Pheromones and the stimulation of facial hair growth

[mikeladd]

Guys,
I wont give a scientific demo or give a technical reply, but from what I know, as the mones increase the testosterone production, it also increase the hair lost (I mean in the scalp!)
Of course in my case a 100% skin head, I can’t certify that !! but I guess in general culture, alopesia and male baldness is not only due to genetic Baldness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, of course, this is not for scare people, as every body react differently but, it might explain some cases.

[tisha23]

Diane you sound like my brother can you please translate into Tisha talk for us LOL Your talking sexual stimulation, not hair growth correct ?

It hasnt been proven that Anone increases testosterone levels so you hair should be fine

Tisha

[diane999]

@mikeladd

Guys,
I wont give a scientific demo or give a technical reply, but from what I know, as the mones increase the testosterone production, it also increase the hair lost (I mean in the scalp!)
Of course in my case a 100% skin head, I can’t certify that !! but I guess in general culture, alopesia and male baldness is not only due to genetic Baldness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, of course, this is not for scare people, as every body react differently but, it might explain some cases.

I just saw a news article talking about giving children with hypertrichosis (Werewolf Syndrome) testosterone injection to cure the condition. Weird, huh?

Scientists Find Cure For Werewolf Syndrome - Lifestyle - Javno

Diane

Diane

[diane999]

@TheLustEquation

First off, I love this thread

Actually, Vanyel, inhalation of permeable chemical compounds is the quickest way anything can get to your bloodstream (well, I guess IV comes CLOSE ). The common cocaine user will tell you that . Or… even marajuana.

Silliness aside, I’m certain pheromones are not small enough to get through your lung tissue.

It is known that pheromonal response is accomplished through a signal pathway. The pheromones brush over the olfactory bulb (or vomeronasal organ, its in debate with humans), and, having a specific conformation-structure, triggers a nerve impulse (which goes to the brain) where… your brain does tricksy things like tell you your pants will soon explode.

… or … like tell you you’re supposed to wait longer “next cycle” before you ovulate! Because ovulation should be done as though your clan is preparing for a copulation festival!

Oh, here’s a scientific journal for that “copulating at the same time” thing:
http://www.plantpath.wisc.edu/CZA%20WS%20530/Stern_&_McClintock’98.pdf
-its a good read from '98, searchable through Google Scholar (if my link fails).

PS: It should also be said that the signals received by the brain should have the ability to alter your brain’s hormone production. Although, I don’t have a source to cite for that one. It follows that there are some hormonal changes in your body when you simply get “turned on” - by exposure to pheros or otherwise.

Pheromones are very big, very heavy molecules, especially Androstenone.

Diane

[diane999]

@tisha23

Diane you sound like my brother can you please translate into Tisha talk for us LOL Your talking sexual stimulation, not hair growth correct ?

It hasnt been proven that Anone increases testosterone levels so you hair should be fine

Tisha

I’ll try. The study quoted in the 3rd post was shown to be flawed, inadequate, and its findings were insignificant. I felt these were important things to know about the study that was being quoted and linked.

The quote is about Androstenone. This paragraph (below) was the basis for the study that was linked in the same post.

They wanted to test if Androstenone could be a pheromone:

…there is evidence of physiological changes resulting from semiochemical exposure.

Because of Androstenone’s reported effect (from Atzmüller) of lowering testosterone, they wanted to test to see if exposure to androstenone would cause behaviors in men that are social in nature, like working harder, faster, or better, for the whole:

Also studying behavioural effects of semiochemicals at Vienna, Atzmüller (unpublished) reported a significant decrease in testosterone levels in men exposed to androstenone for 15 minutes, when compared with men exposed to a control scent of lemon oil.

At the same time, a significant negative correlation was reported between testosterone levels and co-operative behaviour, i.e. males with high testosterone levels co-operated significantly less than those with lower levels of testosterone. This has implications for the role of androstenone in social behaviour; males who produce high levels of androstenone may well be inducing greater levels of co-operation amongst other males by virtue of the testosterone-reducing effect of a*ndrostenone *exposure.

As for what was written below (if that is what you are referring to above), I wasn’t talking about hair or sexual stimulation. I was talking about the study that was linked in this (3rd) post:

Introduction

The study was about Androstenone and its potential influence on task performance (to show social facilitation behavior) and the potential for chemiosignal (pheromonal) processing in humans - that’s all.

Since the study was linked in this post thread, and many people don’t like wading through a whole study and might take the hypotheses from the study as fact, I thought I’d just provide a shorter synopsis (summary).

The study showed possible trends, but statistical analysis showed the trends could be caused by something else and that Androstenone did not overly influence social behavior in terms of social facilitation (helping/striving). There were some differences in the groups exposed to Androstenone and the groups not exposed to Androstenone. But the differences were statistically insignificant. And that means any number of factors could have influenced or caused the difference, like the time of day (how long until lunch?), or other factors not controlled or accounted for in the study design.

The study was very flawed, and the authors discussed that. What this means is that the study as it was designed and carried out could not support or rule out it’s hypotheses.

Diane

This study was trying to show two things, 1) that in general, semiochemical detection and processing is possible in humans; and 2) that Androstanone, specifically, influences performance in the same way that a present human audience does.

They did see a trend for the easy task to be performed more quickly in the presence of Androstanone, and a trend towards degradation of performance for the hard task in the presence of androstanone. However statistical analysis showed both trends to be non-significant. This suggests the possibility of semiochemical detection, but doesn’t prove it.

The data did not support the hypothesis that Androstanone has the same influence on performance that the presence of an audience has. But because the trend was present it was hypothesized that had the sample size been larger a significance would have been found. That sample size was determined to be 250 individuals - an unwieldy number for further testing.

When an unexpected potential effect based on sex was discovered and analyzed, it also was found to be non-significant.

If you follow the link below and read through the Discussion portion, you will see that there were quite a number of design flaws, which the authors opined were too unwieldy to correct for.

Discussion

Diane

Is that any clearer?

Diane

[diane999]

This is something we could test here:

males who produce high levels of* androstenone may well be inducing greater levels of co-operation** amongst other males by virtue of the testosterone-reducing effect of a**ndrostenone *exposure.

1. Does repeated use of androstenone lower testosterone?

2. Does repeated use of androstenone around other men make you be more social with them and get along better?

3. Does repeated use of androstenone lower your aggression level and your sex drive?

Those three things were suggested by the unpublished study done in Vienna.

But we can’t see the study because it is unpublished, so there is no way to know how it was conducted, or how the authors formed their conclusions, or if the controls were adequate, or how or if the data were statistically analyzed.

There are a lot of unanswered questions:

How much androstenone were the men in the study exposed to?

How did they know androstenone exposure lowered testosterone levels? Did they have controls in place to rule out other factors that might influence testosterone production?

Did they take baseline blood draws before androstenone exposure and do further blood draws and testosterone assays during or after androstenone exposure? How much did the testosterone levels drop? Was it significant?

Why wasn’t the study published?

The only real piece of data give was the exposure time - 15 minutes.

Without more information there’s no way to answer any of these questions, and so for me, the unpublished study is very suspect. And because the unpublished study was the basis for the hypotheses in the follow-on study, I’m not surprised that the data came back as insignificant.

Diane

[tisha23]

Thank you, I know that took some work on your part but it did make the study more clear and understandable. Sometimes those abstracts can give me head pain LOL

Some good ideals for testing.

1. Does repeated use of androstenone lower testosterone?

How could we tell without medical testing ? Is there other indications ?because I cant see people paying for testing.

The other questions are good perhaps a poll of some sort for each one asking the long time users to respond.

Tisha

[diane999]

@tisha23

Thank you, I know that took some work on your part but it did make the study more clear and understandable. Sometimes those abstracts can give me head pain LOL

Some good ideals for testing.

How could we tell without medical testing ? Is there other indications ?because I cant see people paying for testing.

The other questions are good perhaps a poll of some sort for each one asking the long time users to respond.

Tisha

Well, you are right. Without lab testing we can’t prove or disprove testosterone is being lowered. But we can test the social effects that might point towards potential lowering of testosterone.

Three effects of lower testosterone in men are lowered aggression, lower sex drive, and more comfort/ease with other males.

We could look and see if these effects are supported by users of Androstenone.

Diane