It seems these products are very similiar, i know it terms of price/quanity peroproof is a better option but what i wanna know is which one is more effecitve?
More effective for what? They smell almost exactly the same so both are equally effective as cologne. I’ve been wearing both for a little while and my initial reaction is they’re equally good but at different things.
Ammo is ideal as a stand alone for work and social use as it enhanced my persona with a friendly vibe and underlying sensual undertones. I’ve worn it to work for a couple weeks and it’s a good fit.
PP has similar attributes but balanced stronger on the sensual side. Makes my female students and colleagues follow me around and grope for silly excuses to talk to me. Probably not the best fit for work but I enjoyed making the most of the tease.
Incidentally I tried “sexing” up Ammo with more androstenone, and it worked, but I didn’t get the happy puppy dog reaction from women that PP enabled.
I think both belong in any serious pherodict’s messenger bag. Of course your milege may vary as your persona, acting skills, appearance are always the overriding factors.
Can u use pheroproof in the same mixes that ammo is commenly in? Would the mixes just be slightly more sexual? I ask because there is alot of proven mixes w/ ammo but w/ pheroproof there seems 2 be very few.
I don’t think any particular mix is “proven” until you try it and it works for your persona, body chemistry and goals. Many mixes written on this forum don’t work well for me. I normally have to tweak them, sometimes radically for best results. With that said, PP ships with a bottle of androstenol and androstenone and thus is ready outta da box ta geekout if you’re the mad scientist type. More Androstenol for stronger social vibe or more Androstenone if you’re an androstenone deficient old man. I tried PP a couple times with CTTM and it was an evil 'n crazy combo.
In my estimation PP is more than “slightly more sexual” than Ammo. I reckon it’s one level up.
i tried them both and they seem exactly the same to me.. I only noticed hits with PP.
They smell the same to me too.. are they the same?
This sums up the differences so well!!
I PMed Futurist, and this is what he said about mixing it with Instant shine, openness and honesty. This is what he said:
"Those things usually just screw it up. When you add those products in there, you’re just changing the formula. There’s a reason why it took years to perfect the formula. "
I imagine for someone of my age adding Androstenone to PP would would be overkill, even a possible OD? But adding the right amount adrostenol to a more social setting such as a club or party would be benificial?
So, PP it is 
both ammo and pp are both premixed pheros, meaning they are already a mix by themselves. i have heard that pp buffers the -none beter than ammo tho so its easier to use for new perople
For those of you that believe in PheroProof … how many sprays are you applying, and have you found it does better by adding other products or on its own?
Thanks!
Three sprays is my limit. Adding a drop or two A314 and some Liquid Sunshine reduces the none problems to near zero!
3 or 4 zaps does me well. I found it’s pretty complete in itself for a strong sensual social vibe. However I tried it with CTTM a few times and womenfolk were following me around like I was the Pied Piper and babbling endlessly.
I also added a couple sprays of extra -none with excellent results. Not a good social mix but perfect for a hot date or drunken party with women galore.
For best results, I find I need to refresh every 3 or 4 hours with another zap.
Incidentally, I’m a 'noneless Asian and can wear plenty 'o androstenone with no ill-effects.
I did exactly this dose and definately got an OD.
I’m a caucasian in my late 40s.
In regards to ODing, part of it is how you use it as well as the environment. What’s an OD curling up on the couch with your significant other may not be an OD in a public space looking to attract strangers or what have you. Not saying that’s the case for how your OD in particular, but people have all sorts of different aims, besides natural chemistry and signature. Dosage should be shifted accordingly.
Quite right. The dose mentioned caused people in public places like markets to avoid me. My wife liked it.