Single spray of MX391 on another Wednesday night
I went to a crowded happy hour and an upscale hotel bar last night. The mix performed very well. I ended up in two very long conversations - very rare, especially for a weekday night. Also more IOIs than usual.
In addition, the first long conversation was very flirty and the girl number closed me just like last time when I wore MX391.
I’m sold on MX391. If it turns into a product I’d buy it immediately.
Why don’t conversations happen on a weekday? Is it a you thing or do people at crowded happy hours not talk?
Seems like people would be more than willing to talk as its disarming because it is a weekend. At least that’s my experience anyway 
Short conversations are more common for me but long conversations are unusual. Usually a woman will become bored of me and say, “nice meeting you” after a few minutes.
LOL, get interesting then. Draw out emotions in women and they will LOVE you and talk forever. You can talk a women right into sex 
New Favorite Pheromone Combination
For the last month, I have settled into using the following pheromones together.
2 Sprays of NPA 1:4 ratio
1 Spray of TUTH
50 mcg of P83
This is a very balanced combination for my body chemistry. Girls approach me sometimes. Girls are sexually attracted to me with this mix but not so much that they are uncomfortable. A very high percentage of girls I approach do open without any blowouts. Most importantly this mix attracts women without them running away.
I think the TUTH has a molecule or two that the NPA does not have that improves the overall pheromone profile for me.
My old favorite was IJ with A314. That mix got more powerful hits and some girls were super attracted. But stopped using that mix because too many women were totally in to me and then just ran away. I could not find a way to prevent this.
What was your ratio for IJ and A314 and how old are you MetalTree…
Typically 1 Spray of IJ and 1 or 2 drops of A314. I’m in my very late 30s.
(If you read this, keep in mind that I have an extremely soft vibe to begin with and my natural vibe seems to act as a buffer for the sexual pheromones. That’s why pheromones don’t seem to act the same on me as they do on other men. I think this posting would seem weird to to someone who did not know that.)
In the last few months I’ve been using NPA and TUTH together. I’ve had makeouts with some women and had sex with a couple of new girls. One girl totally is eyeing me has a potential boyfriend. We have been out a few times and made out for a long time but she is holding off going home with me because I’m in the freaking potential boyfriend category which I do not want to be in.
Based on my body chemistry, this combination of pheromones is perfect for meeting a girl who is attracted to me and wants to see me again. Perfect for making a girl think I’m a potential boyfriend. Perfect if I wanted to go on a few dates and then have sex. I do not want a girlfriend and I don’t want to go on dates so I’m not happy with NPA + TUTH together anymore.
Also, I kind of feel like women who don’t like me are seeing me as weak and they kind of feel bad when they reject me, almost to the point of being apologetic. As this happens I’m thinking to myself - WTF! - why doesn’t she just blow me out or just walk away like a normal girl would.
I went out a couple of times with IJ/A314 and then got some harsh rejections like normal. Didn’t have any super strong hits like I used to but those don’t come every day.
I know IJ is mostly androstenone but supposedly there are other molecules that steer it to make it more jerkified.
I’ve decided that I want to know once and for all what pure androstenone does for me. I’m real curious how it is different from Instant Jerk. Since Raw Power (would have been first choice) is not available yet, I ordered myself a bottle of Primal Instinct from the other side. It has 5000 mcg of None in 10ml of oil. I’m evening thinking about using this as a base and using all the other products I have to steer it. But I want to try it out by itself and see how women react.
I’m perfectly aware that this stuff might scare the women all away. If that happens, I’ll consider buffering.
First Night out with Primal Instinct - Makeout
Dosage
2 Drops of Primal instinct - 1 to left side of neck and 1 to right side of neck
Summary of Effects
Definitely generates IOIs but not as polarizing as Instant Jerk. Did not lead to any girls approaching me. Did not encounter any male aggression. Didn’t do enough approaches to fully evaluate PI but did lead to a makeout where the girl was massively attracted to me.
This pure androstenone in an oil base works well for me. I would love to order a product like this from androtics because I am sure they would sell the product with a superior oil. But my only choice at the moment is PI. 
Unanswered Questions
Why is this product not as polarizing as instant jerk? Is it because it is oil based and diffuses more slowly? Or is it the secret molecules in instant jerk that steer the androstenone into more of a jerk vibe? (Instant Jerk is still the most powerful pheromone product on the planet - very difficult to control though).
Application
I applied 2 drops, one to each side of my neck. I dropped each drop onto my finger and placed it on my neck. The stuff was pretty runny so I had to move quickly. I could not apply it to that wide of an area because it absorbed into the skin incredibly quickly. I can’t smell androstenone and my primal instinct was unscented. I kind of felt like I didn’t put anything on so I almost decided to put on a couple more drops but I stopped myself. I covered with one spray of the beat.
Walking & Subway
On the way to the subway I noticed myself instinctively looking at women’s breasts as they walked by me more than usual. This might have been a self effect. Nothing unusual happend on the subway ride. A couple of girls looked in my direction during the ride but who knows what that means - nothing definitive.
First Bar
I went into a bar that is usually crowded but it was pretty empty probably because it is labor day weekend. There were mostly women sitting around the bar so I sat at the bar and ordered a drink. I sat there for a half an hour and didn’t notice anything unusual from the bartenders or the people sitting at the bar.
Second Bar
The second bar I went to was hopping. I decided to start testing primal instinct by standing in a busy area. Dozens of women walked by me but nothing unusual. None of the women who walked by boobed me.
I then went to the edge of the dance floor and enjoyed the music to see if any hits would come my way. Sure enough, two women saw me and positioned themselves in front of me. The less attractive one turned her head and looked at me a couple of times. She totally was not my type so I just ignored them. They kept on inching closer and closer until they were within 1 foot of me. They just stood there for a few minutes and then moved away. Then a guy who the less attractive one knew went to her and she just grabbed his bead and started making out with him. She was mauling the poor guy. I kind of felt like she sucked up the sexual vibe from the pheromones to build up her mojo and unleash it on that other guy. I looked over about 20 minutes later and she was still making out with the guy on the dance floor.
I realized that the Primal Instinct was having an effect when this girl drags over a guy and starts dancing incredibly close to me despite there being enough room where that was not necessary. (This seems to be a common effect with the very sexual mixes). As she was dancing with the guy her had bumps into my genital area a few times. Don’t know if this was on purpose or not but over the course of the next half hour she dragged the guy near me on a few different occasions as I just stood there and made contact with me dozens of times. Of course they eventually made out in front of me.
There were also 2 nice hits where a circle of girls would stand right in front of me and one of them would give me a strong sexual look. Unfortunately I was not approaching. I did not do a single approach at this bar even though there were a ton of hot women. I could not get myself going. So eventually I left and went to another place.
Third Bar
I got a drink downstairs and it was pretty crowded. Didn’t notice any blatant IOIs here but I was getting stuck in my head. I could not approach despite plenty of different women hovering in my area briefly and then moving on. There were a ton of approach opportunities. Fuck.
I went upstairs leaned against a wall and there were plenty of women around and I was not approaching. The people to my right left and further to the right there was a girl standing against the wall by herself. She was overweight but pretty at the same time. She had these huge breasts hanging out of her top and I felt attracted to her. I was feeling reluctant to approach but then I said to myself that all I had to do was tap her on the shoulder and say hey. If I can’t even do that, I’m screwed for the night.
So, I walked over, tapped her on the shoulder, and said, “Hey”. She immediately introduced herself to me. I instinctively held out my hand to shake her hand but she couldn’t see my hand because her boobs were in the way. So I moved my hand higher and shook her hand. I held her hand without letting go and made a little bit of boring chit chat. Eventually she pulled her hand away. Her other hand was hanging there so I instinctively grabbed it. I asked her were in the city she lived but before she could answer I started kissing her. Between the open and the kissing was less than on minute.
She was making out with me like there as no tomorrow. Our bodies were pressed together and she had an incredible amount of passion. I was getting really turned on. She told me that her friend is totally judging her but she doesn’t care. She grabbed my hand and led me across the bar area to a leather sofa. We sat down and started to make out. She had her nose near my application points and was moaning. She had goosebumps on her arm and I could feel that her nipples were very hard through her top and her bra.
Eventually her two friends found us and the gay guy said to her in a stern voice, “we are leaving now.” The girl I was with said, “No” and wouldn’t leave me. Then he repeated, “we are leaving now” and she told me, “Come with us”. I said, “No, they don’t want me to come along.” She said, “I don’t care. Come with us.”
Then the gay guy said, “just exchange numbers” and he was shaking his head. We exchange numbers and she gets up. Her female friend was looking at me so I waved. Then she came over and shook my hand so I said, “Nice meeting you” and they left. I don’t know if this last detail was important or not.
Later in the night we texted back and forth a few times. I invited her back to my place but she replied that her friends are making her go to Brooklyn. Later in the night she texted me that she hopes she could end the night with me another night.
After she left I went back downstairs and I got some IOIs but I could not approach. I had plenty of approach opportunities but only approached one girl. I tapped her on the shoulder as she walked by but she just ignored me.
Fourth Bar
A couple big groups. I did two approaches and both times the girls just turned away from me. (This is good because I hate it when girls who don’t like me make polite conversation cause they don’t want to hurt my feelings.)
Fifth Bar
Pretty empty so I sit down and order a drink. Girl comes next to me to order drinks. I should have opened her but I didn’t. Fuck.
Sixth Bar
I walk in and bar is too crowded to order a drink. I open a girl by accident because I saw her looking at me and I told her that I can’t get to the bar. That inadvertently started a conversation so I went with it. I start hitting on her and I hold her hand. She tells me that she doesn’t like her hand being held so I let go. We chit chat for a while and I make it clear that I’m into her but she says nice meeting you and goes back to her friends.
I approach a few girls when I get a text from the girl I made out with. I invited her to come to my place and I had to wait about 10 minutes to get a response. That kind of prevented me from doing approaches. Then the girl I talked to when I first entered the bar comes back so I continue to hit on her. As I’m hitting on her I get a response from the girl I propositioned so I look at my phone and read the response. Apparently the girl read the response too because she said, “I get it. Nice meeting you.” Then she stormed off.
I approached a couple more girls and then headed home.
Subway Ride Home
I just missed the train so I sat on a bench waiting for the next one. After about 15 minutes a girl walked onto the platform with really nice legs. As she walks towards the bench I stare at her legs for about 5 seconds. She has the choice of two seats and takes the one further from me. I look at her and she sees me but has no reaction.
The train came soon after that and I sit near her. I mentioned that she timed the train perfectly and she says yeah but she had to wait 30 minutes for the F-Train. We ended up talking the entire ride home - she did most of the talking. She lives with her boyfriend but when her stop came she said hopefully we will meet again on a night out. I’m not sure if she was just being polite or if that was a cue to give her my business card. (She was getting off the train so no time for a proper number close.)
Final Thoughts
My body must be producing natural pheromones that buffer the androstenone. In theory I should have gotten lots of negative effects from pure androstenone but this outing with Primal Instinct was very positive. I felt good when I went to bed.
2nd Night With PI
I applied 2 drops of PI just like I did on Friday night. The results were not as good. Most of the women I approached seemed somewhat uncomfortable. I did get a good amount of IOIs but nothing interesting happened. Part of the problem may have been the bars I went to. There were not as good as Friday night and I had fewer approach opportunities through the course of the night.
I hope Friday night’s results were not a fluke.
I think the strategy to use with PI in bars/lounges/nightclubs is to approach lots of women and expect many of them to not be into you. But if you approach enough, you will get that one really strong result that is totally awesome.
Limitations of Primal Instinct
I had a date with the girl from friday and I applied to drops of PI.
I grabbed a couple drinks from the girl from Friday night. We kissed at the bar and when I invited her to my place, she accepted with hesitation. We made out for a while at my place and she was moaning with pleasure. But she alternated the moaning with pleasure with “I just can’t do this.”
Eventually she said, “If I stay I’m going to have sex with you and I promised myself that I won’t do this anymore. You are a really great guy but I can’t do this. We can do this another time when we know each other better.”
Then she put her clothes on and left thought she did passionately kiss me before she left. I think she was incredibly aroused but there just was not enough comfort. Or she has pegged me as a potential boyfriend.
That is my curse. Women think I would make a great boyfriend or husband. Oh Well.
PI - Dangers
very drunk right now. Went to a couple of bars to see if I would get any hits from the 2 drops of PI I applied earlier and I didn’t get any. I’m thinking about the girl who left earlier and she was indeed massively attracted to me but I think she felt a bad vibe too that was creepy and made her uncomfortable. I have a feeling that I am never going to hear from her again. The strange thing was she pretty close to deciding to have sex with me but as soon as she decided not to, she was out the door pretty quickly. It was kind of like she was aroused but got the creepy vibe all at the same time. The creepy vibe won out and she took off. My gut feeling is that she has decided that she will not see me again.
I know it’s a bad idea but I am sure I will go out with 2 drops of PI again just because it’s so God dam interesting to me. But I think the smart thing would be to limit myself to one drop on my stomach to limit diffusion and apply an alcohol product to my kneck.
Just as a side not, it’s possible that she started getting a bad vibe because I was getting drunk and not the PI. We were drinking Jameson and I am a total lightweight. Who the hell knows. I would love to debrief her to find out how she was feeling moment by moment and especially the moment she decided to leave but I don’t think that will ever happen.
I’m feeling kind of depressed now but that could be because I am drunk. Oh well.
Most likely androstenone build up
I researched buildup a lot when I first started using pheromones but I kind of forgot about it Two drops of PI on Friday (70 mcg androstenone) and two drops on Saturday (70 mcg androstenone) then I skipped Sunday. But I did not scrub or make any effort to remove buildup. And PI is oil based as well. Then I added 2 more drops before my date yesterday. I think she liked androstenone but it was too much for her with the build up.
I re-researched buildup and will post links to a few topics about buildup for the benefit of those reading my journal and seeing my negative experiences with too much androstenone.
Chapter 1 explains buildup
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/basic-noob-phero-bootcamp/2159
Buildup can last a week for some in rare cases - Witch Hazel can help.
https://pheromonetalk.com/t/build-up/35897
Here Tisha23 recommends Peroxide or witch hazel
Here Tisha23 indicates that build up is not that common but I don’t think this applies to me cause I’ve been overdoing it with PI
This thread recommends witch hazel and hydrogen peroxide
Here, Steve says if you use too much None too many times in a week, you can get buildup
I’m going to get some witch hazel asap.
Update - She texted me
The girl from last night texted me and told me that she had a fun time hanging out last night. Perhaps she didn’t get creeped out by my overdose.
She did leave rather quickly and suddenly last night. I’m sure my overdose was affecting her negatively in one way or another. I would love to know what she was thinking and feeling at the moment when she left in such a hurry.
New Focus - androstenone buildup
I’m going to change the focus of this journal for the time being. I’m going to do the following.
I had a buildup of androstenone earlier in the week but I cleaned the application areas with Hydrogen Peroxide Tuesday and I didn’t wear any pheromones on Tuesday so hopefully I’m starting off with a clean slate.
I went out with pheromones tonight but I will put this in a separate post.
Wednesday Night - The Edge
Wednesday 2012-09-05 - 10PM
1 Spray The Edge Unscented above belly button below rib cage
1 Spray of the Beat Cologne on top of the Edge
Unusual Results
Social Result - Girl to the right of me with guy. Guy eventual goes to the bathroom and I tap her shoulder and start a conversation. She continued the conversation with me after guy got back for a few minutes and re-engaged before they left - she was enthusiastic. Guy seemed annoyed she was talking to me but was polite. She seemed to like talking to me but I detected nothing blatantly sexual.
Thursday - PI & Edge
Thursday 8:30 PM
1 Spray Edge to Chest
1 Drop PI above belly button
1 Spray The Beat to the Chest
Nothing interesting happened tonight.
Cleaned Application Points
Friday 3PM
Cleaned previous days application points with witch hazel. Poured some on a paper towel but don’t know if I used enough. I can’t smell androstenone so there is no way to know if I got it all or not.
I used the following Product
Dickinson’s Original Witch Hazel
pore perfecting toner
non-drying for all skin types
Cleaned application points one more time
Friday - 8:30 PM
Cleaned Application points one more time with the Witch Hazel before my shower.
2 Drops PI & 2 Drops A314
Friday - 9:45 PM
2 drops PI - Around naval area but tried to spread around entire stomach and ches.
2 Drops A314 - Upper chest but tried to spread out as long as possible
Beat Cover - Upper chest - I think there might have been overlap between my cover and oil pheromone applications.
Results
Overall effectiveness - I really don’t know. Combination has high potential but needs to be tried out again. Combination might suck too.
From 11AM to 2AM - Vibe sucked. Cold approaches were crappy and some women were definitely put off.
From 2AM - 4AM - Lots of physical contact from girls when they hovered around me. 3 Different women made at different times passing comments out of the blue, 2 of them when they were dancing with another guy. One of the girls dancing with a guy broke away to compliment me on my glasses. I couldn’t hear what the other two said. I was still scaring some women away with cold approaches but a couple went okay too. Nothing worth mentioning.