Ways to tell if you're a natural Androstenone-Monster (Theory Only)

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Hey guys!

I’m not sure if this has been done earlier - if it’s already been discussed to death forgive me… :wink:

I guess we all can agree that different people have a different pheromone signature. One of the most interesting parts of this signature is the amount of Androstenone that you produce naturally. Androstenone is that one pheromone that’s the hardest to handle for most people, because it’s one of the few you can easily overdose - with possible unpleasant results.

In this thread I’d want to find a way to say if you are already producing lots of androstenone on your own. That might give youngsters a good clue if they OD easily and should be a little more cautious.

Androstenone is a metabolit of Testosterone. So obviously the amount of naturally produced Androstenone is directly dependend on the amount of Testosterone that you produce. So how can you tell if you have a high level of testosterone (and therefore a high level of androstenone)?

  • lots of body and facial hair is an indicator of a high testosterone level
  • if you gain muscle fast when lifting weight you are probably high on testosterone
  • working out (especially weight lifting) raises the production of testosterone
  • different ethnicities have (mostly) different testosterone levels - asians are said to be low in -none (and I’ve never seen an asian with lots of body hair :wink:). black men on the other hand often have relatively high testosterone level. caucasians are probably in between (or maybe up there with the black men? not sure)

There may be more ways to tell, but I’m not sure if they are valid:

  • early loss of hair on your head might indicate high testosterone. the hair loss is directly linked to DHT (DiHydroxyTestosterone), a highly active metabolit of testosterone.
  • a deep voice might hint to high testosterone levels (not sure with this, but it’s been shown that women who take Testosterone injections get a deeper voice)

So if you give yourself 1 point for every positive item on the first list, you will find your probability of having a high androstenone output. As an example here’s this list for myself:

  • I have been growing a beard very early and have lots of body hair (yes, I’m a bear) -> 1 point
  • I’m in the gym several times a week lifting weight (or at least I should be) -> 1 point
  • I’m gaining muscle fast, even while cutting -> 1 point
  • I’m caucasian -> eerrmm 0.5 points (or maybe even 1, not sure here)

So that gives me 3.5 of 4 points - I’m surely a natural androstenone monster! Additionally I’ve started losing hair very early, so this might be another hint. And all in all it reflects the experience I’ve had with products high in -none: I’ve never been able to wear even a single drop of NPA or A7 without bad effects.

I hope this helps a little. Feel free to comment/correct/add.

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Much help, excellent post :slight_smile:

My dad told me the same and I’m sure that’s right

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Thanks! :slight_smile:

I’m just not sure if the hair loss is directly linked to the amount of DHT or if it’s an inherited problem of your hair follicles with DHT in general…

One more thing: I’m positive that the testosterone amount is directly linked to your diet, especially your protein intake. I’ve been a vegan for years and have been eating only very few protein. At this time I could easily get away with 3 sprays of Ammo. Currently I’m back to eating meat and have a high protein intake (around 200g per day) and I’m pretty sure 2 sprays of Ammo have been too much this last weekend.

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Just out of curiosity. I wonder if the administration of ancillary testosterone either in the form of injections or gel packs would have any real effect on -none levels. When you take these supplements they are of course synthetic. When you take synthetic hormones your production of natural testosterone decreases or even stops…So the question is…Does synthetic testosterone convert to -none or is it only the natural testosterone that converts.

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Testosterone is broken down into several metabolites - DHT and androstenone being two of them. If the synthetic testosterone is chemically indentical to the natural one it’s very probably being broken down the same way…

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I’m gonna have to disagree with you there, my friend.

Evolution and Human Behavior 27 (2006) 259–269

Male steroid hormones and female preference for male body odor

Markus J. Rantala, C.J. Peter Eriksson, Anssi Vainikka, Raine Kortet

Abstract

It has been suggested that human scent works as a signal in mate selection, but the empirical evidence is scarce. Here, we examined whether women’s olfactory preferences for a man’s scent could be correlated with his testosterone, estradiol, or cortisol concentrations, and whether these preferences change along with the menstrual cycle. In line with previous studies, women in their most fertile period gave the highest attractiveness ratings to all men. However, the intensity ratings by women at different menstrual phases did not significantly differ statistically. Interestingly, we found that cortisol concentration in saliva correlated positively with the attractiveness but not with the intensity ratings of male T-shirt odor by all women’s groups. However, neither testosterone nor estradiol was significantly associated with the ratings of attractiveness or intensity. Thus, our study suggests that there could be a novel mechanism for odor-based selection in humans.

I believe I can identify with this. I am a large, muscular guy with a deep voice. I gain muscle rather quickly when I work out. And I do it regularly.

But I can get away with quite a bit of androstenone, as well. I have yet to truly OD on it (although I haven’t really tried), and have gone as high as 3 sprays of The Edge. A lot of people can’t even get away with 1.

What does this study have to do with me? Simple… I’m never stressed. Although I haven’t seen any bloodwork numbers (I’ve been meaning to do that) I would say that my cortisol production is on the low end of the spectrum. Even though my testosterone is quite high.

However, I’ve also noticed that if I’ve been very busy or active recently, I get better hits with girls, pheros or no pheros. Not even necessarily stressed… just active. Personally, I think cortisol is an “activity” horomone, not just a “stress” horomone, but that’s another topic for another day.

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Thank you for disagreeing my friend! :smiley:

That study that you’ve cited is very interesting. Fact is androstenone is a metabolite of testosterone (at least if one can trust wikipedia :wink:). BUT, it’s perfectly possible that the conversion of testosterone into androstenone is controlled by other mechanisms than the level of testosterone. Maybe the cortisol level plays an important role here?

Does anyone know about studies concerning the factors of androstenone production in men?

Well, all in all it’s just a theory of mine… :wink:

Oh, btw - I’m almost always very calm, so my stress level is very low. There were times that I didn’t work out at all and had a very sedentary life style, so if the cortisol level is linked to activity and/or stress, it’s been very low then, too. But, I couldn’t take a single drop NPA or A7 or a single spray of The Edge then…

And last point: The women had to rank for attractiveness. I’m not entirely sure if Androstenone is attractive to women? Stimulating, yes!

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True. However there are notable exceptions. The natives of Okinawa are as hairy as Italians. I had a GF from Okinawa and she had really hairly legs. I hardly have any. Below the belt she had a tropical jungle…

I’ve read bacteria skin cultures are also strongly linked to androstenone production. So high T-levels also need funky sweat and bacteria for high androstenone production.

In Japan androstenone is considered so repelling to Japanese women they market special soap and deodorants to mask and/or remove it.

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Hopefully not the kind populated by diverse wildlife…

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The way I’ve heard it is that ~none is not attractive to women, and during fertile periods, it is simply less not attractive to them.

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Its certainly debatable whether or not women find androstenone itself attractive. To me androstenone seems to project a sense of aggression…a heightened sense of male physical prowess. As a metabolite of testosterone, it certainly makes sense that androstenone would be perceived in this manner.

When people say they can smell or feel the testosterone in the air, they could very likely be sensing androstenone!

Just as different women will favor varying levels of male aggression and physical prowess (how much testosterone a guy has), different women will favor different levels of androstenone when we use is synthetically. Being too aggressive, can be irritating and/or imitating to women…this is where OD effects from androstenone come from.

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Wat about me?

I’m asian (filipino), but only half (my other half is finnish). I also go to the gym alot (15 hrs a week). I actually started puberty when I was 10 (I remember noticing little hairs growing down south when I was in the 5th grade). I’m already going bald (I started losing hair at 17 years of age)…

Does that mean I’m producing large amounts of androstenone?

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It means you’re probably more likely to be. But high testosterone levels aren’t the sole determining factor.

Cortisol levels, general health, how often you shower, WHEN you shower, flora on your skin, and how easily you sweat are among the myriad of factors that determine your level of -none.

As I said earlier in this thread, I’m kind of a beefcake like you, but I get away with quite a bit of -none, and I’m only 21. My blood type is A+ so that might have something to do with it as well.

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Yeah, there’s certainly a lot more factors that have to be considered. The amount of sweat is a good one. I myself am a heavy sweater (when working out in the gym I sometimes feel like I’m the only one really working there :smiley:)… So it’s not as easy as I thought it to be!

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Well I know a guy who doesn’t take shower or bath more than 1 - 2 times a week (sometimes 1-2 times a month :frowning: ) and washes his clothes rarely.

Well he smells sweatty and this is not attractive at all, but it is verry strange that when he is close to girls they become attracted to him and spend alot of time with him.:open_mouth: With all the friends we used to make a joke that his sweatty smell is so strong and bad that they get drunk and don’t know what they’re doing.BUT when I heard of pheromones and used them myself, I see where his power over girls comes from.

Obviously androstenone.But this guy has some friendly aura too.Exactly aura 'cause he is not verry interresting talker.He often makes flat jokes and other BS but everyone seems to accept it like the most interresting thing in the whole world.Even I become affected too without knowing what causes this.I can deffinately say that it is androstenol but I don’t know if he uses some product or it’s all natural.Judjung by his hygene and smell, it’s all home-made.:smiley:

What do u think, do men produce alot of Androstenol too?:confused:

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I guess that depends on the individual man. It may be that men who are outgoing and talkative have a naturally high -nol output, which effects themselves. People like me, who are very calm and don’t talk that much, probably have a much lower output of -nol. I guess that’s why I seem to get much more out of social mones like -nols and P74 than out of sexual ones like -none. And that’s the real beauty of pheromone products - you can selectively apply mones that enhance your personality (or how others perceive your personality) in fields that you feel you are lacking!

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I work out, put on muscle very fast, started loosing my hear at 17, deep voice and icelandic(viking :wink: ) genes. Should be interesting when I recieve my Ammo.

I use a DHT inhibitor(finasteride) due to my hairloss, don’t know if it has any effects? Come to think of it my luck with ladies dropped quite alot when I started using it, but that may be because of other factors.

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Hey Bublebob, your post got me to thinking…you think you are overproducing which is causing a small amount of ammo to have negative effects…Have you thought perhaps instead of over producing, maybe instead your body is producing less of…say a pheromone or something =else that has been acting as a buffer for the product? Maybe instead of removing from the ammo mix, maybe you need to add something. I am not a pro (especially when it comes to mens products) but perhaps you need to add something social, like TAA or something. Just a thought that may be worth a try! Take Care! and Good luck!

CC

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Hey CuriousChic (sexy avatar btw :slight_smile:),

I haven’t been wearing Ammo alone, but with a combination of IO, P74 and IS. So the buffers were there. I don’t know - maybe it’s just been a bad day. Or the girl that was around that weekend reacted overly bad to the -none. She’s shown very bad reaction to relatively small amounts of -none before (I remember wearing only 2 dabs of NPA one day and that day she made sure to keep a distance from me of at least a whole meter). I guess that’s the reason why she prefers - like a former friend of hers called them - ‘girly’ men. And indeed, when I wear lots of -nol she reacts very favourably… I guess I won’t ever wear -none again when she’s around.

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I know what you mean, i believe the one i hang around with responds well to rone, as Ascend gets her talkative. Ive noticed that high amounts of enone and some eRone mixed with P96 and P86 also do the same during her fertile period. Im still working the specs, but kind of hard when the window for this kind of testing is 6 days or so long lol. If i have her cycle correct, she left or is leaving the fertile period today and is now on to the lattter part, making her way tp menses again. Not entirely bad since i have A1 coming in soon from Garry :smiley: should be here before she starts… i hope! For this latter part i will be using rone products and A1 around her to see what happens.and other products like Voodoo if roje isn’t an option. I nay use Ascend 1 drop, Voodoo 4 drops, and then 25mcg of A1 over her first week, then cut out the A1, keep Voodoo up, and aftwr a few days start up the A1 again. Im going to try this exposure withdrawal cycle to understand how it works. During her fertile period ill use high eNone, P96, and then Ascend to see if my results are the same as this time. If so, then i may be on to something here and maybe indicate certain factors that could be researched to see if it is evident in other women as well. If all goes good we may have something that could amount to a study which would benifit us guys as well as gals.