Pheromone mix to work with my wife about attraction, trust, affection, bonding. M/37

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Hello,
Why i am here? I have screwed up my marriage, and want to set in right direction.
I am 37, wife 39 two kids 7 and 9.
together 17 years married 11.

I had a mistakes a lot, my wife resent me, we have not any intimacy from 4 years, live like room mates. She ask me only to massage her legs, back and so on.
From 3 weeks, she asked to massage her legs, but and hips, to decrease fat (for me is like sexual experience for me, for her i do not think so).
So, Last 4 years i have try everything ans behavior to turn the thing, be nice, cold anything els (red pill, blue pill,purple pill) be confident, and so on.
Bu yet thinks are not where i wont.
So i want to work with my wife about attraction, trust, affection, bonding. In general fill good in my presents.
At the momenta she do not trust me.

I order from local shop in my country FeroMAX + Trust, the delivery was in small samples sensed, i do not see any effect on my wife, i it is possible that i have fake product.

Now from androticsdirect i order
The Killer Pheromone Newbie Kit (KillerKit)
Hump Day Special! Pheromone Putative P135 5mcg/spray Stealth #540

So as you know what is my intention to use mones, please advise how to used:

  1. Which one to use/when/how/how much?
  2. When massage her, which one to use?
  3. If there is other product, that i can use for my purpose, please propose.
  4. When using mones, is it possible to see the effect days/weeks later, aka. build the expected filings in woman more constant?

P.S. I know that is look like pathetic, but i have a decision to do my best and save my family life, instead of divorce i get new life. What i have red, is that, when woman is attracted, she i more forgivable. I feel my self at lowest point as self confidence as well and my wife is may be limerant to other man (we are just friends ;-))
P.S. I think there is a lot of man/gays in my situation. I will try to report, what is happening in my situation. If there is other user work on there wife’s and long term relationships, please give the hints.

I feel exited to be here and use your mones. my intention are good.
Best regards an thank you.

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Welcome. :slight_smile:

For starters, you sound in about the same place that I was when I found AD a few years back - and whilst saving a relationship is difficult at the best of times and pheros won’t do it all for you. But don’t worry about having made mistakes - We have all been there and learned the hard way. So there is nothing to lose and everything to gain by making some positive changes in your life and the pheros will help support these and make them hang together more convincingly/effectively.

What is your country? Race/national character can have some influence on phero choice as can age and the degree of closeness/comfort between you.

To get a few things out of the way firdt - I don’t know FeroMAX and I don’t trust it. For starters, its name is just too close to an established and genuine product from a copetitor of AD’s, so I’m inclined to think its a poor-quality imitation. You will find many rip-off/highly variable products in the phero market and a lot are simple Androstenone which although effective to a degree, can be a difficult product to use on its own without balancing/steering mones.

You will find some good competition in discussion here but this is mainly an AD forum and the current climate means discussion of competitors is limited.

Saying that, the Killer Kit is a good place to start as it covers a broad range of phero products in a way that is easy to get to grips with. After you have found your feet with that, we can maybe point you at other products that will complement them further.

It seems to me that the first hurdle you need to overcome is trust - and a good combination for that is IH and Instant Shine - which will help establish a close/trusting feeling that gets issues out in the open but with a pleasant/feelgood layer from the IS that avoids the “Too Deep” thing that IH alone can bring.

After a while with that, if she’s getting more comfortable/responding positively, then you can add-in some TUTH for a much more sexual element, or Ammo for an all-round sexy man impression that is maybe more suited for daytime/social use as opposed to TUTH’s bedroom purposes.

IG or A314 can also indicate trust but in a much more high-status/in control way. Some women do turn-on to it sexually and especially mature women but most often some TUTH or even IJ can be useful complement. IS is also good - in fact its good with a great many products as its happy/feelgood properties go with most mixes. :slight_smile:

However, your OP suggests to me that you are not yet in a frame of mind to use A314 effectively - maybe hold back till you have regained some self confidence/degree of control and are feeling a bit better about yourself overall.

None of these are really massage products - Other companies have that market but all can be worn when you are giving her a massage and with a 39yr old woman, TUTH with somrthing comforting/feelgood is just the thing.

With mature women, there is a noted liking for more or more overt Androstenone in a sexual product, so you may find your dosing goung quite high. At my age, 4 sprays of TUTH is about a starting dose but fitness/activity influence your output considerably.

So for finding your dose, you need to start with one spray and increase till you find what suits you best.

Working with single products is the best way to do thins but I’d not regard something like 1-2sprays IH and 2 sprays IS as an unreasonable start to a trusting/bonding mix.

Yes, some mones and combinations of mones do produce longer term bonding/pairing effects with repeated exposures - search in here for “fallout” for a lot more info. However, before going that route, you should do the basics of finding your best dose with your existing mones first - that way you will be much better prepared to use more complex/protracted mixes effectively.

The other thing you need to do that does not involve mones is to work on yourself to get your confidence back and feel better about yourself. Put yourself first for a while and don’t be constantly under her heel. It’s often when the man steps back, the woman startss to remember what turned her-on to him again and yes, that can mean great forgiveness - but keep some for yourself and don’t be in too much of a hurry to forgive! :wink: :smiley:

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Welcome to PheromoneTalk, betheoak!

Your introductory GC is now in your email. :slight_smile:

I wholly agree with Mobocaster’s thoughts here so I’ll second all his recommendations. :slight_smile:

Happy Pheroing! :slight_smile:

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Hi betheoak and welcome!

Thank you so much for the great intro post as this is so helpful for you to get to where you want.

Don’t worry as I have struggles with a lot of the same issues and you are not alone and this is normal for a lot of us and happens.

The very best thing to do is solo test each product individually first so you get an idea of what they do and there effects so you will know how to adjust the dosage of them in a mix down the road.

I will start off with your question 4 first. With this one your wife already has a perception of you in her mind, so it may take a little bit of time to change this. With pheromones with people you do not know it is easier to hit them with something pheromone wise and that is how they will perceive you whatever signature you are wearing weather it be a social or sexual setup or whatever you wear. But someone that has know you a long time it will take them sometime to adjust to this “New You”. I hope that makes sense.

Here is what I would do,

  1. I would start off with the Ammo as a general pheromone to start with around her. This will help rebuild the attraction and is very balanced and plus has a pheromone in it to help her open up and comfort her as well so you can not go wrong with this at all. I would hit her with this solo for a while to start with.

  2. Then when you have hit her with Ammo for a little while I would try to add IShine to the Ammo. What this will do is boost your confidence about this whole situation and put her in a good mood. A plus also is the IShine will bring out even more attraction out of the Ammo. A tip with this one to is you can wear this in the hair on your head also for a massive app point to and washes out easily unlike Ammo or TUTH.

  3. Then after you use the Ammo/IShine setup I would introduce the IH and would wear this one on your wrists/back of hands because you don’t want the self effects of you talking about your true feelings, you want her to do this instead and this will limit the self effects. Now a big thing here is try working on talking with your hands and try to keep them as close to her nose as possible. What will happened is the attraction should be built up enough by now from the Ammo/IShine and the IH will come in and promote bonding/closeness while you are massaging her. The IH will help get her true feelings out of her and this step with the IH will be extremely important so you know how she feels and why things are the way they are and what you both will need to work on. Just be prepared to hear anything and accept whatever it may be so you can work on it and move past whatever may be blocking things for you 2.

  4. Now after all this is where the good part of where you really want to be comes in. This is where you will want to introduce the TUTH now. I would say go to the bathroom spray some of the TUTH on and then go and start massaging her like normal and work on trying to turn it sexual and see what happens.

Now another option with the TUTH is say your sweetspot with Ammo turns out to be 3 sprays. What you can also do is use 2 sprays of Ammo to 1/2-1 spray of the TUTH and the TUTH will sexualize the Ammo and make it more useable for general use around her and just not bedroom use because the rest of the stuff will buffer the TUTH and make it not so much of a direct sexual, but still sexual just more acceptable for general and day use.

so the main 4 I would look at and in this order would be

  1. Ammo
  2. IShine
  3. IH
  4. TUTH

This is for your particular situation you described and to simplify things for you starting out. They all can help you and you will have to test of course to really see what is the best fit for you both, but this should at least get you in the ballpark of where you want to be.

Good Luck!!!

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Hi Betheoak !
I am a newbie too ! I don’t have the answers regarding the use of pheromones. I leave that to the members who responded to your post. Read their journals and feel free to ask questions. Everyone on this site is nice and want to help !
My marriage was on the rocks a few years ago. I was desperate and lost. I finally realized, if my wife and I still had a chance. I had to change my life and take better care of myself. By doing that, you are not being selfish.
Join a gym, eat better, wear nicer looking clothes. That’s just a few simple things. Once you start to begin your journey by taking better care of yourself. Your wife will start to notice. Be patient ! Things don’t happen overnight. Pheromones can and will help. But, they are not the main answer. They are just a small piece of the puzzle to help your marriage. Once you build up your self esteem, everything will start to get better !
I hope everything works out for you and your family ! Hang in there and fight for it . The fact that you want to seek help and not give up is a great sign. Good Luck !

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HI,
Thank you very much about your support.
I will write what happening in my situation regarding mones (should i put here, or should make new threats)?

I have a question: as i often massage my wife, can i spray IS and IH on the pillow, before massage, is this will work?

Best Regards

I steel waiting my mones, the delivery delay, but soon will start.

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You can spray them on the back of your palms. :slight_smile:

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Yea this is an option, i will try :slight_smile:
But the massage before go to bed, i massage her legs and but only (cellulite procedure).
i can not wait til my deliver will arrive, i am exited (because this give me a hope).
All this come, from the polite, that for woman is important how they fill around particular man. We have a lot of baggage in our relation sheep, so it is dose not mater what i do/say, this will be seen as bad/win her back/needy…But if it is by her one, there is chance to open up and see after her wall (that can resist thermo nuclear bomb) :slight_smile:

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The problem is that you will in no way get an accurate measure of dose with spraying on the pillow because you need body heat to make these things diffuse right and are designed to be worn on the skin.

What you will want to do in the mean time is just go with things and sometimes I let things get to me when things are not right in my marriage and I beat a dead horse and it goes no where.

What you will want to do is ease your mind in the mean time and pheromones are part of a much bigger package and the key really is to work on you and try not to stress to much. I have found the hard way that you really can’t change people and even if you do they just resent you and hold in a bitterness towards you.

The little things do go a long way like flowers once in a while or cook her favorite meal and not to expect anything in return. Women do notice these little things and do out of love and don’t expect anything back and have faith it will work out and if it really is your will and you do all this, things will go your way.

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Check this out for other application points. :slight_smile:

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Hi,
Finally today i am expecting the mones to be delivered :slight_smile:. I had big issue with customs.
I will listen to all of you (al dow i am quite impletion), and will use only AMMO for 5 days.

I will start with 2 sprays one on throat and one the hair.
If you have better suggestion please correct me.
Best Regards.

P.S.
Should i start new thread, as journal or continuous write here?

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Good Luck Betheoak ! Let us know how your Ammo worked !

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Good Luck Betheoak ! Let us know how your Ammo worked !

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With the Ammo I would keep on your skin and out of your hair because if you put it in your hair it will not wash out so easy and build up and be a mess.

I would either put the 2 sprays on your neck area like 1 left and 1 right of neck or even 1 to the throat and 1/2 to each wrist or something like this. The main thing is that it gets body heat to diffuse in the air.

The main thing is to have patience especially with your wife because she already has a certain view of you in her mind and it may take her some time to adjust to this “new you” for things to really take off.

Honestly the main thing with all of this is to be just you and have fun with it and not stress to much about the effects and just let things flow and continue to work on the marriage. Once I did this things really took off with my marriage and I had a lot to learn in addition to the pheromones and that the pheromones are part of a much bigger system.

If you have any trouble at all just post or you can send me a PM and I will help in anyway I can and you will have the support you need.

Good Luck and just know you are not alone!

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I vote for a journal! :slight_smile:

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hell All,
Thanks again about you advice and support, since i have wrote, many thing was happened, so i waste all my mones (aka all ammunition in the one battle).
Because of this, i cannot give any reliable results.
So far, i can say that my wife is not affected by Ammunition, IG, MX297.
I felt some good affect By 2 sprays each IO, IH and IS.
When i use A314, 3 sprays, it is seems to affect me in good way, but according my mental condition (jealousy, felt rejected, gilt, anger and so on) i cannot report a correct data.
I tough that i will keep the newbie advice, but the circumstances put me in other way.
How ever this is in the past.
I have order:

             1. P74-Putative P074

  1. CTTM2-Come Talk To Me (V2.0)
    3. TOGO-AMMO/World-AMMUNITION Cologne for Men - TO GO! World EditionSTEALTH

  2. 314-Stealth A314 - Trust and Respect Pheromone Oil for Men

  3. HINEOILM-Shine Oil - Feel Good Pheromone Oil in Stealth for Men
    6. P96OIL-Pheromone P96 Oil 10 mcg/drop - Attraction, Comfort, Seduction, Closeness Oil

  4. MOLECULEC_OIL_M-Molecule C Oil 7.5 mcg/drop for Men

  5. HONESTYOILM-Honesty - Communication Pheromone Oil for Men
    9. FF-P114-5MCG-STEALTH-Hump Day Special! Pheromone Putative P114 5mcg/spray Stealth

  6. From my starter pack i have ToGo TuTH.

I have red as much as possible, about bonding and fallout.
I will star a journal, after next mones delivery. This will be something like win her back journal, and i think we are in our lowest point (bottom, as well as my wife is limerant(fall in love) to other man (we are just friends - speech).
For sure it will be very useful for users in my situation.

I think, every new mones user have to waste some amount of mones :slight_smile:, so i wasted my amount already, so from now one i hope to be wise (they are expensive), and helpful (collect relevant data) to share with this community.
Thanks again.

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I would love to see a journal and people will follow and continue to help you out. I agree these can be expensive and what I would do is test and report back on everything you get and order and apply for RU(Reporting User) as this would help you as you will get discounts on things. It takes a while and you have to be patient, but it is well worth it.

So for your original goal did nothing work at all with the wife?

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So far, not exactly.

Because i did not keep straight line of behavior, from doormat - beta-alpha and back :-(.
Rationally i know what must be done, but jealousy insecurity and resentment, trigger my emotions, and i have done some mistakes.

But, there is a filing in me, that things moving in better place after, i have put mones in this war!. I will be much more observant with next bach mones.
Please advice me, how to behave about her male friend. She is limerent to him (dopamine by communicate/talk/see him for a coffe), he flirt with her friendly. For now in my knowlige (i did my investigation), is EA, from her side sure, from his side is random play/flirty, there is not any signs of PA.
I already confront her, about this and she deny. And that put me in clingy/needy/beta image.
Because my past (my infidelity/years of neglecting/lies and other not pleasant things ), my wife have resentment/disappointment/anger/sadness and so on feel about me, and she refuse to accsept any good/pleasant behavior from me. If she felt attracted/happy/or positive by me, she start be bitter/withdraw/passive aggressive. Take into account, her behavior is influenced by OM (other man/friend), if he withdraw or be interested to communicate with her.

I will continuous posting here about my, situation, how is developed, in the journal will summaries, the observation from mones use.
Any opinion/advise/constructive critics are welcome.
Regards
P.S. there was a book about solve rocky marriages, and there was a diagram, that show the idea:
Attraction inspiration forgiveness, forgiveness allow woman to show more love, a men felt the love of woman feel more confined/show attraction, and the circle go up like spiral.

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I think the problem is more on you.

So I suggest you focus on that first while maintaining a good and open relationship with your wife.

I have to recommend a daily dose of A314 oil combined with Ishine. Whenever she’s around, you must expose her with your A314+IS combo.

The objective here is to let her get used on your new vibe, and at the same time to influence you in a good way, elevating your confidence with a punctuation of happiness in the air.

Now, it would really help you if you can move on from the past. That baggage is not needed if you want to move on with your wife. That baggage affects your congruency, and thus you are unable to act out the A314 and Ishine vibe.

You also have to ignore the jealous feeling you are having. If she told you there’s nothing, then accept it. This is the time to show her that you trust her. After all, trusting her is not the issue because you are the one who committed a mistake. Anyway, showing her that you trust her is another way of telling her that you can be trusted also.

You have to show her that you walk the talk. You must walk the pheromones’ talk. You have to show to your wife what exactly the mones are telling her.

And a confident man never dwells in the past, especially if that past is unhealthy, a bit dark, and bad company.

If you did something wrong, you have to come to terms with yourself first. Be a man and admit your mistake and be a man and commit to a resolve.

Now if you really want to patch everything, and you want to impress your wife, she must see, hear, and feel that you are serious, and you are doing something for that particular resolve.

You also have to understand that this is not a quickie solution. It will take weeks, months and for some, years, for her to be able to trust you again. So you really have to invest your time. Well, if the resolution you want is for her to be by your side until your golden years, time will never be an issue.

Now, if you think she’s picking up something good with the A314 and IS, start introducing a new vibe by employing new mones.

If you want to build up the attraction, start wearing AMMO+IS. A314+IS during the MWF and AMMO+IS on TThS.

If you want to repair the bond/connection, start adding some IH to the A314+IS combo. You have to do this if you think you are ready to hear whatever bombs she is going to let out. Criticism won’t kill us anyway, so there’s no hurt in hearing some. You see, women tend to talk more/much when expressing their feelings, if that happens, let her. Receive everything. After she blurted everything up, her feeling will somehow light up. The good thing about this is that you heard everything, and those are clues on what moves are you going to take next towards winning her back. A lot of users with communication problems have used this combo, some used the IS+IH, and some used the IH+IO+IS combo for this serious one-on-one, heart-to-heart talk and saved their marriage.

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Yes, i understand you, and think in the same way.
This situation is from 3 years 6 months.
Now i think is the moment to start new more constantan behavior of valuable high status man. The mones will support my mental condition (i felt that A314 help me to overcome jealousy and feeling from rejections.

I will kip you update.