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ok nevermind about the other company i really do not know enough about it and what happened.

but back to the unscented issue

i mean if you look at the instant line that even costs $54 to get it unscented?

and with the raw pheros many times we get them so we can mix it with our own colognes in a 10 ml atomizer with our own cologne, how can we do that if it comes with its own scent already?

like i said i understand the reason Steve said becuase people were ordering who did not understand diffusion and how to use it but that does not mean people who have been doing this for a long time should be punished with the prices, that is why my red flag went up and thought greed was involved.

Truth is I am pretty upset when i saw this becuase the unscented is the only product I buy now except for the occasional MX new products that are being released to test.

I just think that customers should be #1 and we are the customers and our voices should be heard, of course not everyone will be happy but at least give us a choice.

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I have also read many of this bloke’s posts ect, I refere to Denec his discriptive writing style i find presents the Smartmones products in a most refreshing and interesting manner, even sold me on his MX292.
I have come to the realisation that he prefers the unscented products and i can understand this because i use mostly unscented also with success.
I choose unscented because i prefere my own colognes, and i am sure Denec would faint if he got a whiff of some of my cologne or edp covers because i dont mind a distinct strong fragrance.

Having said that i can now appreciate using far less cologne/fragrance than i did early last year, somehow i can pick up and detect the scents so much easier now than in the past when i would use say 6 sprays of A Men Angel and now i can use 2 sprays and still appreciate i have sufficient applied. :slight_smile:

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he knows his stuff and hasn’t let me down and unscented + favorite cologne = secret agent man

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I have also used 2 products containing pheros provided by the individual in question, and had success with both.

However, that does not change anything and he did still sell horse hormones, or whatever they turned out to be, as pheromones. He may very well have believed the product to be legitimate and it could very well have been that his supplier or synthesizer screwed him. But, that doesn’t release him from the responsibility of labeling and selling an inferior or bogus product.

As to the hallucinogens, yeah he did break the law, but lets get real what he did wasn’t all that horrific! He didn’t kill or rape anybody and he wasn’t selling crack cocaine to a bunch of teenagers. He was selling DXM over the internet, which is an antitussive and can be found in over the counter cough syrup and cough drops!

Now, for the click fraud against Androtics I say we hang him by his balls and turn him into a piñata!

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I know from Jasmin’s post on the messed up Raw Power Test Pack that they have some idea of who the more experienced/frequent reporters are (They only paid like 13$ for the test pack)

Could it be possible to offer unscented raw phero’s with a much smaller surcharge for that group - it resolves the newbie using unscented phero’s issue no?

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I got to admit rating the other place over us even price wise made me see red for a minute or two LOL Its besides the point though because this is about scent not about that. I know you have never liked AMMO and Pherogame, I didnt think you felt so strongly about Neroli though.

I do understand how you feel. Whether you know it or not Androtics sells a lot of the putatives at cost or sometimes below. They give away a massive amount of freebies all the time. If they give deeper discounts its my fear they will not be here at all. That would leave us with very little choice. I do know they have always made customers priority #1 and I know you know this as well. So before you get upset take a deep breath and wait for there response to your concerns. I cant say they will change there minds, I dont know. I know it came from the top so I assume they will have to check with the lord of the pheromones before they could change anything he has declared. Jasmin may have already posted in the store forum. I didnt look before coming here.

No one is questioning that Denec’ss reports are great and a valuable contribution. A lot of members report in here and products sell off the shelfs when they do as well. They just cant give it all away free to all the great posters. Its not what he is asking for anyway. He just wants a compromise of sorts. If I had the power to grant it I would but I dont.

That hasnt stopped from I understand. Lots of money lost there.
Tisha

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fine, take me out to dinner and all is forgiven :smiley: 5 star of course

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Actually, I was just curious about were all these products I’ve seen mentioned were being bought from, because I wasn’t sure if I was missing out on this abundance of useful products.

I only have one specific question as to pheromone products. I was wondering if there was a SOE spray rather than a roll-on or gel, because the gel seems really easy to “OD” on. I had read about it once before, not sure where.

Thanks,
Dominick

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No SOE is an oil and you cannot spray it on, but what you can do and is something i have done is take a small amber bottle that you can buy almost anywhere with a glass bulb dropper and pour the soe liquid into it and then can use the glass bulb dropper to get exact measurements everytime instead

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I actually bought a couple of those in different sizes, just in case I ever needed them! Thanks for the clarification and advice everyone!:smiley:

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In the early days, before his fall from grace, I acquired 3 items from the unmentionable Mr. HEC: Aquagen, chemset androstenol & Lucky 7 Chemset. The first product, Aquagen, was a supposed commission from LS. It went through several beta stages and was tweaked to be a fine social mix. During this period he was fairly prompt and professional in his customer service. As time went on he got lost, CS fell off the edge and quality out the window. I suspect the Lucky 7 Chemset was merely alcohol in bottles! A shame as he was a capable designer of some talent. I wouldn’t trust my hard earned cash to some so unpredictable and inconsistent. There are enough trust worthy sources and more mones than I have time for.

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Denec, you know I think the world of you, but come on now, that was a rather harsh. How many other phero companies would treat you anywhere near as well as Androtics? Granted, one that I know you’ve bought from probably sent you some free tiny sample vials, but does it match the freebies that you get from Androtics?

I agree with the first and second paragraphs, but not the third. I can almost guarantee that the new company is his, and the new name and people listed as principles of the company are simply fronts. Do a whois lookup on both domains and you’ll find both are registered through Domains by Proxy, Inc. to mask ownership, the domains were updated within days of each other, and when the new site first appeared much of the content was nearly cut and pasted from the old site.

Yeppers!

Well I believe that is the advanced user discount that he, and many others of us get. And, in almost every order I’ve placed there’s been at least a free surprise or 2.

Not from what I’ve heard either. And yeah I’ve heard the amount is huge too.

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Why do some people have to BS, the new site does not even remotely resemble the old site, and the old site did not contain any of the featured consumer products that this new one does.
The old site listed soooo many more raw and also research grade pheromones that the new site does not feature.
The discription of the consumer products and contents is something that was not featured in anywhere as much detail on the old site.
And all featured products on the new site have pictures and representations that were never at all ever present on the old site.
Anyone that has actually used the old site can not even begin to compare it to the present one.
The only things that were had in common was the actual spelling of the raw and research grade pheromones and one science officer.
Everyone knows that the chief science officer has been in the employ of both establishments. But as far as proof of ownership of any or both of these. NO one can produce solid indisputable evidence that he is the principle player of each concern.
Therefore go on and on with the here say and mabys and guesswork untill the cows come home, because it does not make it the truth. Moooo…And as for Horse pheromones, holy shit, please give me Boar mate anyday its cheaper and more effective lol. :slight_smile:

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Denec DOES get this stuff for free or deep discounts.

Not to mention Denec, Politics has nothing to do with it. He IS A CONVICTED FELON.

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My great great grandfather was also a convicted felon, He was shipped from England to Australia for stealing 1/4 loaf of wholemeal and Rye bread from the Royal pantry so as to feed his starving children.

Yes " convicted felon " sure does have a dramatic look about it.

My g g Grandfather G bless his soul, I wonder what they would have done with him had they found out that he was an Arab ha ha.

And after meeting my mother when i was 7 yo, and she told me that my grandfather was an Arab, i did not even know what an Arab was. :slight_smile:

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i think there is a lot of misconceptions and i do not want to create problems among friends, so let me see if I can clear it up sometimes it is hard to do on a message board. First of all this thread went two different directions one about the recent change with regards to price change for unscented products and another about this other company.

  1. I am not trying to get freebies, personally I never cared about freebies. Truth is most freebies I got were 5ml (never recall getting a 30ml but i could be wrong) and most were never anything I needed or wanted but so be it I am not one to complain.

I personally rather have all unscented as a choice and no freebies ever and no points then freebies. I rather be able to choose what i want as a consumer when i am paying my hard earned money.

Yes I understand things are at a discount as a reporting user but it is still expensive when you think it about it. But at least it was unscented.

  1. About the scents - almost everyone knows I am very picky on my scents I own over 30 bottles of perfume and most are very expensive I just bought recently Tom Ford Tobacco Vanille 50ml for $180 from Saks on 5th Ave. Now do you think I want to layer that on top of Neroli or Game scent? After spending my hard earned cash for a beautiful well designed fragrance? No way. This scent is breath taking! and women love it.

Give you an example I was wearing no pheros today and on the way home I was on my way to the train and a lady in her mid thirties was following me and came up TO ME and said I must ask what are you wearing you smell so good! and from there we had an hour conversation all the way home. I call that a hit!

I do not like any of the scents here at all. I can tolerate game, but not everyday, it smells cheap and generic, and can become cloying. I like to wear different scents each day of the week. That is why I love unscented products.

For someone who is an expert at understanding pheros I do not understand why we are being restricted to using scented products?

I understand there are theories about diffusion and what not but for those who understand we should be in a separate group and be able to customize without being charged an enormous amount?

I am not asking for any freebies. If I now want to order say Instant honesty x4 unscented it will cost me $134. There is now way I will be paying that price especially when I have so many other choies of phero brands out there for a lot less. That was really my point.

Now for a while I was testing a lot of your MX products and being stuck with game scent and tolerating it and it was getting really tough especailly since I could not customize it. Just recently i was starting to really get sick of game and MX292 no matter how good MX292 is I don’t know if i am going to be able to even finish this vial up i might just put it away for a few weeks and put it on another time becuase the scent is sickineng to me now. I can only wear a scent for so long before i become tired of it. That is the way I am. then I usually go back to it every few weeks.

Anyway Steve let me a voicemail I guess to discuss this issue with me and he missed me probably due to me talking to this girl I met one the train..sorry steve…but that girl was all over me…and was not about to interrupt LOL

anyway I called you back..but got a voicemail

So now if you look at the 4 major phero companies i know of out there all of them except AD offer unscented without having to pay extra. I do not understand why you are driving people away from here?

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so the question is why does it cost more to come in unscented?

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Hey there Denec, take a look at the other thread about the unscented price. Steve left a post you may find interesting. I think Tisha’s earlier comment about phoning in your order may have been a little off, due to new info she didn’t have. Just a thought… Here’s the link, in case it’s gotten buried by now.

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I have quite a stock of chemset pheromones I got before Mr Schraud went to jail. Enough to keep me going on mixes for several years if I wanted. They have unquestionable pheromone properties. However, they’ve been sitting in a drawer while I’ve been buying unscented Androtics products. The Androtics products smell cleaner. I suspect the chemical synthesis is better. I don’t get as much of the “off” BO smells from the Androtics products. Androtics is more expensive than the stuff sitting unused in my drawer. However, life is short and there is a reason to use the best if it is available within reason.

This stuff about unreasonably high price for unscented Androtics products is new to me. I haven’t placed an order for unscented for a while though. I can see why it’s causing a stir. I also am into high-end perfumes and mixing my own perfume from high-end ingredients. I can do better for my taste than a mass market product. I can (and do) also create unique combos no one else is wearing. On the other hand I’m not above splashing on some Pinaud Bay Rum or the like on occassion. The standard Androtics scents are also fine for occassional wear but they’re not my personal standards.

I guess before my next Androtics order I’ll give Steve a call.

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Its very expensive when we have users that are not experienced buying putatives and reporting that they are not easy to test on the forum. Its bad for research. It completely skews the research and is not at all valuable to us. When user X buys P83 unscented and applies it with his own cologne it provides zero research value. We are currently working closely with some serious perfumers.

The Gurus of pheromones will get preferential treatment, as always!

Of course there will be those who choose to go elsewhere without calling. That’s there choice and I respect it. I know of no other company that treats the members of their forums as great as Androtics does. Just this weekend a member was brought out to Orlando for a training with Richard Bandler. I’m sure those who choose to go elsewhere will expect the same type of service as Androtcs offers. LOL, I’ll just leave that alone.