Hmmm, im half asleep and thinking of writing a letter to my gf whos half the world away
and suddenly i had a brainstorm what if i spray the letter with some pheros… Woohoo… lol
Would the phero illicit a reaction in her? I wonder, IS for starters, maybe some ammo (i always wear it when im around her) and a half drop of A314 or a squirt of mx292. lol it might sound like a crazy idea but what do you guys think? Is it a plausible idea?
Hmm, i dunno, my good man. How long does it take for a letter to reach her? I mean, cologne lasts 2-3 days or so when sprayed heavily on a shirt, so i doubt that there’d be any phero’s left on it and i’d even doubt there’d be a scent left. But that’s just my two cents. Give it a whirl if ya want, nothing to lose. ![]()
If you can get the letter to her in 4 to 6 hours maybe. Mones will diffuse with exposure to heat and its hot as hell in those mail trucks.
The mail man may really dig ya though LOL
Remember when they spray the androtics packages its inside the bubble wrap which wont allow it to diffuse. paper is porous
Tisha
Androstenone will linger on paper or cloth for weeks. I dully sprayed TE on a leather jacket and could smell it for months. The problem is she may wonder if you pissed on the letter!
I put SOE oil on my promotion dossier 5 years ago and signed it with a LS mone pen. Don’t know if it helped but I got promoted…
It’s been proven that pheromones work only under social influence. There are some lab studies on pubmed.gov that prove this, specifically with regards to androstadienone, (but this can be generalized to all pheromones).
In other words, even if they did stay on the paper long enough to get there, there will be no elicited response because you are not there in person.
Snort, True anone can stick but do you really want her to get horny when the mail man comes. Some of us look pretty good and can be quite charming
LOL
Tisha
Please, are you kidding me? You gotta be yanking our collective chains! Those studies gotta be a massive steaming pile 'o bullshit. What about all the people on this forum claiming self-effects when testing mones by themselves? Are they imagining the various influences? Lying? Or could it be your lab studies are fatally flawed…
Hmm. Well, I don’t know about self-effects. Honestly, I have always attributed that to a placebo effect. Somebody needs to do an experiment - grab a couple of different pheros, take off the labels, and get a few random people to report their self-effects to see if there is any consistency. Of course, I’m also very biased. I experience no self-effects whatsoever.
Does it really surprise you that pheromones don’t do anything by themselves? (At least, based off of the experiments I’ve read.) I’m okay with this because it actually makes sense.
Let’s say we have some woman walking down the street. She walks past Catlord or some guy wearing a whole bunch of -none. Now, she might pick up on that high -none signature, but she doesn’t actually know why she has this momentary fleeting sexual attraction. It has to be attributed to something, so she’ll probably attribute it to something else, “Catlord is sexy.”
But, if the same scenario happened with somebody really unattractive, I imagine she’d walk right past Bruno and completely ignore him, probably blocking out the half bottle of Ammo he’s wearing entirely, because social influence comes first.
I think that the pheromones have to line up correctly with social influence in order for them to work. Otherwise, I believe that we are unaffected by them entirely.
Food for thought.
have you ever tried to tickle yourself to the point of laughing? nope. you cant. someone has to do it for you.
so… the social aspect will still be there, because you’ve used a plastic envelope, and your steamy love letter will remind your girlfriend of you while she’s smelling the letter.
it can be the same association as the ‘old boyfriends teeshirt’ theory.
Actually I experience little self-effects, but initially I did endure some pretty intense ones. GRadually faded with regular use. Same problems with weed, pain-killers, etc.
Their are plenty of scientific studies detailing human biological responses to mones. Biological responses don’t necessarily translate into behavior changes as we all have painfully learned. But, yeah, obviously mones work best in a social context.
I recall a “scientific study” (I thought it was a bit weak) where women sniffed cotton pads spiked with male mones (androsterone) and were asked to react to the scent. Apparently during ovulation women found the scent okay or even pleasant while being repelled by it at other points in their cycle. No social context but nevertheless a differences in response according to the point in their mensural cycle.
I think we are forgetting something
We are social creatures, all operating under social conditioning whether others are present or not. We are motivated by emotional responses, and that alone is what drives a social environment. So how can we say that social context is ever absent? We cant.
Are you saying that there can be a biological change and it will not affect ones actions at all? That’s contradictory to everything we know about living organisms.
Biological responses influence behavior, however slight. Behavior is a cognitive facility which is influenced by thought, and thought is driven by emotion responses motivated by external\internal stimuli. In order for the biological not to influence behavior, the two processes would have to operate independently.![]()
Actually, that has been done already… hasn’t it, Tisha?
Weren’t not writing about the same thing. I’ll make it clearer for you: I was referring to wearing sexual or social mones, directing attention towards a target and getting ignored. At some level she detected the mones, generated an internal response but choose to ignore it because she found you undesirable. Maybe she’s married, thinks you look like a fuckin’ geek, is worried about her mother or is gay…the reason doesn’t matter. So she doesn’t smile back, respond to your questions and/or walks off. That’s what I’m writing about.
I was referring to a couple of studies on androstadienone, double-blind and peer-reviewed, where it was shown that the (mood-enhancement) responses were only had when there was a male present.
So, this makes it look to me as if we might not even experience responses to pheromones on a biological level if it’s not “socially acceptable” for this to happen.
I don’t know if this can be generalized to other pheromones, though, it might only be androstadienone.
But that would mean that the results gathered on this forum, women using IFM to help PMS symptoms, is invalid. I’ve heard that some women don’t get any self effects at all when using IFM and read that it also helps great for others. So, maybe it is just that some people don’t really respond to androstadienone the same way as others typically report.
Well, yes, it would imply that. Placebo effect, anybody? Not to offend anyone. But the studies do seem to imply this.
Speculation won’t get us anywhere, but we could try and get people to participate in a blind test, were some women use androstadienone during their cycle and others receive a placebo during that period and both groups record their reactions, if any. What do you think?
Good idea.
Also, it is quite possible that there can be self-effects without social influence with androstadienone during PMS. The sensitivity could shoot way up, as the sense of smell and sensitivity to -none does with the monthly cycle. I honestly don’t know. The study didn’t take take any of this into consideration.
When I can, I’ll create a poll in the women’s section to see who would be willing to do the test, or variation thereupon. ![]()
I’m not sure how “social” sniffing bottles of A1 in a college lab is but these women did demonstrate a biological response. Whether or not these biological responses manifest themselves in physical behavior is dependent on the individual and other persons present. I’m guessing a doggie breath lab assistant probably didn’t inspire too many participants to act on their mood enhancement or arousal.
I would like to apologize to all - I have done more digging and have changed my opinions about what I said earlier.
I was able to find about six or seven studies on pubmed.gov that show A1 having biological effects without the presence of a male. There is the one that claims that it only works if the experimenter is male, but this appears incorrect because I found this information in only one of the thirty or so A1-related studies in total which show a response, biological or behavioral.
I hadn’t done enough research, and I was wrong. It appears that A1 does work as a pheromone without social influence.
Again, sorry to everybody, I was apparently giving out incorrect information.