Yes P86 is definitely something special and I agree that " P86 has a lot more to offer than just a glow or making things look pretty. And even though it has this problem of sedation, I think this molecule is very worthy of some extensive testing."
I’ve pasted in below some possible explanations as to what in your mix is giving you a ‘high value an impressive imprint’. I wonder if the P80 is adding to this?
The high amounts of Beta- Androstenol and Est would be contributing to the ‘emotionalism’ you are seeing from men surely - though I think the P86 might be contributing as well. I am not sure about P103 as I haven’t tested it enough but it might be further loosening self-control.
Wow P80 at such relatively high doses - you are going where noone has gone before! Great stuff. What interests me with P80 is that it is clearly a masculine signal it seems right up there with AndrostEnone and AndrosteRone. I mean women have worn other slightly masculine notes like perhaps P79 , P83 , P93 , TAA , etc. But how many can wear reasonable amounts of P80 without massive buffering (like you have done)?
“Women don’t avoid me with this mix, but it seems like it is more of a struggle to open up. I think the P80 is giving such a strong masculine signal it seems like a barrier to free communication.” Perhaps you could add TAL to this mix as, MHarris wrote, it “may help to remotely boost women’s confidence around you… and thus amp up their expressiveness.”
I was thinking of trying lots of the strong masculine note, P80 , with TAL , which without adequate buffering may make the phero signature too feminine (in a ‘strong woman’ or ‘gay best male friend’ kind of way). I wonder how that would work with women (P80 + TAL)?
I also did try P80 at one point with the ‘Clint Eastwood effect’ reducer, TAK , - P80… clever grace note
before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ?
PheroQuirk (August 6, 2006):
?? P74 and EST seem to be good (when combined with a regular balanced mix inc A314 and Shine) at creating a cool vibe amongst men and women alike. You are a relaxed, charismatic presence - lovely guy/mature, powerful yet not intimidating and people smile, want to get to know you, invite you to parties. And I think this stays with them - it’s not like an OD of some of the simpler mixes where if you see someone again without it they are in a different state and it’s as if your interaction with them previously had never reached the level it did and they feel at some level puzzled about why they behaved that way towards you??
Tater also mentioned in his journal (in December 2007) that some of the molecules are 'imprinting mones ':
(e.g. TAF , MEO- EST , P79, possibly TAC and a few others)
EST puts my man in the mood for love - #53 by MadisonTate
MadisonTate (February 2, 2008):
“…Tater thinks P86 has a good memory effect and makes things sensual. Ive described P86 at Touch Me, and P83 as Touch Me NOW. Used together they provide memorable sensuality, a strong imprint that would make the lovemaking a memory that would not quickly fade. Tater continues to think that P86 is underrated and is the real star of the show. P83 is some sort of impatience, irritable thing that acts on whatever mood is already in place, while P86 makes things feel good…”
Amazing night!!!
douche (November 19, 2008):
"Sorry I didn’t respond in full to this earlier, but I actually had reasoning behind each one of those products…and they proved to do me justice.
The Ammo was to be sexy and mysterious, the guy all the girls wanted to talk to (which happened);
The P79 worked perfectly also. In past tests, P79 has seemed to make/allow the women i’ve been with to easily initiate things (such as kissing me, fondling me, starting sexual touching), and this seemed to be pretty apparant at the party also. I like P79 .
The P93 was for added attraction/added social standing, especially with blondes, redheads, and asians. Funny thing is that the blondes seemed to be the most responsive to me that night, like the girl who wanted me to take her home, she’s a blonde, another touchy-feely girl was strawberry blonde.
I used TAL to couple with the P79 to act on the girls’ confidence in approaching me/making a move on me/acting out of instinct.
I used Steve’s suggestion for that frat party (listed in the thread called “Frat Party” was used to be very social yet sexy. The nols were supposed to make me approachable and talkative, as well as the people talking to me (which may have worked a bit too well in some individuals).
Instant Shine I think speaks for itself here.
MX335 was to be more the center of attention (it’s got more TAA in addition to Instant Shine’s ingredients. I just wonder what the TAH did that is in it. I don’t know what else is in it, but it has made women seem very at ease with me and want to stick around me more, so I figured that’d be good.
The P74 was to add even more to the social aspect and allow me to be kind of “the cool guy” or whatever…seemed to have worked.
And I’m still unsure about this, but if I did put on Instant Gentleman , it was because I hadn’t worn any A314 , but wanted the respect, while wearing all those socials and the -none in Ammo .
All in all, the combo worked wonderfully for me. It covered pretty much every aspect of attraction and getting to them in the right places. Again, I will test this again on Friday night."
Tal & p79 together?
douche (February 2009):
"i have used these products P79 and TAL ] together before and had good results. However, I did not use them alone. I think I had a spray or two of ammo on and maybe a drop or 2 of A314 , but both times that i remember adding those molecules on top, a girl shoved me into a wall and started shoving her tongue down my throat (in a relatively socially acceptable way i guess) but each time they just kind of grabbed me and did their business despite what i had to say. lol, good luck to you. i hope you get good results.
I believe the P79 was making them feel as though they had to “do something” or something of the sort, when combined with ammo , this translates into “i am attracted to this person and feel the need to do something sexual” maybe. then the TAL makes them confident enough in themselves to “just do it”. lol hope this helps"
TAL 5mcg on a guy
Mharris (February 18, 2006):
"…Anything below the dosage of A314 and/or Instant Shine.
So you could theoritically use 100mcg, as long as you’re using more than 100mcg of a masculine pheromone mix.
I just don’t recommend it alone without a masculine mix, unless you’re OK with experimenting that way.
As far as reasonable dosage goes, I’d say 2.5mcg to 17.5mcg. Pretty small. The influence of TAL is detectable at small levels."
TAL 5mcg on a guy
MHarris (March 19, 2006):
“…I think you’re remotely boosting a woman’s confidence wearing TAL, and thus, their expressiveness. Bringing them out, and perhaps even “Bringing out the best in them” when used in a good mix.”
Geno (the newbie needs adivce on which pheremones to purchase next
MHarris (March 19, 2006):
“…Some have been finding small amounts of experimental pheromone TAL to help, too. As I mentioned in another thread, it may help to remotely boost women’s confidence around you… and thus amp up their expressiveness. This has certainly been reported enough times by women who wear TAL themselves.”