Report on P86

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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Androtics was kind enough to provide me with some P86 so I’ll be kind and provide some tests on it.

First off, I read everything there is written about a product before I test it. I looked for test reports and found little or nothing on it.

Even my Mentor Tactius is almost silent on this one. I mostly saw complaints that it wasn’t available in the store.

So why did everybody want to order P86 but didn’t want to report on it?

Strange.

I’d read that it was a beautifier. Just to clarify, I read but don’t believe what I’ve read until I see it for myself.

P86

I try 2 sprays @25 mcg’s per spray. The first thing that I notice is a very, very slight tightness in my head and a dryness in my eyes. The about 10 mins after the initial application I get tunnel vision. It’s not severe tunnel vision but it’s like my peripheral vision is gone. This was at night. It seemed like my vision was clearer. I would compare it to going from regular TV to HD TV. I also seem to notice things more like a lit doorbell…30 feet away.

So I decide to see how it affects people. A quick trip to my favorite testing place…the grocery store. I get in and walk around the way I usually do when testing a new product and I get nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Even the cashiers who always give me reactions to pheromones give me nothing. I chalk it up as a dosage issue and go home.

When I get nothing as Tacitus taught me I up the dosage. So, the next day I wore 75 mcg’s solo. Nothing again. I noticed no unusual actions. Nothing out of the ordinary. I did experience the dry eyes and the slight tightness in my head and the tunnel vision again. On this day there was no “HD” vision though. I was kind of hoping the P86 was going to convert to something and show me something later on in the day.

Once again I up the dosage so on day three I am wearing 100 mcg’s. This is supposed to be expensive stuff but even at 100 mcg’s I’m not seeing anything impressive. I really don’t see what the fuss is about. I feel like I’m missing something but what? All of my interactions are normal.

Day four and accordingly I raise the volume. I am testing 150 mcg’s (6 sprays). I get the tunnel vision again and dry eyes but no “HD” vision. Again, all of my interactions are normal.

So now I don’t want to go any higher. The plan for the next round of testing is to go the other way. Super low dosage. I going to add 5ml of PA to 1 spray=25mcgs of P86. That should give me .625ml per spray. 2 sprays of this will give me 1.25 mcgs.

P86 reminds me of P93 which works only on blonde Caucasian women in that I can’t figure out if it is working or not. It may be targeting a certain group or it may only target the user. I suspect the latter.

Paradox's paradoxes-The Ravings of an Alchemist
Paradox's paradoxes-The Ravings of an Alchemist
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Have you tried it with consumer products? Sometimes they enhance the consumer products

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I always test putatives out solo first. Unlike other testers I don’t mix a putative and try to report on it as if I was wearing it solo. In other words I would not wear IH+P86 and claim to be reviewing P86.

I like to wear a product solo first. I like to get to know a product thoroughly before mixing it with something else. But that’s just me.

The above is only my first few tests. Like I said when I test something I really, really test it. I don’t let go until I’m absolutely sure of what the putative is doing.

I believe you about P86 enhancing products and I don’t believe you.

I have to see it for myself.

So, the next step in this test will be a smaller dose…maybe 1.25 mcg’s.

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I would think about maybe making a 5 mcg spray then converting that to 1 mcg. Things like GABAA can be structurally complicated. Multiple chemicals control ion flow in ways that do not work like a water faucet or make common sense. More complex still when they are sprays and not injected.

So we know what happens is several allosterics are administered internally. What happens if they simply affect GABA by as yet unknown odor processes? So 1 drink is a weaker allosteric than 10. But sprays may not work that way. Maybe they go to 1 mcg and no further? Very little good facts and fingertips I can easily quote. But supposing the dose range is maybe .1-1 mcg? Maybe a logarithmic function here? Sound is like that. Huge diff from 80 dB to 160. 40 is nothing. 80 is loud. Double it to 160, you are dead. Your head explodes. dB is a logarithm.

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Do we have somebody here college trained in pharmacology? I am not. I seem to remember logarithmic dose curves but hey I am not a pharmacist.

Wait, I was correct. I really have not looked at this in a long time I am not a pro at it.

Dose

PS:

I do not have P86 now. I am very slow testing. Sometimes 2 years. After a year with TAH, I find public perceptions very biased and mistaken. I have worn much without any issue at all. Not recommended on its own right now. With A314, another thing completely. People can call it Marilyn Monroe or whatever. I say otherwise. The more in life I ignore the masses, the better I do. They have strong opinions, deep beliefs, massive cult influence, intense political power and most of the time few facts and even less accuracy. Man On the Street interviews show Americans think FDR died 5 years ago. Or they cannot tell you the House or Senate leader. But by God they know everything about economics and politics. In truth they know near nothing.

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Ain’t nothing slick to a can of oil.

Dose-response experiments typically use around 5-10 doses of agonist, equally spaced on a logarithmic scale. For example, doses might be 1, 3, 10, 30, 100, 300, 1000, 3000, and 10000 nM. When converted to logarithms (and rounded a bit), these values are equally spaced: 0.0, 0.5, 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, and 4.0.

Dosages

There’s not that much of a difference between 1.25 mcg’s and 1.0 mcg’s. The math is easier for me to do 1.25 mcg’s. Pheromone math give me a severe headache.

I experimented with A1 and found that higher doses worked better than the doses that people were using. Results are in my journal.

I experimented with enone and found the optimal ranges for various races and age groups of women. Results are in my journal.

Right now I am experimenting with P86. It’s hard to hit the optimal dose for any pheromone when you don’t know where that could be. As far as I’m concerned it could be anywhere from .05mcg’s-450 mcg’s.

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I see that. In this case I am using some non-empirical reasoning. Since it is so rare, if they use it at all in A314 or MX353 (they said they did?), it is going to be pretty low most like. Since making low dose takes mucho time, prooly in the sub micro range is the most productive to throw a dart. I will probably wait until I get a general idea of dose. Too much dilution alters the fragrance and DPG. If I add those too it, the test is changed again. And cannot be correctly duplicated by the public. I would rather not dilute 12.5 mcg to 1/20th. There is very little scent and DPG and it might skew the numbers. There is a point to be made it going high above 50 mcg. Many people cannot afford to go much about 250. 12.5 is an acceptable start. Some reading this just do not have it in them to make a 1/20th dilution. Without some lab tools it will not be too accurate at 1/10th’s of a mcg.

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Funny I don’t remember your user name, and I thought Tacitus died in RL.

Never knew he trained a prodigy he he

Personally I have no idea why 86 is being tested again, it was found to be optimum at 60mcg and ppaired with 83 at a 2:1. With a sprinkler of 96 at 20mcg. And a little 20mcg anol. It is a hellish little slow burn.

This is a regular at the strip club and my social life.

What are you two playing at? Low dose 86 shows almost nothing below 40mcg.

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No two syntheses are perfectly identical. P86 testing and your feedback matter to US. We’ll of course understand if non-testing clients prefer non-discounted prices.

NB: Joe10 sees effects below 2 mcg using our present P86 synthesis.

https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p86-attractive-vibe-glowing/62143

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And that means what to me?:cool:

Tacitus is dead. I learned much about what I know about testing from his writings. I did ask him questions and PM him when he was alive. I’ve read all of Tacitus’ posts and reread them as necessary.

There are few posters that I see as great testers on this forum but I can count those on my hands.

My testing parameters were learned about 4 years ago from this post:

https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-test-and-report-on-products-updated-12-01/6297

I have proven people wrong in the past here. I have to test it for myself. I just think that most of the testers are not using the correct testing methods. Some testers mix a putative and try to report on it as if I was wearing it solo. In other words I would not wear IH + P86 and claim to be reviewing P86.

Reporting is subjective. I have proven many an observation wrong just by trying it for myself. Also when reading about other peoples experiences with pheromone mixes you have to take into account their experience with women (or lack thereof).

Some men believe a woman is looking at them with interest when they are just looking. Many times a hair twirl is just a hair twirl.

Someone posting that 40 mcg’s is the optimal dose for P86 is not true to me until I prove it for myself.

For something as simple as enone 3 mcg’s may be the optimal dose for Asians while 10 mcgs may be the optimal dose for African Americans & Latinas.

You have to look at everything when testing (i.e. age, ethnicity, environment, air circulation, exposure time, distance…ect). All factors come into play. Many reporters fail to account for all factors when making an assessment.

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As I said I would, I prepared a smaller dose of P86 by spraying 1 spray @25 mcg’s per spray into a 5 ml bottle. I then filled the 5ml bottle with PA (FF21 scent).

I tested the P86 yesterday at 2 sprays (.625 mcg’s per spray). Nothing great or fantastic here. A few head turns but nothing unusual.

Wow and Wow!

Today I am wearing 1 spray of P86 (.625 mcg’s). It’s like night and day. Everyone this morning is friendly. People are stopping by my area to chat with me. I applied P86 at 7:15 am it is now 8:00 am and the effect seems to have gone or maybe is dying out but I was getting alot of attention this morning.

There are no attraction hits but people seem to want my attention.

Seems like less is better for this putative. Much more testing is needed but it seems like I hit the optimal dosage or am getting close. As far as dosage testing my next step would be to drop down to .312 mcg’s.

Paradox is right again!

Not to harp on this but once again I have proven many “testers” wrong.

It seems that all of the previous dosage reports for P86 may have been wrong. It could be that I am wrong but this dosage level of P86 (.625 mcg’s) needs to be tested and retested to make a solid determination. So far it seems like I was right…again.

Testing is a skill.

Gold medal is on it’s way?

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Thanks for your effort. It’s well worth for this molecule. Not to belittle your findings -but at least one tester just recently reported on p86 effectiveness with doses much smaller than what was previous consensus. Silver medal it is then. And another impetus for us to join in testing in those dose-range.

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You are not belittling my findings. I have not read about anyone else’s findings at this dosage. :confused:

Get another 250 reputation points under your belt and then see what medal I deserve :stuck_out_tongue:. I say Gold.

Go get 'em champ!

This post & testing series is not for me. I know what my findings are!

I am posting my findings for the benefit of the pheromone community. I want the pheromone community to test things for themselves rather than take someone’s word for what a putative is doing.

Everyone is so excited by P83 but there are so many untested putatives that could turn out to be better than P83. You can believe me that if I weren’t testing P86 I would be wearing VL1 today.

There is so much unexplored territory in the pheromone world. There are only a handful of good reporting users out there.

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P86

Meaning no disrespect per se, we don’t share that view. And such discussions will not be permitted in the putative forum. While in the past efficacy of a molecule or MX may have been influenced by user popularity, that era is over at Androtics Pheromone Research. Full stop. So as not to be viewed as “censorship” , we will let everyone know that reports in this thread are subject to embargo to prevent subjective, anecdotal biases. Reports would go into moderation for 30 days. We’d honestly rather Approved Reporting Users make use of the Putative Forum.

Observer-expectancy effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When it comes to awards, we would love to see a string of 24 bimonthly reports from a user on 12 putative molecules next year. :slight_smile: Not to ring the alarm, we need to be clear Reporting Users who have not given GOOD feedback in over 6 months should step it up if they want to keep the discount. :wink:

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Just defending myself from those who disrespected me in this thread.

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Check Joe10’s P86 report, he reported on P86 being much more effective in small doses last week.

As we speak I’m unpacking my 30 ml bottle of 2,5 mcg P86. So expect some microdose testing from yours truly upcoming month :wink:

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I don’t have access to that forum. Never saw Joe10’s report. No access to it.

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I’ve been using tons of P86 in the past ..

as a standalone … in combos .. lower dosages ( but never went lower than 10mcg’s i must admit because i did not see to much that low )

higher dosages ( even up to 500mcg’s .. not kidding )

the actual synthesis seems to be quite a bit more “powerful” than what we had a few years back ..

40mcg’s was a rule of thumb dosage that worked in most combos and as a standalone for many people ..

this does not mean that it works with anything at that dosage and for everybody and

as well it does not mean that this is still true for the actual synth that is good stuff as well but has a different feel to it ..

P86 was never just a spray on look better molecule it has many other effects as well that got burried under all that hype that happened sadly

keep in mind that pheromones seem to have some type of barriers where they change their behaviour .. what can be good under 10mcg can be total fail over 10mcg for example

cheers,

Pago

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what results did you get from p86

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Pherotalk is Androtics forum and they can do anything they want with it. It does not belong to the Posters. We are guests here and the forum Admins dictate the rules.

I was a moderator at a PUA site for 10 years. We had 70,000+ forum members.

I should know better than to argue with posters.

P86

I tested P86 yesterday at 1 spray (.625 mcg’s per spray) and I have a few more observations about the experience.

P86 at 1 spray has some powerful self effects. It makes me feel aggressive. I almost feel slightly angry when I am wearing this. Not quite angry though. I feel manly. Not the macho manly feeling or the A314 Superman feeling but just manly. Maybe some sort of testosterone boost or estrogen blocker action is happening?

I didn’t notice this earlier in the day which makes me wonder what this is converting to on the skin.

I also noticed a calming effect after about 3 hours. It’s like having a warm brandy by the fireplace. Perhaps this is just the effect of coming down from the slight anger/aggressiveness described above.

At this dosage of P86 I talk louder.

Women & men do not hang around when I have this on. There is some curiosity but no DIHL, no lingering. Some conversations with women seem to last longer but nothing really unusual. People do not linger or hang out with this one solo.

Testing this at a lower range makes me want to test my P96 at this range.

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I should only add that due to genetic factors (proven polymorphisms in Japanese, ubiquitous nucleotide differences globally, diverse olfactory gene expression), I think it is scientifically improbable that any one persons testing in any one city will be the same elsewhere. Some mones are highly lipophilic. Something simple as how clean your skin is matters. Note that lipophilicity of -enone and Japanese polymorphisms are documented facts. The genes have been sequenced; millions have been spent on -enone research due to boar taint. The chemistry is well known.

Regardless, I value all P86 tests, including paradox. Need to see some tests from Japan, India, Iceland, etc. The sample size of reports under 500 I have seen on this board have a high error margin.