to it.
i guess i expected a typical gender difference (must break programming!)
for this reason, i assumed the increased attention wasnt attraction attraction-based.
have to stop assuming though,
i get hit on by both genders.
i am never quick to think its attraction,just more of a “pull”.
i value your opinion,
so i am going to wear closer to 40mu tonight at work and see what it nets me.
thank you so much for your input!
I try to avoid being one of those guys who assumes any attention is attraction. However, the prolonged stares I was getting sure felt like they were interested in that way. Normally women let me know they’re interest more subtly and will stare but not become transfixed (which happened with P86).
You’re on to something though because while this was happening in plan sight of other males, I didn’t sense envy from them. In fact the people of both genders seemed uncommonly thrilled to speak to me.
In more adept hands (such as yourself) P86 when added to other pheromones would make a great ‘instant celebrity’ mix.
You’re welcome Lor, good luck and let us know how it goes.
Hey Lor
My mix had Taa, P86, P93, Tuth, P79
um yeah,
that sounds pretty freakin’ sexxay.
GREAT MIX
Yep I wanted to make an attraction brew and thought that they would work good together.
I posted what happened last night in my journal when I was out at a pub.
Tonight got a call to go out but the place was dead. Not much to add.
Are you guys/gals feeling any tiredness from wearing lots of P86? If so how has this affected your days and evenings with it on? Have you found anything that especially helps to counter the tiredness effect (and not just coffee for yourself;, I’m talking about the effects on others around you)?