Thank you to androtics for all you have done, and your fine products. However, I just attempted in vain to make a purchase from your store, and learned some critically bad news for my continued patronage. I want to register my strongest possible protest as a consumer, with not making unscented Ammo available (or even one with just a light, authentic essential oil would be at least doable – and dont tell me the synthetic neroli option is an essential oil, which it isn’t, or light – I received several complaints on even that one for being overwhelmingly strong, and things turned permanently sour with my date just after that happened). If I could somehow work with you people I definitely would. But it is either write this or go away entirely, as there are no more options. It is my favorite product from this site, and is potentially very effective; but doubling the price for the unscented is absolutely outrageous to any rational consumer. I am very close to giving up on this store, as the economic times make purchasing a product like Ammo, where you need only one, one shot product, essential for many like myself. Again, I am not complaining to complain. I am complaining because it is absolutely the last option, to continue using these products, which I would certainly like to do. In consumer terms, this is an act of consumer desperation. The product is for sure unusable as everything stands, and believe me I have gone through a number of bottles of it and would otherwise be a faithful customer. Last time I paid $20 to get it unscented, or whatever it was. The plain truth is that any scent sold here whatsoever is so overwhelming, and synthetic, that there is no possible way for you to choose your own fine cologne or essential oils to wear. You are stuck with what are, frankly, very inexpensive, chemical perfumes at best. I know the company that makes all your scents very well, though I will not mention it by name out of respect, and I am just being truthful. I am very frustrated as I cannot continue to use your products if I cannot wear any of my preferred scents ever again, if I use your product. But I cannot afford to pay double. I have received several complaints recently from trying to wear your scents in addition to my preferred scents. So I tried my best. It flat out doesn’t work! and the statement that the unscented version is only for Master Experts is really silly. Yes we all know pheromones work better with a scent, and that this was the original justification for the statement. But how much of a Master genius does someone need to be to simply apply whatever scent they like with their mones?? The real reason for this policy, and believe me I have had conversations with Jasmine on exactly this issue years ago, is simply the perception by those in charge that only scented products will sell to the unthinking masses, and it is too much trouble to offer both. I understand that as far as it goes, but it is so much more logical to apply pheromones separately from scent, or to at least have an economic option to do so. It is objectively smarter to use pheromones that way, period. Given this, perhaps some leadership and education (marketing) where consumers are concerned would be effective, beyond just pandering to the lowest common denominator of naive users? Is there really no market for those who like to choose their own scent to wear? I think that is equivalent to thinking there is no market for healthcare wherein patients get to choose their own doctor. Choice will never be completely out of fashion in America. This is admittedly a bit passionate and dramatic; because I am passionate about pheromones and scent. I am the creator and producer of a reasonably successful pheromone product myself, which I won’t mention out of respect. But please, please reconsider this policy. It is the only one shot product you all offer, and no one else offers something comparable, in terms of pheromone content (specifically, a little of everything good or essential in an even, balanced dosage). There has to be a market for it, and I really don’t want to make it myself. I certainly would buy truckloads of it over time, and in fact already have used the product quite a bit, back when getting it unscented was possible.. Thanks in advance if anything can be done or tried. (PS: sorry for the lack of formatting, but this site no longer works with my browser)
Sheesh, Doc that was one big honkin’ paragraph! Maybe you should try FireFox, textbox formating is fine and it works on Mac, Windows & UNIX.
Oh, and I strongly agree! I really would prefer unscented options for everything as a standard offering (rather than custom pay way extra). I’m probably not as picky as the doc, but I do greatly prefer my own choice of colognes over AD scents. And, yes, I have stopped using Ammo some months back when it switched to "Game. Don’t care for neroli either. Smells like sour fruit.
Yeah, yeah I know AD scents are scientifically proven to enhance it’s airborne properties, but I’d rather enhance them with my own fav scents and be happy about smelling good.
As I recall, there have been a few threads and polls on unscented options.
It is highly unrecommended because without a cover scent like Neroli, the pheromone alone smells pretty vile. Body odor-ish. Not something very attractive, thats for sure. Its for “Masters Only” because unscented should only be used to experiment with. and as you said, without a diffuser like the Neroli, part of your money would go to waste anyways because it wouldnt diffuse to the maximum potential when unscented. I can understand why you are upset about it being so expensive, but they want to stress how HIGHLY UNRECOMMENDED unscented really is. Perhaps you could give the Androtics guys a phone call directly, and talk to them. understanding your current predicament might make them make you an exception to the rule.
Cheers,
-mco;
Gegogi, I am using Firefox. Increasingly I am having trouble with websites. McoGnv, I am afraid you have fallen for the party line very well, and are repeating it very well. But is just plain objectively smarter to add your own scent, as no scent universally smells good on everyone, not even the best perfumes; and as the scents added here are of average quality because they are synthetic and from a very large fragrance company that mass produces fragrances for every possible consumer use, including dish soap, laundry detergent, closet air fresheners, etc. (I am saying this not at all to be critical, as there is nothing wrong with the fragrances as far as they go, but I have to say it to make my argument) You want to smell good to others, to put it simply, and truth be told, there is no way to reliably smell good unless you try a bunch of scents and go for the best match for your body chemistry. Pheromones do not stink when used appropriately with a cover scent – with a scent of your choice. That is what I am recommending, if you read my post, not that you use them naked. I don’t see how there can even be debate here, unless it is over the economic fears I mentioned, which is going to be what the owners of this business are thinking in rebuttal, I can promise you; though that reasonable concern is obviously nowhere in the marketing materials. There is absolutely no expertise whatsoever required to use unscented pheromones, beyond knowing to use a cover scent, which is more about the power to think at all rather than mastery or expertise. Pheromones are in fact way more effective when used as I recommend, with the best scent for you, no matter how much data you consider. For example, I recently lost a romantic opportunity from trying your way, because I could not add my own variety and quantity of scent. She was hot, too. In order to apply enough pheromones to work I have to OD on the scent as it stands. Women will judge you negatively if they don’t like your smell, believe me. In addition I have recently received several complaints from other women because I have been trying to work with the system as it stands. I am now getting better results from wearing no pheromones, and today was to be the first time I ordered mones in months. There is no way to continue as I have been, unless some other path becomes clear. I may try calling, but I only have a relationship with Jasmine, and she is not answering phones any more, unless I am mistaken.
Honestly, give Steve or Mick a call, they might have something they can do for you.
I will try. But to be honest I do not feel optimistic yet, as the policy has gotten more restrictive toward unscented over time, not less; and because I expressed my opinion to Jasmine on this years ago, when I could nonetheless just buy many products that I could get unscented and combine them to make it work. Also, the couple threads I have seen on the topic back in the day seemed to be met with categorical responses rather than any evidence of flexibility. I thought doing this publically was best to try, as maybe some customers would speak up to lend credence in a way that would matter to the powers that be. Maybe not, but all I have is strong logic, and we all know how effective that is in persuading most big companies to do anything whatsoever.
Yep, I’m afraid this is party line speak. If you read carefully, he’s not interested using these mones without scent, he merely wants to add his choice of scent later. And there are many other fine diffusers out there, both commercial and homebrewed. In fact, many that work far better than Neroli. It doesn’t need to be mixed at the AD factory to work. You can add it later. I’ve been doing it with excellent results for 6 years.
This is FireFox 3.0.1.0. Paragraph formating seems to be working fine. Maybe you need to update or reinstall. Sometimes apps get corrupted.
Hey there Doc,
We have been through this before but the forum is big and you must have missed it.
You are a expert user. Give them a call and they will take care of you. It may sound unfair but certain policies are directed at new members who have little experience with mones and have trouble seeing results starting out with something unscented. They need to go scented at first and once they become experienced and see that the product does work they to can call the store as well.
MHarris has explained that the diffusion and binders are in the scent pack and while yes its simple for you to use mones unscented with your background its not as easy for the average new member.
Anywhoo… Give them a call tomorrow and click on the option for Steve and I am sure he will be happy to hear from you and help you out. Oh and yes you can speak to Jasmin just click on that option and leave a message or give Mick the message and she will get back to you. 
Tisha
Thanks much for your support and attempt to help, Gegogi. 
You are obviously one of the more knowledgeable pheromone users anywhere, and I therefore knew you would agree. I daresay pretty much every grizzled veteran would. I also remember that the polling data in the discussion threads here were quite overwhelmingly in favor of my point of view, at like a 10 to one margin or more. I am also using 3.0.11, which I uninstalled and reinstalled the other day. It is probably one of my, you know, hundred or so addons or extensions. Until I figure it out I will just start using IE (yuck – Microsoft!).
Diffusers and binders are in literally every perfume, cologne and after shave made everywhere. You could use Old Spice, or even roll some cheap deodorant like Speed Stick on. If I put a fixitive or base note (say, benzoin, which is in Old Spice, or sandalwood) and a top note (say, menthol or citrus) in a perfume, I have added a binder and diffuser, respectively. This is therefore an absolute non-issue, since I am recommending people to use a cover scent of their choice. You need no knowledge whatsoever. You just pick literally any perfume, cologne, or eau de toilettte anywhere and apply it. Done. This is therefore a non-issue. It is as easy for a beginner as for an expert, or whatever we are. It’s just hard for me to believe that a beginner can’t understand that they have to use pheromones with a scent of some kind. Someone with significantly below average intelligence should wrap their mind around that just fine. In my experience pheromone users are slightly more curious to learn things than the average person, even if they are just a frat boy trying to get laid. I will indeed call, though. I am not here often, though I have read lots of threads considering, and I know I read at least one thread on this topic thoroughly. I remember the poll data for sure. Thanks tisha for the encouragement!
I understand all this but its the statement Mharris and Jassy have decided to make in the past and while most experienced mone users no better its their store so thats what we go with. Plus its a little more complicated then just a covering or diffusion issue.
I did PM Jassy a while back on this as well. So I will be blunt. They get less returns and complaints from new users who start with the scented products. Many new people don’t understand that unscented doesn’t mean unscented and cant or wont work with the product when it smells so strongly of BO or piss. People seem surprised when they get the unscented product and it has a scent. New users also have a harder time seeing results with unscented even when they cover with there own scent.
Once people use the scented products and see that mones do in fact work they are more willing to wear unscented BO stink with their normal cover scents. Less returns complaints or problems with users.
They have tried many different methods of getting the new people to not jump ahead. I am sure you remember not long ago the new members not being able to buy advanced or custom stuff until they had 1 year of experience with androtics products. People had a fit over that. They tried to work with the consumers who didn’t want to wait and then ran into other problems since advanced and custom are not returnable. Now they use the advanced reporting user method. New users pay a higher price then the reporting users. Customs cost more.
They just cant please every member but they try like hell and this is why we tell you to call. This way if you are a newbie and you call, Steve can fully explain things to them and if your not they will work with you and your request. This company has grown so rapidly they are bound to hit a few bumps along the way. Its not a perfect system but they are working on it. Seems when they try to please one group that wants something it creates problems for another group of users. Calling them is the best way to hear it from the “horses mouth” so to speak and to have your request dealt with. ( I do realize you mentioned you will call I am just mentioning this for other readers)
They did announce a while back that once the AMMO launch happens there will be changes in the store and the forum to reflect this so it wont be a issue any longer but with the economy the way it is everyone is taking a hard hit and Jasmin mentioned in another post that project has slowed a bit and will take longer to happen then expected.
You would think so but you would be surprised how many people are shocked over the smell and while many of us do read the forum and learn about mones some people just dont bother reading past the first few pages. They just want something that works and they dont have to learn or think about and they make mistakes that can be costly to them and the company. Having a high price on the unscented inspires them to call or think twice and research it more before deciding.
Tisha
Hey Doc,
Do you have by any chance NoScript activated on this site? I had the same problem with the editor here and deactivating it for pherotalk.com has helped…
First thing I tried But I definitely appreciate the advice! That was probably the best advice you could have given, otherwise.
Tisha, thanks again. I am now trying to email Jasmin, but apparently my PMs do not work either. So I will call tomorrow. Jasmin just emailed me, having seen this thread, and indicated they would work with me, which was a pleasant suprise.
Yes, now I remember that that was their specific set of issues. Thanks. The one issue I had forgotten was that people order the unscented and then freak out immediately, because it nonetheless smells, before they get around to covering it or trying it. I guess telling them it will stink slightly if it’s not covered, and that this is how you know you got real pheromones that work like the ones in nature is just too much information to process, and people can’t get over their initial suprise at getting, um, exactly what they were told they would get. To me the slight stink of a modest dose just tells me it’s a legitimate product, and not just a can of water like too many sites will try to sell you.
Notwithstanding, the suggestion I had for them at the time, when that issue you just mentioned was raised years ago, was to add a non intrusive, natural scent that is eminently combinable with any scent of a person’s choice, such as a tiny bit of certain essential oils. (The least intrusive scent offered here, synthetic neroli, was still intrusive enough to get me dumped by my date and still overwhelms my preferred scent.) It is a simple solution. That would avoid the whole freak out problem entirely, as well as the other problems. Too bad the fragrance company did not suggest this, for that matter. The fragrance company might have been the original problem, if Jasmin or MHarris did indeed request they try to do this. That was part of their idea behind the so called neroli, I suppose, but the particular scent they ended up providing did not accomplish any of that; and just ended up being another typical corporate fragrance.
But you have to go with your business experiences and make a decision, and only they knew those experiences. I do understand what you are saying.
As far as I personally am concerned, there is no longer a problem because Jasmin has indicated she would work something out, which I appreciate.
DrSmellThis, that’s great that Jasmin and AD are willing to work with you on the matter. If you don’t mind, I’m sure some of us on the forum would be interested in hearing about the results of the collaboration.
YW. I glad Jassy Pm’ed you and its all straightened out. 
I forgot to mention it was good to see you here, dont be a stranger
Tisha
I’ve been dumped a few times but never for wearing a weak scent, albeit a sour one. If something that small causes such a reaction, I’d hate to imagine the consequence if you farted or suffered from doggie breath…
I find citrus based colognes cover neroli easily. Which is fortunate since those are the ones I normally wear and prefer.
FireFox 3.5 was released today. I’m using it now and seems to really rip.
Blame it on the body-builders. Didja ever think that Androtics might be liable is some lughead decided to buy unscented pheros and shoot them straight up? This effectively halts that possibility. And I believe, looking at the web, that the latest-greatest fad of the body builders (who burn through the entire pheromone industry like wild fire) is Androstenone and Androstenol.
Call Amy. I bet you can get Ammo unscented, DrSmellThis. After all you’ve been around a long time and given some awesome feedback.
Diane
Hey, hey! Not all body builders can be blamed. Though I go to the gym regularly, and ‘build’ my body, I’m pretty sure I’m one of the users here whose staples do not revolve around Androstenone. Either way, you could say that the majority of males on this forum, bodybuilder or otherwise, are focused on Androstenone and Androstenol use. I’m not sure what conclusion you can really draw by saying Androstenone and Androstenol are being burned through like wild fire, especially regarding bodybuilders, when you take into account that the entire pheromone industry relies on the use of Androstenone and Androstenol.
I know you probably meant it in jest, but my experience is that people who are serious about body building are actually usually moderately, to highly intelligent. It takes a certain level of focus and understanding to ‘build’ your body, regardless of your personal judgements regarding the aesthetic/medical value of such ‘building’.
Don’t blame the body builders (go ahead on the lugheads though ), blame the people who don’t take the time to read and understand what they are getting into. I knew what ‘unscented’ meant when I first started using pheromones, how did I know? I read. I read and read and read. Somewhere along the line, I read that unscented simply means ‘no additional scent’, not a complete ‘lack of scent’.
Even a friend of mine, who is getting interested in pheromone usage, asks me this and that all the time. I’ll shake my head and tell him to go read the FAQs. The search function and FAQs really take care of the majority of questions you might have. People just seem to have a difficult time utilizing the search function to its full potential (or are unwilling under the guise of “I don’t get it”). I don’t have any idea why that might be, or rather, I’m not going to try and come up with an unbiased theory with supporting evidence 
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Ahem..anyways, I’m just a nerdy jock who defends “meatheads” and “nerds” alike . Both groups are ‘intelligent’ they just have different intelligences (ref: Multiple Intelligences, Howard Gardner).
I feel ya with this whole not being able to get unscented thing. I like the option to cover with whatever scent I want. Plus it makes combos so much easier and you can add as many pheros as you want to the combo without killing people lol