This is an open communication approach to getting girls… So I would think socials are in order as well as maybe some sexuals…
Well what mones signatures work well?
I used to like Ammo Summer p75 but find I have trouble conversing with it on…I find it CLUTTERS up the brain and doesn’t lead to FLOWING conversations..Conversations are too short as its an edgey product that may create intimidation. Perhaps its too sexy and more suited for sexual situations and not bonding.
I think I like IS AMMO, IH, IO much better. What do you think? Do you think the open communication vibe of IO IH and IS will foster a more social environment conducive to this type of pickup and seduction strategy? I only use 1 spray ammo, 3 sprays IO IH, and 3 sprays IS. I’m an intimidating guy not in stature but because I don’t say much… I need something to get more verbal communication going for Vin’s particular approach!
Anyone think of other mones that may better suit this PARTICULAR type of approach and strategy with YOUNG 20 something caucasion women? i wanna get smooth conversation flowing and the mind has to be clear NOT horny or overdosed with none where AGGRESSION may kick in etc.. Definitely not the approach for clubs and bars… Talking about dinners here.. Maybe coffee houses too after dinners. Maybe lunches on the lakefront.
Night clubs and bars are not my thing at this stage of the game. Please mone suggestions for Vin’s particular strategy ONLY!
p.s. there will always be likers and haters of anyone particular strategy.. I like his strategy. I’m not asking if you agree with Vin’s approach or not but rather what mone sigs go with it… thanks again!
Pheromonally, I think sticking what makes you comfortable is best. Ammo and IO and Ishine would work well. If your wearing a mix or putative that your not yet in sync with its just going to make his approach harder for you.
The P75 is probably whats cluttering your mind. Its very cerebral. It could be you need to play with your dosage more with that one or use it in other scenarios. This is not to say you cant use P75 or any other mone for that matter. I think you may just need to experiment more with dosage and what fits your natural chemistry and personality. Now I am not saying to run out and buy more. Just dont count any of the ones you have out totally until you try them in different scenarios
On “Vins” approach…
You know me well enough by now to know I would have
an opinion on that.
Do you really think women are that stupid ?
Pandoras box the way he is presenting it in his presentation is a scam or lets say a gross exaggeration. Its just your basic PUA/NLP material. Just like there is no magic pheromones that will make a girl do what you want there are no magic phrases that can make any and every girl jump on your dick. There are no magic phrases that will help you read her mind or bypass her logical mind.
What “Vin” who is not real by the way is going to teach in his video is the basic techniques of persuasion and influence. Yes there are techniques that can increase your odds of getting what you want. I have always said its not what you say but the way you say it.
Now I am not going to tell you not to do his program because you may related best to the way he teaches influence and persuasion as opposed to… lets say Richard Bandler but you can learn these techniques all over the net and in countless books. I personally wouldn’t endorse or encourage people to purchase this program simply because the seller is blowing smoke up your ass and using those same techniques he is about to teach you to sell you his product. See he didnt bypass my conscious mind LOL
So if you have the money to blow then its up to you, just dont be disappointed when you find out there is no magic. Learning persuasion takes time and effort.
Because not only is this new material based off of marketing techniques, it is also a “too good to be true” thing that put most off.
Now I am open minded and wouldnt instantly avoid looking into it but for me trusting and reliable opinions would help me decide on whether to try it hence I ask - how much have you used of it?
Be happy to hear any moments you’ve shared after using this product
p/s tisha vindicarlo is a real person lol. Not sure if you were aware of that while posting.
I worded that wrong, my bad, yes he is a real live person, he is just not who he is descibed to be in the presentation. He is just another pick up guru trying to make a buck and not above lieing to do it. The depiction of him is part of that marketing ploy.
Again I am not saying that the info they are selling will not be useful to some. Some PUA stuff is helpful to people. However its not info you cant get in other venues and its not some miracle to getting laid.
Exactly what do you suggest I do with a girl who had told me a few months back that shes wants our contact to remain professional and at work, yet when I see her at work and wear IO IH Ammo IS she opens up to me more than usual?
You seem to dislike Vin’s approach.. Fair enough but at least he is giving me SOMETHING to say. I am at a loss for how I should approach her and push for a date without being intrusive.. the truth is I never asked her out, and she does talk to me more at work but seems to be very into her schooling life.
She is busy at work and doesn’t have much time to talk especially during the busy festive season. How do I set up the date details with such a short window of opportunity..
I have her number but she had texted me a while back stating she wanted to be professional and keep contact at work only and not over the phone..
It might of been a bitch shield.. She is beautiful and probably gets approached a lot .. What can I say or do to persuade her in a genuine fashion?
I was thinking:
Sorry i feel this is awkward and I’m a bit shy but I think your sweet and I wanted to ask you on a date..
Have you ever been to Red Lobster down on Burman and Mav?
You tell me when your free and I will take you there.
END OF STORY… I ask.. I leave it up to her busy schedule to find an opening. never bring up the subject again.
Ah hold on tisha. I know your opinion is strong about this and I agree with it being a marketing ploy but no one here can state it does or doesnt work definitively.
Sure people can say they’ve had success or some deny it works however saying it is something based on strong opinion can put people off from trying it. Like chicken little the sky is falling only people believe it.
If you are for instance trying to stop people wasting their money then kudos I agree with you, but its good to keep an open mind.
Curiosity here but tisha have you ever experienced anyone trying this with you? or do you know anyone learning it? thanks
I think you hit the head on the nail. Tisha has some hangups about PUA in general and maybe she’s been influenced or used by one before, I don’t know, but in general there is a difference between not liking PUA material and it not working.
For example before I read Tisha’s post I was in an upbeat mood and this Vin Dicarlo guy gave me something to say.. Whether it would work or not it would of been gold in my mind and I would of expressed myself positively. the positive outlook alone in my tone of voice, posture etc would of probably made it work.
Now here tisha comes along ripping him apart and now my own optimism about it is gone, my confidence about it working is gone, and you know what it probably won’t work because my tone of voice, positive posture, increased confidence etc is all shot because of this negative analysis.
So now that DOUBT has entered my mind teh chance of me making it work is gone. this is why i asked for people not to comment on whether or not it worked but to apply mone strategies.
Imagine you had gold in your hands but convinced the world it was dust. Who would want it?
BTW I appreciate your opinions and your entitled to them, its just sometimes it removes all the oil out of my engine.
I would add that information isn’t alone doesn’t help.
Learning NLP is something that takes real practice.
One NLP trainer I know used to ask people for previous NLP experience. If someone says he read 5 NLP books beforehand but took no NLP seminar he takes it as them saying they have no experience.
This promotional videos is so over the top, it’s quite funny.
You have a product that seems to be at least half a year old which is supposed to be limited to 100 people and there are 3000 people watching the video the moment you are watching the program.
The guy claims making 1000’s a day from coaching and yet wants to sell his program for 69$*100=6900$.
If you buy a PUA product, why not at least buy a product from someone who isn’t blatantly lying to you?
Not being open minded to people that lie to you is a perfectly reasonable strategy.
Mostly people who are good at persuasion put in time and effort to learn to be good. Vin Dicarlo tries to sell people on the idea that they don’t have to put in any effort when they pay him 69$ for his infoproduct.
Women will just throw themselves at you without you having to do anything that’s risky or out of comfort zone.
Yes, go ahead and ask. Afterwards you either have a date with her or you don’t and you can shift your attention to other woman.
Also, start to make your own judgments. If you blame the wrong pheromones or the wrong PUA tricks for your lack of success, than it’s unlikely to move you forward.
Over the long term you have to make decisions. Some of those decisions will be good. Others will be bad. With time you learn.
If you try to escape all responsibility that gets in the way of learning.
Umm… I suggest you both go back and read what I wrote again.
I have absolutely no hang ups when it comes to PUA. While I am not a PUA coach I have use many PUA and NLP techniques in my coaching over the years.
Twice I stated
Yes I dislike his marketing ploy. Its unrealistic and exaggerated. I dislike the way he misrepresents the info he is selling.
I am not saying not to use his approach nor did I say what he teaches is bad. Just dont expect women to… excuse my crudeness… jump on your dick and fuck your brains out because its not going to happen from three little sentences. That doesn’t mean what he is teaching is totally useless to you.
I am a strong personality but no where do I believe my opinion was strong. More then once I stated that I was not telling people not to try it.
Would you rather I lie to you ? Sorry I dont do that. Just like I wont tell you mones will do it all for you.
Look at that the other way around. Imagine you had dust in your hand and I convinced you it was gold. That would be more harm to your self esteem when you found out the truth. If you had gold I would have told you its gold but Vin will sell you the dust and tell you its gold.
My opinion of Pandora’s box should not affect your self esteem or confidence in yourself at all. However when you buy his program and it fails to do what his presentation suggests thats gonna affect it. So because your my Internet friend I give you my true opinion. What you do with it is up to you.
I never said his approach would do everything to get me laid.. I simply wanted a means to talk more to women and I have little to say so I thought that link I posted thought out some good ideas to ask a woman various questions and get her talking before asking for the digits… or even conversations for a first date.. I didn’t say it was magic for getting laid.. For that you need the whole package (looks, clothes, car, personality, height, job , youth etc) not one or two things.
What upset me was thinking his advice has no place in the social market.. that particular link (Not his program) offers great advice and it works.. you know why i know it works … tonight I tested it on my SO.. We have a great conversation and she felt very connected to me.
She says we never talked so much in months. Now she is my SO so she’s more open to talking about her feelings, but I think most women talk about their feelings to other girls too.. So they are used to discussing these things. if that’s all you talk about sure you may come across as a beta wimpy gay guy whose better off as her therapist.. But if you weave that into conversation with jokes, statements and observations, and show genuine interest in other ways (holding hands) Taking her toa nice restaurant for dinner, paying for dinner, do you really think you won’t end up with a kiss, necking, or a second date or more as things progress?
Tisha and myself mostly responded to the video that shows all the signs of being created by a conman who wants to manipulate guys who aren’t willing to put in any effort to shill out $69. If you understand patterns of manipulation and watch the video you can spot tons of them.
Given that those patterns are there and the video doesn’t say much about what the program is about, it’s a good guess to think that the program is about teaching manipulative patterns.
As far as building a connection with a girl talking about what the girl cares about can work. It’s surely better than not knowing what to say.
I too said I agreed the video was there to simply draw people in to spending money. Content wise it actually makes it easier to converse if you know what to say.
I too think his PRODUCT is a scam.. i purchased it last year so I know all about it.. i ended up cancelling on him and getting a refund.
But in terms of this link talking about how to talk to women I feel it is gold.. many of us run out of things to say so it helps create a connection. It gives you something to get social about when its time to be social.. Doesn’t mean she’ll fuck your brains out but sure beats staying quiet and just eating your meal in silence.
Because this is not a pick up science forum, it could be that people on the forum won’t be able to relate to the material or techniques without going through the process of it themselves.
Like some people said any system or method could work if you put in the time and effort to practise and learn. I’ve reviewed the link you have posted and after reading it a few times I noticed I use the same structure without the NLP techniques, it doesn’t discuss attraction though, it mainly focusses on the comfort aspect of the pick up, this structure also works in the club but after establishing attraction with a girl first.
There’s just one important thing missing in that post and that is showing interest in the girl’s personality and appreciating her for who she is after she shared her personal feelings and life stories with you. Make her feel special.
You could say 'I’m glad that I have met you, I love your attitude/you’re fun to be around/you seem to know what you want etc.. then comparing that statement with other people like 'most people are inconsiderate of other people’s feelings/most people have no clue of what they want etc.. then ask her why she is that way.. 'what makes you so caring of people/what is it that makes you so confident in yourself etc..
This part of the comfort aspect of the pick up is so important, especially in clubs actually, without going through it the girl isn’t going home with me, just by taking an interest in the girl as a person you will stand out and the girl will feel she’s able to connect with you, you should feel that connection as well if your interest in her is genuine. After this you could take her number or ask her out on a date.
Pheromone products you could use, definitely IO and IH in equal amounts, IS if you feel like it and AMMO for attraction.
