I have read mostly in David D’s stuff that he can get you to the “3-Month stage” then it’s up to you so to speak. Mones seem to give you that helping hand as long as your congruent with the signature indefinitely. Is it possible that even mones after extended use on someone could lose effectiveness?? For example, using TUTH to get your wife more into the mood. Does it wear out in effectiveness or does it effect the sub-conscience??? I realize mones aren’t magic and you have to do the work yourself, but bear with me for the topic of discussion.
To me there is a difference between PUA and becoming a better man for LTR type relationships. I hate to use the word “gimmicks”, but that is IMO what PUA does makes a “game” out of meeting women(probably for the better???) and the better you are at it helps you find that ONE SPECIAL person easier. The only thing is that it only helps to a certain point.
I’m just creating some thoughts here to be discussed. Feel free to take this in any direction you would like. I’m trying to stay away from the personality portion of PUA like cocky-funny, because that works for life if used properly.
I feel like you’re assuming that there is only “one special” person. Which that in itself…sets you up in a “lack” state of mind. I think it’s untrue that there is only one out there for anybody. David D and others and my own 34 years of life experience tell me that just isn’t the case. There are many “the ones” out there first of all.
Second, I disagree that being a better man and being a PUA are different. They are mutually connected. Being a better man, by definition makes you better at picking up women. Now what you do with those women, is up to you as in..just screwing them and leaving or committing to a LTR or…dating multiple at once, btu whatever the case…PUA is the ladder which helps you climb the tree, so to speak.
Also, saying you’re gonna stay away from cocky-funny…is like someone saying…Oh I’m gonna stay away from having interesting conversation…why? Use every thing you can , every card you have …why keep one arm behind your back in a fist fight? Use both if you have em!
Also I don’t think mones or PUA techniques are gimmicks. They are tools to get what you want. It’s like a business person saying…yeah I don’t wanna take classes that teach me to market online, that’s just a gimmick. ha! NO…use what you can to get what you want.
What I am saying by “The One” is that you eventually get to a culmination or breaking point where you say this is the best of the best and PUA helps you along those lines aka “Falling in LOve”. The more the merrier!!! If your AWESOME with the ladies THEN you have more options. I’m not talking along the lines as THIS IS THE ONLY ONE FOR ME!!! A Friend of mine got married along these lines…I think his exact words went like this"I can’t do any better!" and they have both cheated on one another since. The “one” is a misnomer and is different than what I was thinking to begin with.
Mones are subconscious signals that communicate information about us, not drugs or mind control devices. Imagine suddenly wearing an expensive tailored suit. Strangers will react to you a certain way, people that already know you will react differently…sometimes with some degree of resistance to you no longer fitting into the box they’ve compartmentalized you in. Consistency and congruence will help make them accept it over time and yes people can become accustomed to the signal in as much as the “wow factor” can fade and they just accept the signal as who you are. If you like the wow factor regular changing up of the signal or mone free breaks can help to prolong it’s effects.
PUA stuff may seem gimicky and yes the word “game” is thrown around quite casually, I suspect because a lot of guys attracted to it are “nerdy” types that can understand it better through the metaphor of playing a game. Some stuff may come off as gimicky, I think this is a problem with presentation from the adherents and guru’s of the product. But take the M3 model. It’s pretty simple facts…you HAVE to open, that’s not a gimick, you cannot get the girl without first starting a conversation.
A2 female to male attraction…you HAVE to get the girl attracted to you. If she’s not you’ll either get blown out or stuck in the friend zone, and that is no gimick. Does it NEED to happen before you show attraction to her? Not especially but it is ideal.
Likewise it’s not a gimick that she won’t sleep with you before she feels comfortable with you…just a plain and simple fact.
Granted colorful characters like Mystery with the fuzzy top hat and goggles might give the impression that it’s all gimicky but it really depends on who you want to attract and what you want them to be attracted to you for.
I advocate learning how to present the best qualities you have in a way that is designed to engage a woman’s interest but those qualities have to be real. You cannot be dishonest or fake. If the qualities that attract women are not present or lacking, then working on developing them is essential. Some men resist the idea of changing who they are to attract women, but life is change, and change is growth. I’m actually working on my own method based on BECOMING the game you throw. (with advocation of pheromones and how to be congruent with those signals included) that’s a total life improvement method.
I see adds for PUA methods that claim that even if you’re unemployed and living in your parents basement at 40, they can teach you how to seduce women. Now first off I think that’s bullshit, but even if it worked I’d never advocate that since it does no good for the women in the long term to hook up with a man like that.
I think it all works for life, once you gain some success with women and know that you have the skills to attract them, your confidence will increase and that is more attractive. Once you realize you have options your tendencies to be a doormat that accepts disrespectful behavior from women out of fear of losing them will fade and you’ll be more assertive which is likewise attractive. Not a gimick, but a part of who you have become via life experiences.
After reading everyone’s comments I forgot what the original question was. I love listening to what you guys say in explanation of “game” and PUA lifestyle or tactics. Having been out of the game, so to speak, for the last 5 or so years I want to give my 2 cents from a different perspective. I started learning about the seduction community around 2000. I had already started my self transformation by reading self improvement books.
Techniques for seduction such as the M3 model just make sense once you realize that it can be applied to all aspects of life. I use the same model for everything from meeting friends to business deals. 10 years later, I’m still cocky funny (usually). I still open. I still attract and comfort. I still mirror and anchor. I even still peacock in my own way. My targets have just changed. You have to realize that what MPUA’s are teaching are basic social skills that take you from being the Omega to the AMOG.
As far as long term effectiveness of mones, I think that one definitely deserves to be discussed. If pheromones are primarily a way of communication, then as long as you continue to communicate the same thing then you should get the same results right? Naturally somethings are going to change. I for one realize that I don’t communicate the same thing to my wife now that I used to communicate when we were newlyweds. I’m glad I found this community to remind me of that.
Also there is a rule that you should know. Whatever a person learns first is the last thing they will unlearn and is the hardest to change. That’s why first impressions are so important. People will fight with you if you provide any information that contradicts what they first learned about someone. It’s much easier to set a good first impression then to change someone’s mind. So if your wife’s first impression of you is a sex ‘god’, then for the most part you will always remain a sex ‘god’. Until you prove her wrong over and over again.
Tish responded to a post sometime recently about that as well. Mone’s are part of the first impression. So if I meet someone while I’m wearing A314 the first time. The next time I see them they will react based on the impression from the A314 whether I am wearing it or not.
Here’s an analogy that I’ve heard time and time again (in various forms) by the more ‘self improvement’ inner game MPUA guys like Xuma, Gambler, AFC Adam, Davey Wygant, Dave D, etc, and it’s DAMN good advice to anyone being negative about the whole PUA concept (or mones, for that matter):
“If you’re an aspiring basketball player, trying to make it to the NBA, which would benefit you more? Just sitting around playing ball in your backyard, or getting trained and learning from someone like Michael Jordan, who is massively successful? And would learning from one of the top players of all time make you ‘fake’? Of course it wouldn’t.”
Same thing with mones, except it’s more of tools: ie using a pair of killer comfy nikes for a ball game instead of using worn out, treadless old shoes.
