Working theory on natural T levels, alpha/beta dynamic, and resistance to enone OD

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I’ve been refining my thoughts on individual differences that may be good predictors for finding the right dose of Androstenone heavy products such as TUTH and IJ.

The factors I’m looking at take into account both the user of the mone and the intended target or demographic.

Please note this a rough working theory and I’m by no means an expert. This is just anecdotal evidence, my observations, and some theorizing.

Discussion and feedback are encouraged. :slight_smile:

I suspect highly masculine men tend to run the risk of OD’ing on enone much easier than guys who don’t naturally produce a lot.

Taking myself for an example, I suspect I don’t produce a lot of Androstenone naturally.
I rarely have body odor, do not have an overtly masculine/aggressive personality, and tend to be of the temperament to watch and observe social interaction instead of injecting myself into the center of it.

While I think I do give off a masculine presence, it is a more subtle and gentle presence than an aggressive or sexual one. I often don’t feel a strong sexual energy in my social interactions, but TUTH has helped me feel that considerably. (I have noticed profound self effects from it)
Anecdotally speaking I have found TUTH to work phenomenally well for me. I have seen no ill effects from it.
(I have not experimented with doses beyond 7.5mcg however)

My point is, I think we can all imagine the type of guy that seems to ooze testosterone and is ready to argue/fight/compete at the drop of a hat.

Obviously, we all differ in our natural mone production.

This is where I think turning a critical eye to oneself and trying to understand how others perceive you and how you regularly come across presents valuable information for tailoring your mone signature correctly.

This leads me into my second point regarding gauging your target or intended target demographic.

I have a suspicion that the women you see repeatedly dating “bad boys” show a stronger affinity for and reaction to Androstenone.

To put things in stereotypical archetype terms, the cheerleader who has dated half the football team will likely respond better to TUTH or IJ than the introverted quiet bookworm who spends most of her time studying in the library.

Anecdotally speaking, one of my coworkers absolutely fits the bill of falling for bad boys. Her type is the aggressive, aloof, hyper masculine, and sexually forward type of guy.
We’ve always gotten along fine as friends, but I have noticed since wearing low doses (2.5-5mcg) of TUTH around her she has been openly flirtatious with me on multiple occasions.

My point here is I believe it is important to take into account two perspectives when trialling your mones.
First, put yourself in the perspective of “other” and try and be mindful of how others perceive you in your social group.
Do you behave differently at work than at the bars? How about when drunk versus sober? Taking these into account will offer valuable information about what mixes to use in each setting.

Secondly, think about your intended target or demographic. Look for patterns and themes you see. If you fancy the cute girl down the hall in your office who always dates Harley riding whiskey drinking badasses, then having an aggressive edge to your mone signature may be advantageous to you. :cool:

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Definitely agree that some girls/women respond better to high-NONE signatures than others.

IME this would often be girls attracted to/getting off on ‘drama’.

Personal observation have taught me over my years of experimentation with pheromones that a certain subset of younger women which can be described as having ‘daddy issues’ tend to respond much more to the high-RONE signature of A314.

So for straight sex and pick up i.e. ONS-type connections, a high-NONE signature is more effective whereas for romantic relationships the none needs to be dialed back at least in the initial phase before a regular sexual relationship is established, after that it’s fine to really ramp up the none when the woman is comfortable and sure you’re not a crazy rapist :wink:

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Agreed with this 100%

I believe that the more attractive, higher estrogen woman will naturally be attracted to the hormonal polar opposite.

I’ve noticed as my testosterone levels naturally increased, I had a desire for curvier women. When my testosterone levels were lower, I preferred skinnier.

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This is great! I also have done a lot of experimenting and hypothesizing regarding this subject.

But please be realistic…

The Cheerleader who dates the football captain likes enone???

Which girl in school does NOT like the Football Captain???

Which boys are not attracted to the cheerleaders???

Boys and girls are attracted to good looking, confident, fun people. That’s it!!!

Do you think the nerdy boy who dates the nerdy girl is really attracted to the nerdy girlfriend more than the cheerleaders??? Think about this for a minute.

Pheromones affect our “comfortability”, or the “comfortability” of our minds, and how our minds react.

I have proved that the nerdy girl responds the same during sex as the Playboy model.

I have also been studying this across different cultures and ethnicities.

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I understand your point, but I don’t think this is exactly true. People with high or healthy hormone levels are attractive, and are hungry for sex, and sexual partners.

I monitor my hormone levels closely, and have not seen a change in my preference for types of women. When I’m horny, or my T levels are high…I’m attracted to ALL women.

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I wanted to thank you for sharing this as this definitively fits me all the way. I have always taken lots of supplements and taken care of myself the last 10 years and totally prefer curvy women. When I was 30 lbs heavier and drank and was way out of shape I preferred thinner women.

I do notice when my test levels are higher I have to lower me Enone use in mixes a little or slightly buffer it harder with socials, so there is something ot this.

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Wanted to throw in my two cents too as I’ve seen a similar pattern. The times I feel extra masculine are the same times I find myself more attracted to stereotypically feminine features.

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I see your point, but I still believe it’s more nuanced than that.
However it’s also worth noting that my example was meant as a very broad and stereotypical caricature of the archetypes we see in the high school/college setting.

I believe pheromones act as chemical messengers that give us all sorts of subconscious information about sexual traits, genetic fitness, desirability, ovulation, status, aggression, and so on.

Without a doubt they influence us and our choices BUT they don’t necessarily trump the logic of our prefrontal cortex.

So in my example about the bookish girl: While it is true the captain of the football team may possess stereotypically attractive pheromones that the bookish girl would likely respond well to, the other aspects of his personality, self presentation, and social standing may interfere with her feeling attraction to him (prefrontal reasoning and judgement getting in the way of pure chemical attraction)

Which goes back to the enone situation.
I think enone does work great and I think many women will likely respond well to it, but it is very circumstantial.

The bookish girl will not feel comfortable with an overt sexual vibe (even if she may love the overt sexual vibe behind closed doors after comfort has been built)

However the cheerleader girl may feel more comfortable with the overt sexuality and therefore appear to respond better to it than the bookish girl.

My point is that the pheromones send the same message, but how that message is interpreted and responded to is very context dependent and varies across each individual.
However, I think there are patterns of certain archetypes of individuals who will consistently respond well to certain pheromonal messages.

My goal is to work with members of the community to help outline what those may be and draw up rough guides of how to tailor your pheromonal message to best be received by your intended target or audience.

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I once watched a documentary on grey wolves. In short by the middle of the showing the footage demonstrated a adolescent male dominating all of the fully grown animals of the pack, a rather small one at that. Of lesser importance to the point was these wolves were conditioned to adulate the presence of the camera crew as they brought them food, and also introduced these young pups in the beginning through a fenced enclosure. The response was very paternalistic, licking, intense the kind. Anywho… what makes the young wolf the big time take no shit run the show sort of mini alpha? Lets go back to the concept social species must cooperate. We seemingly in recent times forget culturally a question. What sort of assortment comes from DNA itself? I mean, are humans any different… would it be socially acceptable to come to find out dating websites and starlight has any remote inkling on disposition in man? Are some of born to the inclination of wanting to follow, to be more jovial, and others more naturally signaling even in our pheromone nondiscriptions, more transcriptions… im the leader, now allow my reproductive strategy pulsate your temple as the neuroadrenaline spikes sufficiently enough to select with a shaking finger in silence, THAT ONE, THAT ONE DEFINITELY! We could have riots, perhaps mass suicides if this sort of, realism, what have you were irrevocably downloaded into all human conscious awareness. Until that day, famous men of quotation were largely unread and remained distillation to the intellectualist and the… you could say, deeper minded perhaps driven by an innate boredom with irrelevance found by our genetic proclivity to, outpace others, in our productions, for that sort of honesty.

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As far as effects on others over the past 8 years, women who are Hispanic or Black genetically are able to handle higher levels of androstenone at a younger age. White women tolerate a higher amount as they get older, such as over 30’s will handle a higher level better. Asians generally produce less enone and so asian women generally do not do well with men who have higher levels. As a woman gets closer to her ovulation, her ability to smell actually becomes more acute and she will find the scent of men with higher levels of androstenone more appealing during this period for those women not on birth control pills. Men who have higher levels have been found to have far more lifetime sexual partners. The ability for women to also smell Androstenone is genetically determined. About 50% cant smell it at all. For the rest, there are two main genetic variants, an RT code where people had stronger response and found it more of a negative urinous/sweaty smell (but more neutral during ovulation for these people), and a WM variant that is a impaired reaction and describe it as more sweet and pleasant, floral type smell. For those who have a neg reaction, a pleasant cover scent or even better the ‘stealth’ cover should work better.

Men with a higher level of testosterone such as those who are muscular/fit, black/hispanic races, younger or more ‘masculine’ men will have a higher level of natural androsteNone and will do better with social product that contains less or even sometimes no androstenone, or lower doses of those blends that contain it. Those with a lower T level will do better playing with a higher dose keeping in mind the above race hits to adjust the dosing. Using more androstenone with natural higher levels will stop attracting people when it goes over their tolerance. It also causes aggression in men at higher levels if unbuffered. So you have to adjust the ‘race’ project to compensate for your higher or lower natural enone as well such as +/- 0.5. In general blends with trust, fun/flirty, or social properties help alot, as a woman may not feel comfortable to act solely on a sexual attraction unless they know you already. Someone who is overweight as Michael pointed out has a higher estrogen level, will have a higher baseline of Androstenol (and generally gets friendly, non sexual responses) may be someone that might get away with just using the sexual without the added socials on the other extreme…