pheromone cloud stealing and AMOG (alpha male of the group)

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The real estate adage is ‘location, location, location’. That is the first half of a good phero-strategy, and one which jojo hit out of the park: choose your venue carefully, a place where you can leverage your strengths.

But there ~are~ people who either consciously or unconsciously are cloud-riders (or cock-blockers?) Guys who step right in front of me, or insert themselves between me and a target, or who seem to deliberately come over to stand next to me bringing a target with him on the other side: inevitably in this last case the guy’s back is to me while he talks to the target … and he happens to be “in” my cloud. A “free ride”.

Actors have been upstaging one another for centuries; this is no different.

So choosing a location that makes “upstaging” difficult is one aspect. Getting footloose is another. If you move around, at least a minimum, then no one can steal your cloud. Your pherotrail will lead to you with a likelihood that approaches probability = 100%.

Only if you are lazy and latch onto a spot can someone upstage you. If you’re mobile, even if someone else is AMOGing, people will unconsciously ~know~ the pherotrail is yours. Even if they are reacting to the pheros, becoming more talkative (or more horny) and interacting with the AMOG, they will know (even if unconsciously) that the pheros stimulus came from you.

Also, don’t be afraid of walking away from someone you’ve opened, go talk to someone else, come back when it pleases you. Especially do not fear “losing ground” with a target when someone steps in and blocks you or is riding your cloud. Walk away. Walk back. Enhance the trail gradient.

How you make them realize CONSCIOUSLY that you’re the pherosource is up to you. How you get them to conceptualize it is another thing. Being congruent to the pheros is one way, for sure. Out-AMOGing the AMOG is another. Being patient, repeating the phero-exposure, building tension, flirting, … this may take more time but may also pay much higher dividends.

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interesting… my gf is the eldest sibling in her family and she usually takes charge of a situation fast and is good at handling job distribution. in every job she’s worked she’s usually promoted to supervisor within a month. she’s quite the alpha female in the work environments.
when we are together, our roles as alpha and beta shifts depending on the situation. during cuddling, my gf turns into a spoiled kitten and likes to purr and bite and likes to be held tightly and treated like a helpless princess. but when we need to get some work done, she takes on the alpha role and bosses me around. :stuck_out_tongue:

sometimes she’d go too far or didn’t watch her emotions (she has short temper) and piss me off. then we either have a fight where she ends up crying (damn ultimate female weapon lol) or I give her the silent treatment and she turns into the beta kitten and my anger melts away.

man woman dynamics are fun. :slight_smile:

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aweseom awesome points. reps to you. (tho I can’t give much lol)

I remember someone mentioning the strategy of walking away from the ‘pheromone stealing’ scene and coming back to let the audience know where the pheromone cloud came from. was it you markL?

cloud riders and cock blockers. we hate them. maybe androtics can invent a putative that de-alpha those bastards lol.

Beta314, - the total opposite of A314, turns the wearer into a supplicating beta male in the eyes of females. when the cock blocker steps in front of you, quickly spray B314 on his back and walk away. and watch from a distance as the women around him starts to ignore him.

evil! lol :smiley:

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I’ve had this happen to me a few times, but it doesn’t happen too often. The conditions really have to be ‘just right’ in order for someone else to steal your hits, and there have to be really pronounced reasons why another person would get more attention than you would.

I distinctly remember one instance where one of my friends very clearly stole my hits. I don’t remember exactly what I was wearing other than that it was a very complex ‘attraction’ type mix. At any rate, I had gone to meet up a group of women at a bar and brought one of my friends, along. We were all seated at a round bar table…and the ladies we were with were downright swooning over him. The mixed worked perfectly as intended…on him lol. Mind you he’s a good looking guy and most women would find him attractive anyway. It was just interesting to see how forward the women were with their attractions, although he seemed completely oblivious.

When I envision the way pheromones are detected, I kinda visualize a trail (sillage) of pheromones wafting around the room at varying concentrations…pooling most heavily at the source: you, the pheromone wearer. When you’re in a group that in a very tight-knit proximity of one-another, its easy to see how people could confuse the source of the pheromone trail being put out.

Proximity-wise he was sitting right next to me, so its easy to see how they could have misinterpreted the source of the pheromones they’re detecting and pegged the sensations they felt onto him. In this regard, I really think that many times pheromones (by themselves) work indiscriminately…this is particularly true with social pheromones, which can liven the mood of a room, without necessarily directing any attention to the wearer. This puts the burden on the wearer make himself noticeable…or otherwise provide a conscious trigger to peg the pheromone effects upon the wearer.

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sorry I couldn’t figure out the quote thingy, lol!! :slight_smile:

I’ve really been thinking alot about this thanks so much for posting it it really helps :slight_smile: I’ve been using instant female magic so far and its really working so well for me :slight_smile: Over the last few days though its been making more and more sense to me why I’m getting such amazing results. With instant female magic I got really lucky cause it fits my natural personality just picks me up a little makes me feel really good and helps me be more positive.

Thats what really brought me to Androtics after years trying every kind of self improvement and social skills and dating and all the rest books and programs and nothing helping me at all and I was really horribly lonely and really depressed so I finally decided to turn to pheremones, I ordered some somewhere and looked at them and started to cry when I read about importance of approach and to present myself as a strong masculine alpha male and stuff and I’m not and every other pheremone store I’ve seen seems to only offer alpha like or strong masculine like types of pheremones for guys and I’m a very sensitive and emotional person and I cry alot I’m not very masculine I’m not gay though. I thought about looking into ordering the female versions hoping I could at least make some softer female friends to hang out with they didn’t even have social ones though and I didn’t really wanna attract guys!!

Thank goodness I found Androtics and saw the selection of social pheremones like instant female magic and instant shine and right then and there I felt I really did have hope and after using instant female magic for over a week now I really feel like things are gonna be ok :slight_smile:

I’d be scared to try any alpha like products cause its just so different from my natural personality and I’d be really uncomfortable trying to act that much different. I’m scared of how I’d feel on them too cause it would probably be a real shock to me.

I’ve had it so easy with female magic its helped me with my depression and made me feel more positive and simply helped open more conversation and I naturally go well with that I just never had the chance before very often social pheremones seem to be like the key that opens the door then its up to me what I can do once inside. All my life all the doors have been slammed shut before I get within ten feet, pheremones really seem to be giving me an edge that way its like as if they’re beginning to swing open and letting me in to give me a chance and it feels so wonderful its what I’ve longed for for a very long time.

Thanks so much for making such good posts that are so easy for us newbies to understand I’ve been learning so much from them, thanks :slight_smile:

I sent you rep points :slight_smile:

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All right! You said it perfectly, sigma. The pheros work, unconsciously. People know it’s from you if you’re mobile and leave a sillage gradient … your pherotrail … but they “know” this unconsciously, too.

It’s up to you to provide a conscious trigger. (Although … perhaps … an alternative is to continue to play with the unconscious perceptions of your targets :cool::open_mouth::roll_eyes: )

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True but there are people who do this to alphas (who dont use mones) all the time. Its not really stealing the other persons phero cloud its the classic popularity by association move. Hang where the popular people or the Alpha hangs and you get his/her left overs.

Exactly, well put, That is what I ment by No one can steal your thunder unless you let them.

Yes there are times in my relationship that I have to take the Alpha role, like with the kids or with some household functions but most the time he takes the lead which is fine by me lol. I think women have a easier time slipping into Beta to someones Alpha then men do. Plus as you mentioned its a very useful skill LOL

Tisha

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If you ever get the urge to try you might start at very low doses. Then it will not be a big effect or shock, and you might find something useful. You can get to doses of fractional sprays by mixing. For instance, in a to go bottle, mix 4 sprays ifm to i spray ammo. Then 1 spray of the mixture gives you 4/5 of a spray ifm, and 1/5 of a spray ammo.

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Good way to become more alpha is joining the millitary or studing martial arts like karate, shaolin fight ext. something practical and freally fighty not just judo or other “sports”.The responsibility, the skill you get, the efforts you put in practice martial arts is transforming even the weekest beta to an alpha.

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Thats only part of the picture in what makes a alpha though. Alpha is almost like a state of mind. Its a aura that certain people give off. They dont have to be the best looking or the biggest and toughest of the bunch. Its a confidence and ability to lead and get things done. You can learn some of the inner strength with martial arts and the military.

Its really important to work on that confidence and self assurance because without it even the biggest toughest guy can be the Beta. Look back at childhood and Bullys and you will see a perfect example.

This is also why its so important to be conguent with something like A314 or any pheromone for that matter. You wont see good results if your giving off a Alpha vibe but acting like the Beta. Its confuses people. Same thing with Instant Openness when it attracts people and makes them chatty but you refuse to interact with them they get confusing signals and tend to back off.

I love this thread reps for everyone on me LOL

Tisha

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me! me! rep jojo again! LOL :smiley:

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Hi Gone with the Wind,
thanks :slight_smile:

I love that idea of mixing small doses along with instant female magic :slight_smile:

I don’t have ammo yet I’ve been thinking alot about ordering some next :slight_smile: I got turn up the heat I’m glad they last a long time though :slight_smile: cause it may take me a long time to grow into something like that and I’m really not into fast relationships would really love to build long lasting ones both friendships and hopefully someday find someone special :slight_smile:

thanks so much for this post its really helpful to me :slight_smile:

I sent you reps :slight_smile:

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Hi Tisha,
really good post :slight_smile: self confidence and self assurance are things I’ve really needed to work on for a really long time.

As a child I was always picked on always made fun of and always put down, any confidence I ever had was destroyed at such a young age and it continued on till I finally broke and became a social hermit :frowning: I always felt other people were better than me and I wasn’t as good as the rest mostly cause thats what I’ve been told over and over so much and the way I’ve always been treated.

Since using pheremones I’ve really felt alot more confident in myself and like I’m not worthless and they’ve really been helping me feel I can be as good as other people and made me feel so much better about myself :slight_smile:

Thanks so much for posting such good and helpful advise in a way thats so easy to understand. It really helps those of us that are struggling learn to understand how to improve ourselves, thanks :slight_smile:

more rep points for you :slight_smile:

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That can be a real self confidence killer when your young. But keep this in mind. The reason people do that is because they are the ones with no self confidence. They dont know how to go about getting confidence so they think by belittling someone else will makes them feel better. But actually it just shows the world that they are not better and hinders them from ever building any real self assurance. The more they bully the more bad vibes that come back to them and the worse there confidence becomes. Its a vicious cycle. Feel sorry for those people, they have issues and just know that you were always a step above them and they sensed it so the singled you out. :wink:

Tish

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desert rose, I know exactly how you feel cuz I’ve been there. I was a social hermit all the way through high school and early college. (the fact I’m an only child didn’t help matters much) I can still remember the 1st day I successfully tested my first ever pheromone product many years ago. it marked the end of my loneliness and the beginning of a 2nd chance and fresh start in my life.

I want to recommend a book to you that was recommended to me by another user on this forum. (sorry forgot name lol) I absolutely guarantee that you will benefit from reading this book (if not life changing) as you see yourself described through out the book.

Without Embarrassment: The Social Coward’s Totally Fearless Seduction System

you can get the paperback from amazon for $73. I downloaded mine in ebook format from emule for free and I have been reading it on my htc kaiser pocketpc phone.

the author is a fat balded short guy who was stepped on by everybody in his life and eventually figured out how to slay his inner demons and transform into a confident alpha male with a rich social life. the title of the book might suggest that it’s another pickup guide but the bulk of info in the book is more about how to correct the self destructive thinking patterns that eat away at men’s souls, especially the beta ones.

a definite must read for social rejects with shattered egos. (like me lol):stuck_out_tongue:

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bumpity bump :stuck_out_tongue:

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Hi Tisha,
awww thanks for helping me :slight_smile: I’ve had low self confidence for so many years it feels really nice for me to be able to try to look at it in a better way like that, thanks :slight_smile:

Most of my life I’ve had low self esteem and self confidence, I’m not so sure its always been that way it has been since as far back as I can remember though right into kindergarden and up. My interests were just not the same as other guys too often and to go along with that I’ve always been very passive and it makes me nervous the way other guys get so rough. I always felt more comfortable around girls I had more of same interests and its easier to talk to them and just relax and well if I ain’t been out in a long time sometimes I talk toooo much!!! lol!! I love to listen too though and usually its something interesting and fun to listen to :slight_smile:

I had a girlfriend once when I was a teenager it was nice and it kinda lasted about 8 month. When it ended I was just heartbroken all guys said was oh well you got lots of miles out of her or something they just didn’t understand, I’m so emotional and I feel thing really deep. I did have one friend at the time I could talk to though and she was so understanding I woulda never made it through it without her sadly when I got so tired of other guys being how they were I went in a shell and we lost touch we always got along well though as long as I knew her.

For years I was alone and didn’t really have anyone I could talk to most nights I layed awake late into the night crying and crying just feeling so alone wishing someone cared wishing I had a friend.

For me I’d really love to make more friends that are women cause I feel better around them and they’re easier to talk to and we share more in common usually and enjoy doing the same kinds of things. I’d love to find the right someone someday I find it so strange though how other guys are how they say how bad it is to end up with girl the meet as a friend I don’t mind at all cause if it takes making 30 friends to find the right someone then that gives me twenty nine new friends too and to me that seems like a good thing :slight_smile:

Using these products and reading wonderful posts like this is really helping me improve myself and slowly gain more confidence. I got a long way to go it feels sooooo good to finally find the right directions to get there though :slight_smile:

Thanks so much for helping me :slight_smile:

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I really don’t think that they are stealing anyone’s cloud… What the problem seems to be is that the pheromones are working but your just not doing anything about it.
If you get a girl really turned on in general but don’t do anything to attract her its pretty easy for another male who is already alpha to use that state to his advantage by creating attraction.

Your come talk to me made the people very talkative but unless you initiate the conversation with them, they may very well just start talking, especially if they are already fairly talkative
and of course the covo was deep because that causes deep and involved conversations

If you use an Alpha pheromone like ammo or something and another alpha is there they feel the pressure of this pheromone and will challenge you or compete with you for dominance unless you way overshoot their perceived self value or basically put them in their place. This could be something like stealing your girl, mocking you, or lots of other things

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Hi jojobiz,
thanks :slight_smile: I’m sorry you things weren’t so good in highschool and early college. Its so inspiring to read how pheremones changed that for you :slight_smile:

So far pheremones are helping me alot too, people are being nicer and I’m feeling better about myself feeling more confident it almost feels like it all works on and emotional circle like the more people are nicer the better I feel and the more confident and good I feel the more people want me around so far thats what its felt like so far and its a good feeling to finally be having success nothing else I tried before worked like this its like it gives me the extra edge I needed :slight_smile:

That book sounds interesting, specially about helping fix self destructive patterns, I’ve had alot including years having an eating disorder and ruining my health I would feel so lonely and sad and it was like only satisfaction I could get in life was stuffing myself with junk, I am still a small person though.

I’m not so sure I wanna turn into a total alpha male since its total opposite of my personality and wanna still be myself too, I’ll take the rich part though, lol!!! and I’d love to gain more confidence and have others that I do enjoy spending time around want me around more :slight_smile:

Thats so cool how pheremones helped you like that. So far so good for me its really helping me feel so much better and things seem to keep going better for me its a really nice feeling :slight_smile:

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Your welcome :slight_smile:

I agree, The best mates usually are someone who you can be friends with as well as lovers. My husband and I have been friends since we were 13 years old. We didnt get together though till we got older but it made the decision that much easier. I was complaining to him about some guy I was dating and he asked me “what is it about him you dont like” and I realized that it was because I wanted this guy to be like him. I told him that and he said “well I am one of a kind so you will just have to marry me” So I did LOL. Make alot of friends and you will find the one person ment for you. :wink:

Tisha