Just wondering if anyone here has given pure androsterone a decent run. I couldn’t find much with the old search function, and I am considering grabbing some, because I like to be a bit different . I think I read it is the main phero in instant gent and a134, but is it buffered by the other pheros in those 2 mixes, or increased in effectiveness by the additional ingredients?
I fancy giving it a nice test run, although if the other ingredients in a134 and instant gent are buffers against it, I may reconsider. I don’t want people to think im some insane person when I where it, lol .
I’ve used plain chemset -rone many times to beef up a mix or for homebrew concoctions. For me I need to add a dab of androstenone and nol for best results. You may be different and have the perfect persona and body chemistry in need of a pinch 'o -rone to be complete. Only way to find out is to experiment. Whatever happens the -rone won’t be a waste as you can use to supplement or homebrew. I’ve used it many a time to recreate the magical AE ratio but without the funky sweet cologne scent.
I own a bottle of chemset androsterone. I think it holds the secret to attraction, just need to find a good ratio with cologne. When I wear it I become much more manly and other men either leave the area or become extremely docile. It is like the phenonomena of the african “cichlid” fish where when the alpha fish shows up the other male fish genitalia shrink and they run away and the alpha fish inherits the harem of female fish. The bad part is that the alpha fish comes under the radar of predators and is more likely to be eaten.
I think if you did some searches for wearing pure androsterone, you’d find that most people find it acts as a weakening signal all by itself. It signals beta male, IIRC, unless you add in something to balance it. I have seen a few reports of rone-only producing nice hits though.
Somehow I doubt that! I mean Adrosterone is always been said as the ‘peaceful alpha male’ pheromone. People might not think of you as a threat, but that doesn’t make you seem as a beta IMO… Maybe the people reporting this had another understanding of ‘alpha male’ than me. I remember a guy posting that not starting a fight when someone smiles the wrong way at you, but keeping your cool, he’d see as weak and beta. Starting a fight about every little thing is not alpha in my opinion, but there’s people who think so…
Bubblebob I would happen to agree with you about the alpha male idea… There are slick alpha males which I believe are the true alpha males and then there are knucklehead juicemoney POS alpha males that start fights and beat off to roadhouse all day! The later alpha males are total idiots and really, IMHO, are closer to betas because anyone with any kind of class and intelligence see them as weak for lack of confidence.
Actually those “idiots” you describe are not alphas by any stretch of the imagination. They’re wannabes. You might be afraid of them due to potential bodily harm but nobody will respect and follow them as a leader. A true alpha has high social status due to his position of power and leadership. People want to follow him–no power or threats required.
MHarris said that straight up androsterone does actually make people more likely to walk over you. It gives you a very protective and providing vibe, which people often abuse. here’s a link to the thread - Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men
That’s why it’s normally buffered with -none in most of the products used.
If someone has a high natural level of -none, straight -rone could be amazing. But it really does boil down to your personal body composition.
Oh freakin’ fishcakes to that. It boils down to the persona you create and your behavior. You’re giving mones way too much credit. Pheromone influence is subtle and suggestive. It’s a friggen edge, not the substance of whom you are. If you get pushed around wearing -rone the problem is you, not what you’re wearing. You and only allow people to take advantage of you.
And, yep, I’m an Asian guy with low levels of androstenone. And chemset androsterone as a standalone is actually pretty effective both socially and professionally. I do prefer it with a dab of NPA, not because anybody “walks over me” without it, but I enjoy the wee bit of underlying sexual tension it suggests. With or without mones it is a rare day anybody flips me shit or tries to push me around.
Hey, I’m just going off the reading. I didn’t say I agree with it or not…
Both -rone and -none have very masculine traits, but in divergent ways.
That’s the basis of the discussion in MHarris’ thread. It’s actually a really solid read, and there are bound to be people who don’t adhere to the examples discussed.
And yet if you simply dismiss the possibility of appearing more of a push over with rone you’re simply dismissing all effects of any pheromone. No one is questioning your personal experience with a perticular pheromone, only stating the possible variables. If that varies from what you’ve experienced that it no reason to dissmiss it.
You obviously have an attitude /set mind against being walk over, as such, even though wearing Rone may result in more people trying to take advantage, your personality kicks in preventing people from being able to and may even go unnoticed as it is your personality and not a forceful attempt to get in someone’s way.
It’s a variable that can’t be dissmissed and pheromones like you mentioned is only and edge. There’s no if and buts that people shouldn’t be push overs or not, only the fact that when attempting to wear rone on it’s own one should go with a determined mind set of keeping control, therefore I believe the comments on Rone is valid and there to keep note of.
Also I think it is good to point out that there are two parts to any pheromone statement i.e. an image and an action. A sense of feeling about a perticular person which may be more manly, agressive, friendly, a push over, dominate, sexy etc.. etc… Those are images and neither one of them gurantees an action based upon the image percieved. Therefore looking like a push over doesn’t mean people actually take advantage of you - I like to personally believe that the majority of women are nice people afterall, so unless you been asking women if you look like a push over while wearing Rone alone… However, throw that varable at someone who is a push over to women who are happy to walk over them you throw in that edge of attraction i.e. bringin these two parties together and you also increase the chances of an action from the women perciving him as a push over.
I have a different perspective this. Pheromones do not operate in a vacuum, isolated form human activity and culture. Pheromones don’t have a precise message as their meaning and function changes according to context. In fact, out of context, mones mean nothing. And, unlike insect and lower mammals, the human brain usually ignores out of context mone messages.
My experience is you control the direction and outcome of the mones you wear with your persona. Hell, you can appear extremely alpha with a couple rolls of SOE. And, although mostly nol and a little rone, the SOE still helps amps you up. Mones are fairly flexible and the message they enhance can be bent and shaped according to your will. For example, you can apply all the A314 and NPA you want to a passive wallflower (or a mannequin for that matter), and yet nothing will happen. Or apply them to negative loser and the outcome is even worse (repelling bad vibe). For the mones to be activated they need an appropriate context. You have to live the alpha role in order for these mones to enhance your alpha status.
I was under the impression that pure androsterone signaled “daddy”, the middle aged domesticated male who would take care of a woman and be a family man, and pure androsterone signaled the aggressive jerk who would fuck 'em and leave 'em, while kicking some ass and being rude.
In that context, you’ll tend to get girls who are “daddy’s girls” responding well to rone by itself, but it suggests to them that you’re the one to marry and cheat on in the long run, while the androstenone guy is the one she would cheat on you with. Sorta like stable and boring, versus dangerous and exciting.
I like to mix them at a ratio of 4 rone to 5 none. That gives a slightly edgy result, but says man in two ways and overall seems to be much more attractive.
. I think I read it is the main phero in instant gent and a134, but is it buffered by the other pheros in those 2 mixes, or increased in effectiveness by the additional ingredients?
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